Re: [X2Go-User] stale dated gnupg key

[Stefan Baur]

Sigh, this is wrong on so many levels, I don't know where to start.

To everyone that has replied in this thread, even with encouraging and
positive replies towards the administration, please stop.  Your
emotional support is appreciated, but let's cut down the chatter, please.

Am 12.06.2018 um 04:11 schrieb o1bigtenor:
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Stefan Baur  wrote:
>> Am 11.06.2018 um 23:04 schrieb o1bigtenor:
>> [pretty much the same message sent to X2Go-User two times earlier today,
>> now a third time, and also as cross-post to X2Go-Dev]
>>
>> Please, do not post the same message more than once (even with slightly
>> different subject/wording), DO NOT CrOSS-POST, and especially, NEVER
>> CROSS-POST WITHOUT SETTING A REPLY-TO to *one* of the lists or your
>> personal E-Mail Address.
> 
> Am I allowed to yell my response to you?

No.  For the very simple reason that now you don't get to say anything
on this list any more until you prove you can behave yourself.

Congratulations, out of a three-digit subscriber number, you are one of
two individuals that have the "moderated" flag set to their accounts.

Since you decided to continue your petty bickering even after I have
told you to behave, and others have told you to chill, you're leaving me
with no other choice than to take such drastic action.

Note that this will turn into a permanent ban if you attempt to harass
me or anyone else on this list regarding this decision or their comments
in this thread.


> Your final comment would be more applicable if there were direction that this
> was a requirement someplace besides in the first bellowed response

Bull-Crap.
Crossposting is frowned upon *everywhere*.  This is part of basic
netiquette, so there's no need to list it explicitly.  In case you're
American, this might come as a shock to you, but sane people don't need
an "objects in the rear view mirror are closer than they may appear"
warning etched into their rear view mirrors, or warnings on their coffee
cups that they may contain a hot liquid - it's just common sense to them.
Heck, even the first paragraph when you look up "crossposting" on
Wikipedia  warns you:
"Enforcement actions against crossposting individuals vary from simple
admonishments up to total lifetime bans."


> (which is 'only'
> a complaint and not really a response as it offers no information nor advice).

Yes, because my main task here at the moment is List Admin, and I needed
to stop you from doing what you did, fast, because your behavior is
perceived as annoying by the other subscribers.
We can always take care of your technical issues later, after order on
the list has been restored.


> I sent the first message before I subscribed to the list. That resulted in an
> automated response that indicated a listadmin would need to deal with it. I
> then subscribed to the list and as no communication from a listadmin had
> happened assumed that the list was/is quite quiescent so sent the first email
> as a list member.

You did not read the message (or well, maybe you read it, but you failed
to understand the content of it) you were sent upon posting while you
hadn't subscribed yet.

Let me quote from it:
> Due to the GDPR (), we are forced to hold back
> your message until you subscribe to our mailing list X2Go-User, as we
> need you to agree to the terms below.  Again, you NEED to subscribe,
> else we CANNOT allow your posting to go through.
> You DO NOT NEED to RE-POST it after subscribing - we'll manually allow
> your message through once you have subscribed (this manuall process may
> take a while, though).  However, *if you are in a hurry* and don't want
> to wait for this to happen, FIRST cancel your original message using the
> link above, THEN subscribe to the list, and FINALLY re-post your message.


Your message was sent on
Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:25:00 +0200 (CEST)
And you subscribed by 17:26.
On
Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:54:17 +0200
your message was admitted to the list, because me or another list admin
saw you had subscribed.

To reiterate: That's less than 90 minutes between post and admission.
And you're complaining we, as volunteers, are not acting fast enough.
Hello?  Do you have any idea what a 90 minute response time would cost
you with any kind of commercial support?  And you expect it for free?

Had you been in a hurry, then you should have proceeded as explained in
the above message: cancel, subscribe, re-post.

You decided not to cancel, but to subscribe AND re-post - even though
this message was admitted to the list (and you should have received a
copy, since you had subscribed since)

This re-post happened at
Mon, 11 Jun 2018 22:33:32 +0200 (CEST)
Which was then automatically cleared on
Mon, 11 Jun 2018 22:39:58 +0200

Then, at Mon, 11 Jun 2018 23:04:56 +0200 (CEST), you cross-posted the
third message, which was automatically cleared on both lists
Mon, 11 Jun 2018 23:15:28 +0200
(since you had 

Re: [X2Go-User] stale dated gnupg key

[Steve Schlaifer]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 09:44:29AM -0400, Paul Borowicz wrote:
> Chill dude, reminding people to be polite and managing expectations is a
> good thing.

Indeed, somebody (or a small group) are producing a very useful piece of
software for the joy of doing it and are providing it at no cost.  Be
grateful for it.  When they say you can hire somebody to help you if you
have a shorter time frame for fixes than they can provide, just accept
that they have a life and may not be able to repond immediately and
they've suggested a path that you can take that provides more immediate
help.

> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 10:12 PM o1bigtenor  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Stefan Baur 
> > wrote:
> > > Am 11.06.2018 um 23:04 schrieb o1bigtenor:
> > > [pretty much the same message sent to X2Go-User two times earlier today,
> > > now a third time, and also as cross-post to X2Go-Dev]
> > >
> > > Please, do not post the same message more than once (even with slightly
> > > different subject/wording), DO NOT CrOSS-POST, and especially, NEVER
> > > CROSS-POST WITHOUT SETTING A REPLY-TO to *one* of the lists or your
> > > personal E-Mail Address.
> >
> > Am I allowed to yell my response to you?
> >
> > Your final comment would be more applicable if there were direction that
> > this
> > was a requirement someplace besides in the first bellowed response
> > (which is 'only'
> > a complaint and not really a response as it offers no information nor
> > advice).
> >
> > I sent the first message before I subscribed to the list. That resulted in
> > an
> > automated response that indicated a listadmin would need to deal with it. I
> > then subscribed to the list and as no communication from a listadmin had
> > happened assumed that the list was/is quite quiescent so sent the first
> > email
> > as a list member. Then after a not small amount of time and with more than
> > some
> > effort I was able to find some of the problem so at that point I forwarded
> > that
> > information to both the user list, that which purports to help users,
> > and the dev
> > list so that the dev team might actually find out that their project was
> > quite
> > withering on the vine as it were. I am sorry that you feel so insulted but
> > imo
> > your response is quite over the top - - - especially as this issue is
> > not exactly new.
> > >
> > > This is a volunteer project, so please allow for some time until people
> > > reply to your message.
> > > If you are in urgent need of support, we suggest contracting one of the
> > > companies on the "Professional Support" wiki page:
> > > 
> >
> > This final part of your message is showing that this 'volunteer' project is
> > actually being pushed into becoming a for-profit project. It seems that
> > any question to the list has this clause added - - - why?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Dee
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Re: [X2Go-User] stale dated gnupg key

[o1bigtenor]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:44 AM, Paul Borowicz  wrote:
> Chill dude, reminding people to be polite and managing expectations is a
> good thing.
>

I didn't have a problem with a reminder to be polite but when someone
is yelling it you
- - - well they deserve to have their ears boxed!

As far as cross posting - - - well I had been subscribed to the dev
list - - - it gets
almost no traffic so thought to post to the user list. I wasn't a
member there when
I sent the first message. Got the automated response that says it will
take direct
intervention for  the message to post. Then I signed up for the user
list and to make sure
that the message would hit the list (listadmins sometimes take weeks
to review stuff
on lists where traffic is low in my experience!) I sent the first
message to the list
directly. Then I spent a fair amount of time and figured out the first
part of the problem
which would take less than 5 minutes for someone on the dev team to
fix (renew the public
key) and thought to send that to both the user and the dev list as
they are two separate
things - - - this message to make things easier - - - - then I get
yelled at for 'cross posting'
and told to take urgent requests with a crap load of $ to the support
team - - - and this
is open source - - - - hmm - -- - something is wrong with this picture
and your chiming in to beat on the rather dead horse isn't really
helping anything.

The response from the dev team will show how much they believe in their project.

Regards

Dee
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Re: [X2Go-User] stale dated gnupg key

[Paul Borowicz]

Chill dude, reminding people to be polite and managing expectations is a
good thing.

Paul

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 10:12 PM o1bigtenor  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Stefan Baur 
> wrote:
> > Am 11.06.2018 um 23:04 schrieb o1bigtenor:
> > [pretty much the same message sent to X2Go-User two times earlier today,
> > now a third time, and also as cross-post to X2Go-Dev]
> >
> > Please, do not post the same message more than once (even with slightly
> > different subject/wording), DO NOT CrOSS-POST, and especially, NEVER
> > CROSS-POST WITHOUT SETTING A REPLY-TO to *one* of the lists or your
> > personal E-Mail Address.
>
> Am I allowed to yell my response to you?
>
> Your final comment would be more applicable if there were direction that
> this
> was a requirement someplace besides in the first bellowed response
> (which is 'only'
> a complaint and not really a response as it offers no information nor
> advice).
>
> I sent the first message before I subscribed to the list. That resulted in
> an
> automated response that indicated a listadmin would need to deal with it. I
> then subscribed to the list and as no communication from a listadmin had
> happened assumed that the list was/is quite quiescent so sent the first
> email
> as a list member. Then after a not small amount of time and with more than
> some
> effort I was able to find some of the problem so at that point I forwarded
> that
> information to both the user list, that which purports to help users,
> and the dev
> list so that the dev team might actually find out that their project was
> quite
> withering on the vine as it were. I am sorry that you feel so insulted but
> imo
> your response is quite over the top - - - especially as this issue is
> not exactly new.
> >
> > This is a volunteer project, so please allow for some time until people
> > reply to your message.
> > If you are in urgent need of support, we suggest contracting one of the
> > companies on the "Professional Support" wiki page:
> > 
>
> This final part of your message is showing that this 'volunteer' project is
> actually being pushed into becoming a for-profit project. It seems that
> any question to the list has this clause added - - - why?
>
> Regards
>
> Dee
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Re: [X2Go-User] stale dated gnupg key

[o1bigtenor]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Stefan Baur  wrote:
> Am 11.06.2018 um 23:04 schrieb o1bigtenor:
> [pretty much the same message sent to X2Go-User two times earlier today,
> now a third time, and also as cross-post to X2Go-Dev]
>
> Please, do not post the same message more than once (even with slightly
> different subject/wording), DO NOT CrOSS-POST, and especially, NEVER
> CROSS-POST WITHOUT SETTING A REPLY-TO to *one* of the lists or your
> personal E-Mail Address.

Am I allowed to yell my response to you?

Your final comment would be more applicable if there were direction that this
was a requirement someplace besides in the first bellowed response
(which is 'only'
a complaint and not really a response as it offers no information nor advice).

I sent the first message before I subscribed to the list. That resulted in an
automated response that indicated a listadmin would need to deal with it. I
then subscribed to the list and as no communication from a listadmin had
happened assumed that the list was/is quite quiescent so sent the first email
as a list member. Then after a not small amount of time and with more than some
effort I was able to find some of the problem so at that point I forwarded that
information to both the user list, that which purports to help users,
and the dev
list so that the dev team might actually find out that their project was quite
withering on the vine as it were. I am sorry that you feel so insulted but imo
your response is quite over the top - - - especially as this issue is
not exactly new.
>
> This is a volunteer project, so please allow for some time until people
> reply to your message.
> If you are in urgent need of support, we suggest contracting one of the
> companies on the "Professional Support" wiki page:
> 

This final part of your message is showing that this 'volunteer' project is
actually being pushed into becoming a for-profit project. It seems that
any question to the list has this clause added - - - why?

Regards

Dee
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Re: [X2Go-User] stale dated gnupg key

[Stefan Baur]

Am 11.06.2018 um 23:04 schrieb o1bigtenor:
[pretty much the same message sent to X2Go-User two times earlier today,
now a third time, and also as cross-post to X2Go-Dev]

Please, do not post the same message more than once (even with slightly
different subject/wording), DO NOT CrOSS-POST, and especially, NEVER
CROSS-POST WITHOUT SETTING A REPLY-TO to *one* of the lists or your
personal E-Mail Address.

This is a volunteer project, so please allow for some time until people
reply to your message.
If you are in urgent need of support, we suggest contracting one of the
companies on the "Professional Support" wiki page:


Kind Regards,

Stefan Baur, one of X2Go's listadmins

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[X2Go-User] stale dated gnupg key

[o1bigtenor]

Greetings

I had successfully installed, and have been using x2go for some time
(useful software when one has a number of computers to run!). Wanted
to install x2goserver on another machine and was running into a number
of issues. I believe I have been able to unravel the problem enough to
find at least one of the roots of not being able to install even when
following the steps published in the wiki.

My install was failing when I tried to install the apt-key and by lots
of poking and some sideways thinking I have found the issue.

Looking in the system where x2go is working happily in
/etc/apt/trusted/gpg I find that the key is liked with the following
information:

pub   rsa2048 2011-03-10 [SC]
  972F D88F A0BA FB57 8D04  76DF E1F9 5838 5BFE 2B6E
uid   [ unknown] X2go Debian/Ubuntu Packaging 
sub   rsa2048 2011-03-10 [E]

what is interesting is that of the 12 keys listed (likely not that
many compared to possibilities) the x2go key is only rsa2048 which
might be sufficient but its also listed as 2011-03-10 [E] which I
interpret to mean that the key was generated on the date 2011-03-10
but I'm thinking the [E] means that its expired.

As renewing the key is not something that I can do as a user I am
requesting that someone with the capabilities of modifying the code
might please renew and/or refresh the gnupg key and also inform users
of the new key (I am assuming that the key would change with
renewal/update). Given the rights to do so I would be more than happy
to modify the wiki to reflect that new apt-key code.

Thanking in advance those doing this - - -

(please advise if (including the how) the wiki is to be updated by myself)

Dee
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