Re: [Xastir] Validation Code for APRS IS

[Eric Christensen]

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Thanks a bunch!  That was easy!

73s,
Eric W4OTN



Bob Nielsen wrote:
> Run the "callpass" program (which should have been compiled and
> installed along with xastir.
> 
> Syntax:  callpass 
> 
> Bob, N7XY
> 
> On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:05 PM, Eric Christensen wrote:
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>> I forget how to do this...  I just setup Xastir on my shiny new computer
>> (running Fedora 7 x64, btw) and I need to get a validation code for my
>> callsign (W4OTN).  Where do I get this from?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric W4OTN
>>
> 
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Re: [Xastir] Validation Code for APRS IS

[Tom Russo]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 12:05:10AM -0400, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
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> I forget how to do this...  I just setup Xastir on my shiny new computer
> (running Fedora 7 x64, btw) and I need to get a validation code for my
> callsign (W4OTN).  Where do I get this from?

Use the "callpass" program.
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Re: [Xastir] Validation Code for APRS IS

[Bob Nielsen]

Run the "callpass" program (which should have been compiled and  
installed along with xastir.


Syntax:  callpass 

Bob, N7XY

On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:05 PM, Eric Christensen wrote:


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I forget how to do this...  I just setup Xastir on my shiny new  
computer

(running Fedora 7 x64, btw) and I need to get a validation code for my
callsign (W4OTN).  Where do I get this from?

Thanks,
Eric W4OTN



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[Xastir] Validation Code for APRS IS

[Eric Christensen]

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I forget how to do this...  I just setup Xastir on my shiny new computer
(running Fedora 7 x64, btw) and I need to get a validation code for my
callsign (W4OTN).  Where do I get this from?

Thanks,
Eric W4OTN

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[Xastir] Xastir 1.9.0 runs on OpenBSD4.1

[Greg d'Entremont]

Hi All,
 
I'm sending a note to say that I was able compile and run Xastir 1.9.0 on the 
OpenBSD 4.1 OS.
 
I started by installing a fresh OpenBSD4.1 in VMWare.  This install had all the 
standard OpenBSD packages offered during the initial install, except for the 
"games".
 
The initial "configure" needed Xm/Xm.h, which I solved by installing 
openmotif-2.1.30.5p2.
 
Then the configure, make, make install process worked fine, and I was able to 
launch Xastir from an xterm window.
 
73s,
 
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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Earl Needham]

At 02:40 PM 7/19/2007, Curt, WE7U wrote:

That said, there's no reason not to approach him and ask him what's
up with the possible fees.  There may be none or they may be low
enough that it's a don't care.  Or:  They may be high and then legal
advice might be necessary to figure out what's possible.


I'm pretty much a pack rat -- here's the SECOND paragraph of 
commercl.txt from the zip file I downloaded on 1/17/99:



COMMERCIAL VERSIONS OF APRS ARE AVAILABLE and we can engineer specific
needs and applications.  Pricing is $295 for the first dispatcher
copy of APRS which includes up to 10 mobiles.  Additional copies of
APRS are deeply discounted.  $195 for the second copy and $95 for the
third.  Additional mobiles begin at $25 and are similarly discounted
for large quantities.  Additional copies of APRS for mobiles with PC's are
significantly less.  Two significant enhancements for the dispatcher are
the OPTIONAL data interfaces so that APRS CAN SEND POSITS TO OTHER SOFTWARE
PACKAGES.  Some of these other packages can zoom into the individual street
address and access other data bases for dispatching of fleet vehicles.
There are currently two such interfaces:


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Re: [Xastir] Screen Resolution problem

[Earl Needham]

At 02:07 PM 7/19/2007, Curt, WE7U wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Earl Needham wrote:

I doubt it's Xastir.  Xastir doesn't do anything related to changing
screen resolution.

Is there a chance you're hitting + or -

As I recall those are the commands to the X-server to change to the
next resolution you have defined.  Perhaps your X11 has a different
set of commands though.


No, it only happens on a reboot.

I searched on the internet and found some common problems 
having to do with missing lines for vertical and horizontal specs for 
monitors.  Currently, I have added the lines and it seems to be 
running well, but I'll give it a few days before I trust it again.


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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Curt, WE7U]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Gerry Creager wrote:

> As I recall, there was approximately one station reporting "problems"
> associated with the OpenTrak incident in question.  The lack of
> reproducibility suggests that the null hypothesis was rejected.

Another data point:  I ran a dual OpenTrac/APRS transmitter from my
Jeep for something like 1.5 years or so, with no complaints.  This
is a high-use APRS area:  Puget Sound which includes Seattle/
Tacoma/ Vancouver(BC)/ Victoria(BC).

In fact, I think only one guy noticed that I was sending OpenTrac
packets at all.  He's on this SIG and noticed additional "stuff" in
Xastir's "Station Info" dialog for my station...

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Curt, WE7U]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Lance Cotton wrote:

> Well, I think we ended up doing a little survey and found zero APRS
> programs that didn't check PID, right?

More than likely, but there's always the possibility that we missed
one or two, or that new programs may forget to check the PID byte.


> It's hard to remember -- my wife
> found a gray hair in my head last week!

If you need any more, let me know.

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Gerry Creager]

Curt, WE7U wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, J. Lance Cotton wrote:





Oh, I thought you already did!  hi hi



There's no possible way that OpenTRAC could interfere with APRS any more
than APRS interferes with other APRS operation.


I disagree with that statement, but only slightly.  There's no way a
"properly coded" APRS program would be bothered by OpenTrac.  Some
of the programs might try to decode packets that used a different
protocol ID than APRS, for instance if they had KISS TNC capability
they might see TCP/IP packets and OpenTrac packets and try to decode
them as APRS.  The program in this case _should_ filter out anything
that's not the APRS protocol ID, but some may not.


As I recall, there was approximately one station reporting "problems" 
associated with the OpenTrak incident in question.  The lack of 
reproducibility suggests that the null hypothesis was rejected.



Your post was on topic BTW.  At least as far as I'm concerned.


I certainly don't think it rated a  tag with attribution.

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Lance Cotton]

Curt, WE7U wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, J. Lance Cotton wrote:



There's no possible way that OpenTRAC could interfere with APRS any more
than APRS interferes with other APRS operation.


I disagree with that statement, but only slightly.  There's no way a
"properly coded" APRS program would be bothered by OpenTrac.  Some
of the programs might try to decode packets that used a different
protocol ID than APRS, for instance if they had KISS TNC capability
they might see TCP/IP packets and OpenTrac packets and try to decode
them as APRS.  The program in this case _should_ filter out anything
that's not the APRS protocol ID, but some may not.


Well, I think we ended up doing a little survey and found zero APRS 
programs that didn't check PID, right? It's hard to remember -- my wife 
found a gray hair in my head last week!


-Lance KJ5O

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Curt, WE7U]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, J. Lance Cotton wrote:

> 

Oh, I thought you already did!  hi hi


> There's no possible way that OpenTRAC could interfere with APRS any more
> than APRS interferes with other APRS operation.

I disagree with that statement, but only slightly.  There's no way a
"properly coded" APRS program would be bothered by OpenTrac.  Some
of the programs might try to decode packets that used a different
protocol ID than APRS, for instance if they had KISS TNC capability
they might see TCP/IP packets and OpenTrac packets and try to decode
them as APRS.  The program in this case _should_ filter out anything
that's not the APRS protocol ID, but some may not.

Your post was on topic BTW.  At least as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[J. Lance Cotton]

on 7/19/2007 3:40 PM Curt, WE7U said the following:
> I've always heard that you can't protect a protocol, but IANAL.

The typical way of protecting (in some sense) a protocol or standard is to
aggressively protect the copyright of the specification document. The actual
grouping of bits or whatnot that come about in the actual operation of an
electronic protocol or standard cannot be trademarked, copyrighted, or
patented, as far as I am aware.

But any creative "work" can be copyrighted and in fact is automatically
protected by U.S. copyright law upon its creation.

In the case of APRS, the only things Bob can legally protect are:

1) The trademark "APRS" and "APRS - (Amateur|Automatic) (Position|Packet)
Reporting Service"

2) The APRS Spec 1.0 and 1.1, though since those were created by a
committee, I don't know if Bob has exclusive rights to copy that document or
what.

A person *could* create a specification document (of original,
non-plagiarized information) that described a protocol compatible with APRS
and could give it a name other than APRS and it would be perfectly legal,
even if it would upset some folks.


Recall on APRSSIG the fluff when someone proposed/introduced/mentioned Scott
Miller's OpenTRAC protocol, which conveys much of the same information as
APRS, only organized and regularized a bit differently from APRS. The
central issue (with Bob) was that a different "protocol" would interfere
with APRS if used on the same frequency. The truth is that in the FCC's
eyes, APRS and OpenTRAC are both 20kHz (or thereabouts) wide AFSK FM
modulated data with carrier-sense method of collision avoidance. Even beyond
that minimal commonality, both APRS and OpenTRAC use identical (OSI Model)
Level 2/3 protocol of AX.25 on the air.

There's no possible way that OpenTRAC could interfere with APRS any more
than APRS interferes with other APRS operation.

In the end, it came out that Bob was worried that if people started using
OpenTRAC on 144.39 MHz, then folks using APRS-only programs might not see
all symbols on their screen that the packet-braaaping on the air would indicate.

Note: I don't hate Bob B. or APRS or anything or anyone else. I just get
annoyed by illogical arguments. Live long and prosper \V/



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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[James Ewen]

On 7/19/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I've always heard that you can't protect a protocol, but IANAL.


If you have enough money you can protect whatever you want...

http://www.sbszoo.com/irlp/

When we put together the local IRLP link, I created a "fun" logo to
put on the box. Within 6 months the Intel lawyers were threatening to
sue for trademark infringement. We had to cease and desist from using
the logo, and we also were not able to use the phrase " inside",
where  was any word.

Some people have no sense of humor.

James
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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Curt, WE7U]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Gerry Creager wrote:

> Xastir's use of the protocols is well established and without dissent.
>  From Bob or any of the other developers.  In fact, no one has
> complained when anyone wanted to come up with another implementation.

Hmmm.  I can recall when Xastir was the bastard child of the whole
APRS scene and we had to struggle hard to compete with the true-blue
licensees.  It hasn't always been roses, but has been for quite some
time now.

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Curt, WE7U]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, James Ewen wrote:

> Does Xastir get around the license for reception because the software
> is not for sale, or did someone purchase a license? I would guess that
> if Xastir purchased a license somewhere along the way, that it would
> probably go against the GPL license...

Bob granted us a license.


> Uh-oh... sounds like the lid just popped off a can of worms.

Not really.  I've seen this sort of discussion again and again.  My
take on it is that you can't protect the protocol.  He can certainly
protect his trademark and his software.

That said, there's no reason not to approach him and ask him what's
up with the possible fees.  There may be none or they may be low
enough that it's a don't care.  Or:  They may be high and then legal
advice might be necessary to figure out what's possible.

I've always heard that you can't protect a protocol, but IANAL.

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Gerry Creager]

Xastir's use of the protocols is well established and without dissent. 
From Bob or any of the other developers.  In fact, no one has 
complained when anyone wanted to come up with another implementation. 
Bob also didn't charge me when I used APRS-DOS (pre-Xastir) to track cows...


gerry

James Ewen wrote:

On 7/19/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Jason Winningham wrote:

>
> On Jul 19, 2007, at 2:20 PM, James Ewen wrote:
>
> > Plus APRS is available for no fee to the amateur radio community, but
> > you need to talk to Bob Bruninga about licensing it for commercial
> > use.
>
> I thought that was for the application APRS-DOS, not the protocol
> itself?

That's my take on it too Jason.



From :


http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/APRS-docs/COMMERCL.TXT

COPYRIGHT 1993,94,95,96,97:  The APRS formats originated for use in the
amateur radio service.  Anyone is encouraged to apply the APRS formats in
the TRANSMISSION of position, weather, and status packets.  However, the
author reserves the ownership of these protocols for exclusive commercial
application and for all reception and plotting applications.  Other
software engineers desiring to include APRS RECEPTION in their software
for sale within or outside of the amateur community will require a license
from the author.  (very reasonably priced)


The wording is poor, but the intent is pretty clear... Bob reserves
ownership of the protocol for commercial use. Not just the program he
wrote to encode/decode the protocol, but the actual APRS protocol.

Does Xastir get around the license for reception because the software
is not for sale, or did someone purchase a license? I would guess that
if Xastir purchased a license somewhere along the way, that it would
probably go against the GPL license...

Uh-oh... sounds like the lid just popped off a can of worms.

James
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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[James Ewen]

On 7/19/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Jason Winningham wrote:

>
> On Jul 19, 2007, at 2:20 PM, James Ewen wrote:
>
> > Plus APRS is available for no fee to the amateur radio community, but
> > you need to talk to Bob Bruninga about licensing it for commercial
> > use.
>
> I thought that was for the application APRS-DOS, not the protocol
> itself?

That's my take on it too Jason.



From :


http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/APRS-docs/COMMERCL.TXT

COPYRIGHT 1993,94,95,96,97:  The APRS formats originated for use in the
amateur radio service.  Anyone is encouraged to apply the APRS formats in
the TRANSMISSION of position, weather, and status packets.  However, the
author reserves the ownership of these protocols for exclusive commercial
application and for all reception and plotting applications.  Other
software engineers desiring to include APRS RECEPTION in their software
for sale within or outside of the amateur community will require a license
from the author.  (very reasonably priced)


The wording is poor, but the intent is pretty clear... Bob reserves
ownership of the protocol for commercial use. Not just the program he
wrote to encode/decode the protocol, but the actual APRS protocol.

Does Xastir get around the license for reception because the software
is not for sale, or did someone purchase a license? I would guess that
if Xastir purchased a license somewhere along the way, that it would
probably go against the GPL license...

Uh-oh... sounds like the lid just popped off a can of worms.

James
VE6SRV
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RE: [Xastir] Bad iGate messages being passed thru server port?

[Curt, WE7U]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Mike Loebl wrote:

>   No luck there either... looking closer it almost looks like it's
> actually some extra cr/lf preceding the missing characters, but not quite
> sure if this is coming across well due to email auto-formatting, this is
> localhost telnet on the server:

FWIW:  Xastir sends a CRLF after each packet it sends to the
internet, which appears to be the "standard", although I don't think
the standard was ever written down.

Perhaps there are other programs out there that add just a CR or
just an LF on the end when they igate.

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Re: [Xastir] Screen Resolution problem

[Curt, WE7U]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Earl Needham wrote:

>  I've just spent the last 24 hours fighting a screen
> resolution problem.  I'm frustrated, angry, and trying not to vent on
> either of these mailing lists.  I even though it was fixed for a
> while, and then it returned.  At one point, I lost my xorg.conf file
> and not knowing what else to do, I reloaded Kubuntu 7.04 from
> scratch.  Seemed to work fine, until just now, when the screen went
> back to 640 X 480 and again, any larger resolution than this is
> totally distorted and not usable.  I'm starting to wonder if Xastir
> might not be what's causing this, but it's just speculation.

I doubt it's Xastir.  Xastir doesn't do anything related to changing
screen resolution.

Is there a chance you're hitting + or -

As I recall those are the commands to the X-server to change to the
next resolution you have defined.  Perhaps your X11 has a different
set of commands though.

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Curt, WE7U]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Jason Winningham wrote:

>
> On Jul 19, 2007, at 2:20 PM, James Ewen wrote:
>
> > Plus APRS is available for no fee to the amateur radio community, but
> > you need to talk to Bob Bruninga about licensing it for commercial
> > use.
>
> I thought that was for the application APRS-DOS, not the protocol
> itself?

That's my take on it too Jason.


> If that gets to be a problem, switch to the OpenTrac protocol.

Which is only available on OpenTracker 1's, not on the 1+ or the
Tracker2 yet I don't believe.  You can't buy opentracker-1's
anymore.

Xastir supports both protocols, but is receive-only for OpenTrac
protocol (we can't transmit it yet).  Xastir is under the GPL
license and so requires no fee, whatever frequency you use it on.

Tom had it right on as far as the commercial licenses.  I'm in SAR
and have investigated this myself for my county.  We cannot
currently use APRS on our SAR frequencies.  We'd have to ammend our
licenses.

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Re: [Xastir] Success with shapefiles!!!

[Curt, WE7U]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Gerry Creager wrote:

> Neither ArcGIS nor ArcView stores color information in the shapefiles
> directly.
>
> As has already been pointed out: dbfawk.

Ain't maps fun?

Shapefiles are a wonderful vector file format, capable of being used
by a LOT of the GIS programs and mapping programs, so it makes a
good interchange format between them sometimes.  Their downfall is
that attributes are not stored in them, or defined by the ESRI
Shapefile spec.  For this reason things like line widths, colors,
etc. are done differently by each GIS program.  Each shapefile has
an associated database file that _can_ have attributes in it, but
the type/number/order of these attributes is entirely undefined by
the spec.

Enter dbfawk:  An awk-like language for describing which columns to
use from the DBF file and how to use them.  Dbfawk is
Xastir-specific.

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Jason Winningham]

On Jul 19, 2007, at 2:20 PM, James Ewen wrote:


Plus APRS is available for no fee to the amateur radio community, but
you need to talk to Bob Bruninga about licensing it for commercial
use.


I thought that was for the application APRS-DOS, not the protocol  
itself?


If that gets to be a problem, switch to the OpenTrac protocol.

-Jason
kg4wsv


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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[James Ewen]

On 7/19/07, Tom Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Getting a new license with data emissions permitted will
take quite some time (6 months or so turnaround in my experience to get
a public safety pool license application through the system).


Plus APRS is available for no fee to the amateur radio community, but
you need to talk to Bob Bruninga about licensing it for commercial
use.

Play in the amateur world for free to do an proof of concept ideas...

James
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Re: [Xastir] Success with shapefiles!!!

[Gerry Creager]

Neither ArcGIS nor ArcView stores color information in the shapefiles 
directly.


As has already been pointed out: dbfawk.

gerry

Jim Tolbert wrote:
I received the shapefiles ( from ESRI) from the local County Surveyor's 
office yesterday and Xastir read them right in!!  It is beautiful.


The map tech thought that all the colors, symbols, and road names were 
included in the files.  When I loaded them in, the only filled layer was 
the lakes and the fill was fushia.  All the roads were black.  All the 
building locations were red Xs.  No road names were visible at any zoom 
level.


For each category of object ( lakes, roads, buildings, driveways), she 
gave me four files (.dbf, .prj, .shp, and .shx).  I opened the roads  
.dbf file in a spreadsheet and the road labels are there.


The map tech said that on her system, the lakes were blue, each type of 
road was a different color ( 5 types of roads), the building locations 
were round dots, and each road, lake, & river was labeled.  It appears 
that all the options in the map chooser properties and map configure are 
"on".
Does anyone know, can I change colors and symbols and show labels now, 
or is this something that the map tech has to do before she dumps we a 
copy of the maps?  If it is something she should do, does anyone have a 
suggestion as to what to tell her to change from what she did the first 
time?


Many thanx...  jt







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715-349-8993 fax

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Re: [Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Tom Russo]

On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 10:21:26AM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>  I am not Ham literate, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night and 
>  I have ordered the license prep manual
> 
>  I have read that APRS is conducted on 144.39 Hz.  My assumption is that 
>  there is nothing inherent in Xastir that is tied to that frequency, but 
>  rather the frequency is set by the radio.  Is this correct?

Yes.

>  My (extremely limited) understanding of the TNC is that it is not frequency 
>  dependent.  Is this something that most Ham operators would have?

Only those who wish to use packet radio applications.  The TNC is basically
a cross between modem that converts data to sound and a "network interface"
that packetizes the data in an envelope with addressing and routing
information.

>  Are the various tracker gizmos (Open tracker, Tracker2, Mini-Track, etc.) 
>  for a fixed frequency (144.39) or can be function on any frequency?

No.  They are basically TNC substitutes that need to be wired up to a radio.
The MicroTrak has a built-in radio that is on a fixed frequency, though.

>  For proof of concept as inexpensively as possible, I have a laptop running 
>  Xastir and have access to several radios (Motorola HT1250) that are tuned to 
>  Sheriff's, Fire, and EMS frequencies.  If I can find a TNC to borrow (or 
>  worst case buy one) and buy a few of the tracker kits to hook to Sheriff's 
>  radios, I should be able to demo it on an existing channel -- right?

Only if the license for the frequency in question allows data transmissions.
Most public safety pool licenses do *not*, because they were specified as
voice channels when the application was made.  The county would either have
to amend their license for those  frequencies, or apply for a new data
frequency with the emission mode specified.  Check the license (you can use
 to get the details of the license) for the
permitted modes.  Unfortunately, the emissions mode is specified in a funky
code in the FCC database, but "20K0F3E" means "FM voice" for all intents and
purposes.  I believe that FM data would be something like 20K0F1D
(20 KHz bandwidth, FM, Digital, Data, per 
).
  If the license doesn't have an "F1D" emission mode listed for it,
then it ain't legal to do APRS under that license.

Getting a new license with data emissions permitted will
take quite some time (6 months or so turnaround in my experience to get
a public safety pool license application through the system).

If you want a quick demo, you should get with some local hams and set it up.
See if the local ARES group is willing to help.  

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Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1 http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
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[Xastir] Radio frequency question from a simpleton

[Jim Tolbert]

I am not Ham literate, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night 
and I have ordered the license prep manual


I have read that APRS is conducted on 144.39 Hz.  My assumption is that 
there is nothing inherent in Xastir that is tied to that frequency, but 
rather the frequency is set by the radio.  Is this correct?


My (extremely limited) understanding of the TNC is that it is not 
frequency dependent.  Is this something that most Ham operators would have?


Are the various tracker gizmos (Open tracker, Tracker2, Mini-Track, 
etc.) for a fixed frequency (144.39) or can be function on any frequency?


For proof of concept as inexpensively as possible, I have a laptop 
running Xastir and have access to several radios (Motorola HT1250) that 
are tuned to Sheriff's, Fire, and EMS frequencies.  If I can find a TNC 
to borrow (or worst case buy one) and buy a few of the tracker kits to 
hook to Sheriff's radios, I should be able to demo it on an existing 
channel -- right?


All (helpful) suggestions and comments will be gratefully accepted.   :-D

Many thanx... jt

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Re: [Xastir] Success with shapefiles!!!

[Tom Russo]

On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 09:19:08AM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>  I received the shapefiles ( from ESRI) from the local County Surveyor's 
>  office yesterday and Xastir read them right in!!  It is beautiful.
> 
>  The map tech thought that all the colors, symbols, and road names were 
>  included in the files.  When I loaded them in, the only filled layer was the 
>  lakes and the fill was fushia.  All the roads were black.  All the building 
>  locations were red Xs.  No road names were visible at any zoom level.
> 
>  For each category of object ( lakes, roads, buildings, driveways), she gave 
>  me four files (.dbf, .prj, .shp, and .shx).  I opened the roads  .dbf file 
>  in a spreadsheet and the road labels are there.
> 
>  The map tech said that on her system, the lakes were blue, each type of road 
>  was a different color ( 5 types of roads), the building locations were round 
>  dots, and each road, lake, & river was labeled.  It appears that all the 
>  options in the map chooser properties and map configure are "on". 
>  Does anyone know, can I change colors and symbols and show labels now, or is 
>  this something that the map tech has to do before she dumps we a copy of the 
>  maps?  If it is something she should do, does anyone have a suggestion as to 
>  what to tell her to change from what she did the first time?

Xastir does not know automatically what column contains the label and what
column contains the color. --- this differs for every single shapefile, and
the map tech's system must be set up with a configuration that knows what
column to use for the label and which to use for color.

To get it to display properly in Xastir you need to use "dbfawk" to tell 
xastir how to render it.

See the Xastir Wiki's "HowTo:DBFAWK" page.

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Re: [Xastir] Success with shapefiles!!!

[Jason Winningham]

On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Jim Tolbert wrote:


Does anyone know, can I change colors and symbols and show labels now,


You are now ready for the wonderful world of dbfawk writing.  Wiki  
instructions at


http://www.xastir.org/wiki/index.php/HowTo:DBFAWK

The original instructions I used:

http://www.swcp.com/~russo/shape_web/tutorial.html

... and don't forget to look in /usr/local/share/xastir/config for  
examples.


-Jason
kg4wsv


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[Xastir] Screen Resolution problem

[Earl Needham]

I've just spent the last 24 hours fighting a screen 
resolution problem.  I'm frustrated, angry, and trying not to vent on 
either of these mailing lists.  I even though it was fixed for a 
while, and then it returned.  At one point, I lost my xorg.conf file 
and not knowing what else to do, I reloaded Kubuntu 7.04 from 
scratch.  Seemed to work fine, until just now, when the screen went 
back to 640 X 480 and again, any larger resolution than this is 
totally distorted and not usable.  I'm starting to wonder if Xastir 
might not be what's causing this, but it's just speculation.


I'm going to put this on the back burner for a while, just 
so I don't go berserk and throw the laptop out the window at 70 MPH!


But if anybody has seen this before and knows how to fix it, 
I'm all ears.


7 3
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Re: [Xastir] Re: Serial Port (ttyS0) problem

[Tate Belden]

Ah!! You called it.

SE disabled routinely on all my boxen.

Good catch!!
73

Gerry Creager wrote:
That's what you get for enabling SE Linux... I do the ugly method 
without complaint regularly.


gerry

Rodney Baker wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:30:04 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Or you can get *REALLY* barbaric and manually edit /etc/group

Search for the uucp line - add your username to the list.

Originally, it looks like:
uucp:x:14:uucp

Make it look like:
uucp:x:14:uucp,name
Where 'name' is your username.


Not such a good idea - then Fedora complains that /etc/group and 
/etc/gshadow don't match which can totally stuff things up. The same 
thing happens if you manually edit /etc/passwd - the password file and 
the shadow password file get out of sync which can cause 
authentication problems.


When using shadow passwords and groups it is always much safer to use 
the tools provided that keep things properly in sync.


I know - I found out the hard way (by manually editing 
/etc/group...).




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[Xastir] Success with shapefiles!!!

[Jim Tolbert]

I received the shapefiles ( from ESRI) from the local County Surveyor's 
office yesterday and Xastir read them right in!!  It is beautiful.


The map tech thought that all the colors, symbols, and road names were 
included in the files.  When I loaded them in, the only filled layer was 
the lakes and the fill was fushia.  All the roads were black.  All the 
building locations were red Xs.  No road names were visible at any zoom 
level.


For each category of object ( lakes, roads, buildings, driveways), she 
gave me four files (.dbf, .prj, .shp, and .shx).  I opened the roads  
.dbf file in a spreadsheet and the road labels are there.


The map tech said that on her system, the lakes were blue, each type of 
road was a different color ( 5 types of roads), the building locations 
were round dots, and each road, lake, & river was labeled.  It appears 
that all the options in the map chooser properties and map configure are 
"on". 

Does anyone know, can I change colors and symbols and show labels now, 
or is this something that the map tech has to do before she dumps we a 
copy of the maps?  If it is something she should do, does anyone have a 
suggestion as to what to tell her to change from what she did the first 
time?


Many thanx...  jt







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715-349-8993 fax

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RE: [Xastir] Bad iGate messages being passed thru server port?

[Mike Loebl]

Hi Curt,

No luck there either... looking closer it almost looks like it's
actually some extra cr/lf preceding the missing characters, but not quite
sure if this is coming across well due to email auto-formatting, this is
localhost telnet on the server:
-
# Welcome to Xastir's server port, callsign: KB1MTS
# javAPRSSrvr 3.12b12 18 Jul 2007 22:11:54 GMT FIRST 165.91.140.28:14580
# javAPRSSrvr 3.12b12 18 Jul 2007 22:12:14 GMT FIRST 165.91.140.28:14580
KB1ESR-1>TRSU4V,WIDE2-2:'c=l Qk/]"56}

1ESR-1>TRSU4V,WIDE2-2,KB1MTS,I:'c=l Qk/]"56}
# javAPRSSrvr 3.12b12 18 Jul 2007 22:12:34 GMT FIRST 165.91.140.28:14580
KB1ESR-1>ID:KB1ESR/R
N8VIM>APRS:!4240.85N/07133.99W_PHG2230/Pepperell WX station, LT1

VIM>APRS,KB1MTS,I:!4240.85N/07133.99W_PHG2230/Pepperell WX station, LT1
N8VIM>APRS,RELAY:$ULTW02C21481278EFFF18883000103C500C60445000B

VIM>APRS,RELAY,KB1MTS,I:$ULTW02C21481278EFFF18883000103C500C60445000
B
# javAPRSSrvr 3.12b12 18 Jul 2007 22:12:54 GMT FIRST 165.91.140.28:14580
N8VIM>APRS,KB1ESR-1*:$ULTW02C21481278EFFF18883000103C500C60445000B00
00

VIM>APRS,KB1ESR-1*,KB1MTS,I:$ULTW02C21481278EFFF18883000103C500C6044
5000B
-
If I disable RF->Internet igate'ing, it stops so it's definitely related to
igate'ing all of sudden.  I've been running Xastir for almost 1.5 years so
something is different somewhere.  I don't think I've updated anything in
Linux on this box in probably a year other than Xastir thru the versions.

-Mike
KB1MTS


-Original Message-
From: Curt, WE7U [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:17 PM
To: Mike Loebl
Cc: xastir@xastir.org
Subject: Re: [Xastir] Bad iGate messages being passed thru server port?

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Mike Loebl wrote:

>   Thank you for the reply.  I'll have to double check the version when I
get
> home, but I believe it's FC5.  It had been working great up until recently
> (I updated it to one of the Jun builds a couple weeks ago but not sure TBH
> when it started acting up.)  It's also just not the first character
knocked
> off, but also seeing garbage characters as well where it would be some odd
> ASCII non-numeric code, several spaces and then the callsign followed by
the
> rest of the message.  After looking at it a bit yesterday I noticed it was
> intermittent, as well as always on the igated messages and never on the
> incoming message.  In the mean time I rewrote my app to throw out
> bad/invalid callsigns.

Could it be a character-set issue?

Try this:

export LANG=C
telnet localhost 2023

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