from:"Craig"

THIS IS WITH REF TO DETECTION PROBLEM IN MONITOR WHILE
INSTALLING RED HAT LINUX 8.0 ON VIA CHIPSET INTEL 4 MOTHERBOARD. MY 
XWINDOW SESSION IS NOT ABLE TO DETECT ANY OF THE MONITORS. I HAD TRIED 
WITH PROVIEW THEN NOW I M USING WITH MICROTEK SOMEHOW IT REFUSES TO 
DETECT IT. SIR PLS MAIL ME AT U'RE EARLIEST WITH SUGGESTION.
Please post your XFree86 log, your distro version, the output of 
'lspci', and the exact words of any other error messages. Preferably not 
in all capital letters, since it's very hard to read and is considered 
impolite in email.

For you information, re-posting an identical copy of a question is also 
considered rather impolite, and may cause people who were otherwise 
going to reply to your message when they got a chance to ignore you 
instead. If they haven't answered the first time, then they haven't yet 
seen the message, haven't the time to answer, don't know the answer, 
etc. For example, I haven't read my mail in 3 days (for once!) so I only 
just saw your messages.

Reading over your post again, it looks like this is an issue with 
installation, rather than running XFree86. If so, this is the wrong 
place to ask - try a local Linux user group or your distro's support 
offerings. Here are a few ideas to get you started: It doesn't really 
matter if the installer can detect your monitor or not. Just select a 
suitable generic type - most of the installers have reasonable values 
for 'generic 17 ', etc.  Alternately, if it's not correctly identifying 
your video card, you may be able to get it to work by specifying the 
'vesa' driver instead.

Craig Ringer

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Re: [XFree86] Help ... Help

I am getting following error message during installation of ORACLE9i on 
Redhat Linux 7.3. XFree86 4.2.0 already installed on it and Display mode 
set to 0.

* Initializing Java Virtual Machine from 
/tmp/OraInstall2003-07-26_02-19-42AM/jre/bin/java. ** Please wait... *

* /tmp/OraInstall2003-07-26_02-19-42AM/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: 
error while loading shared *

* libraries ** : libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object 
file: No such file or directory *
This is not an XFree86 problem. You have an incompatable or missing 
libstdc++ library. Please contact Oracle support, a local linux user 
group, or your linux distro's technical support offerings.

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Re: [XFree86] Problem Still Xserve

That's my log
[snip]

The X server seems to start up fine.

I got something like three kconsole opened and when i escaped by ctrl-alt-back
Konsole? OK, if the X server starts up OK and you have any kind of 
programs load up OK, then it's likely your problem isn't really with 
XFree86, but with some applications running under your X session. 
XFree86 really only provides the basic display system and draws the 
graphics other programs ask it to.

sh:/usr/bin/cpp: No such file or directory
Warning: Cannot convert string  to type XftFont
login: fatal IO error (Broken Pipe) or KillClient on Xserver :0.0
That's really weird. Why would a terminal, started for some reason when 
X is launched, be looking for cpp?

2 Seems to be a problem with fonts??? I was angry and when i reinstalled
a second time xserver 4.3 i answered lamely yes to all overwriting existing
files, even if i downloaded only the 11 mandatory files
It could be, I suppose. I can't really even understand what the problem 
is or what exactly is happening from your description. Can I get you to 
send an idiot-proof step-by-step description of what happens, starting 
from when you log in? Try to write it like you're talking to someone 
pretty clueless, that way you won't leave out anything important by 
making assumptions about what I think is going on. Perhaps with a more 
complete description of the problem, more can be done - or at least I or 
someone else will be able to tell you whether or not it's an issue with X.

3 In the log seems nv dont supports My Geforce Fx5200 ? I see only Fx 5800
written
Wouldn't be surprised, but I'm not sure. Try looking at the 
documentation on XFree86.org and see if your card is listed as supported 
there.

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Re: [XFree86] remote X

i wanna open a browser-window when the USB-Memory-Stick is inserted.
execution of any program on 
insert works as well as opening a browser-window. the problem is, that the
hotplug script runs under 
root and i can't tell the users x-server to open the browser. 
If the browser you're talking about is Mozilla, and it's always running, 
you could use x-remote calls. This is not the same thing as Remote X, as 
in Remote X11 protocol, but rather the Netscape events interface. It 
really doesn't have much to do with XFree86.

If the target user ID is known, their DISPLAY is known and they're on 
the same host, you could use xauth to merge their authentication cookie 
in to root's .xauth and then start the applcation using 'su username 
programname' I suppose. Ugly, though.

I'm not sure there's a clean way to do it with existing tools. Maybe 
have a script running in the background under the user's ID that 
periodically checks for the existance of a file created by the hotplug 
script, and runs a browser?

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Re: [XFree86] pls help....

can nybody help me out???
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=ISO-8859-1q=%22could+not+open+default+font+%27fixed%27%22btnG=Google+Search

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Re: [XFree86] [XFree86 4.2.0] Problem in starting Xserver

As suggested by you, I have given driver = vesa in XF86Config file.

I am getting different error screen when I run startx and the cursor
also does not return back to command prompt ( Do I need to run any other
setup before running startx).
It actually looks like X started up fine, but one of the programs being 
run by startx is hanging instead of continuing. Try 'startx `which 
xterm`' (replace xterm with whatever terminal emulator you have 
installed) and see if that starts up fine.

If you have a custom ~/.xinitrc or such, make sure that all the programs 
in it except the window manager (or whatever you use) are started with 
'' so that they're run in the background. For example,

xterm 
wmaker
instead of
xterm
wmaker
since the former will cause an xterm to start up and the script to not 
continue until that xterm is exited.

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Re: [XFree86] Reg: Error while loading Xwindows

We encountered a problem while starting Xwindows. We have a inbuilt VGA card (Details given below).

Savage Pro 3D Graphic Acceleration

XFree86 Version 4.0.3 / X Window System

(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400)

Release Date: 16 March 2001

If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is

newer than the above date, look for a newer version before

reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Please note the date of release, 16 March 2001, and the above message.
Your X server is a pretty ancient release, and won't support all the
hardware of the newer ones.

(II) SAVAGE: driver (version 1.1.15) for S3 Savage chipsets: Savage4,

Savage3D, Savage3D-MV, Savage2000, Savage/MX-MV, Savage/MX,

Savage/IX-MV, Savage/IX, ProSavage PM133, ProSavage KM133, Twister,

TwisterK

(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0

(--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device

(EE) No devices detected.

Fatal server error:

no screens found
Looks like your X server doesn't suport that particular card. Try
upgrading to a newer XFree86 release - say, 4.3.0 , and see how you go.
You might want to check out the supported chipset lists too.

http://www.xfree86.org/~dawes/4.3.0/Status.html
http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.3/Status.html
In this case, I don't see a Savage Pro in either - so either it's a
weird and rare card that isn't supported at all (in which case try out
the 'vesa' driver) or it's actually just another Savage type, but renamed.

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Re: [XFree86] ps/2 mouse no longer working under X

I am using RedHat 9 and just upgraded to kernel 2.4.20-19.9.  After doing so,
my ps/2 mouse (Logitech Trackman Marble FX) stopped working under X.  It
appears to function completely normally at runlevel 3, however.  If anyone
has any useful suggestions about how to get the mouse working again, I would
greatly appreciate it.  Attached is my config file and log.
If you're running gpm as well as XFree86, try stopping gpm before you 
fire up XFree86 and see if that helps.

Just an idle suggestion.

Craig Ringer

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Re: [XFree86] X in MDK 9.1 restarts without a reason

Everything went well for couple of days until X started to restart and drop me 
into login screen.
Have you checked your hardware? Make sure that the CPU fan is spinning 
properly, that you don't have any loose PCI cards or memory modules, etc.

It happened both with user and root accounts, 
Please never run X login environments as root. The less run as root, the 
better, due to the power you have under the root account. If you need to 
run X apps as root, I suggest that you use 'sudo' or 'su' from an 
existing X session instead of logging in as root.

After these strange restarts, I started to get computer hangs even before 
Login screen appeared, sometimes it just hangs, sometimes CapsLock and 
ScrollLock blink (so called Oops). 
Sounds like a hardware problem, though one never can be sure. Random 
kernel panics (oopses) and silent lockups though - I'd suspect 
hardware as the #1 likely cause.

I even encountered an Oops in a bere-naked 
console after these events. I thought it might be a problem with my memory so 
I issued command: grep -r a /usr (recursive scan of every file in /usr 
directory) to load my memory as much as possible and yes it crashed with 
Oops.
Try booting up with memtest86 and see what happens.

Right now it doesn't restart for already a half an hour, but I'm sure it will.
Probably it is bacused I've set boot options to ACPI=off and NOAPIC, but I was 
just pointing my finger in heaven (I doubt that exactly this helped).
Could've.

Also test your hard disk, since bad sectors in the swap partition can 
cause these sorts of problems.

If You are a developer who understands X internals, then please point me to 
any files on how to track this behavior, because common files say absolutely 
nothing about this I've checked:
Doesn't sound like an X problem at all, actually.

Craig Ringer

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Re: [XFree86] crash due to X?

Running the same system as below, I eventually got X working.  However,
after about 20 minutes it up and dies.  It just hangs and won't go
anywhere.  can't even ctrl+alt+del. 
CTL-ALT-Backspace is more likely to be useful under X, actually. This 
will kill the X server. CTL-ALT-DEL is only captured on normal text 
consoles AFAIK.

nothing is showing up in logs as far
as i can tell.  It didn't start before X worked though.  Furthermore, now
that X is set up, my terminals are completely unusable.  Every other
letter is shifted about half a screen off.
Are you using the normal text consoles, a VESA console, or some native 
frame buffer driver? Is X set to use the framebuffer interface?

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Re: [XFree86] crash due to X?

nothing is showing up in logs as far
as i can tell.  It didn't start before X worked though.  Furthermore, now
that X is set up, my terminals are completely unusable.  Every other
letter is shifted about half a screen off.
Are you using the normal text consoles, a VESA console, or some native
frame buffer driver? Is X set to use the framebuffer interface?
How do i tell?
OK, with text consoles vs linux console framebuffer it's usually a 
boot-time option passed to the kernel. I seem to remember that digging 
through the output of 'dmesg' will normally tell you. On many Linux 
distros, the machine boots with a penguin in the top left corner as the 
kernel inits if it's using a frame buffer (at least with vesafb).

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Re: [XFree86] Mouse deceleration: delays of pulses ignored

2003-07-09 Thread Craig Carey

A way to get an improvement in the behaviour of the XFree86 mouse
is to lower the Sample Rate.

E.g. it could be lowered to 20 Hz. That lets the decelerationg algorithm
(which ignores the (duration) spacing of the data) to get better results.

(Note that the Hz figure is rounded (e.g. to 20Hz, 40Hz, etc.. It
varies with the mouse somewhat).)



At 2003-07-08 02:07 +1200 Tuesday, Craig Carey wrote:
...
Possibly there is going to be a future need to have the mouse code get
a higher priority thread. I put the (dx,dy,time) data into a buffer and


But, a higher priority thread might mainly only stop jumping of the
pointer if the CPU is loaded.

I use the text console mouse (in FreeBSD). It would be nice if the
mouse ran better in XFree86.




A smoothing array for xf86PostMotionEvent() procedure:
http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common/xf86Xinput.c


I have a Microsoft Serial Port compatible mouse, part no. 58264.


Craig Carey

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[XFree86] Mouse deceleration: delays of pulses ignored

2003-07-07 Thread Craig Carey

More on the mouse deceleration algorithm of XFree86. Previous comments
missed the idea that the hardware developers were expecting a hybrid
algorithm and XFree86 doesn't have one.

| For the fast PS/2 mouse, the information is much in the numbers, e.g.
| (dx=2, dy=4). But for the slow PS/2 mouse, the numbers are mainly 0s and
| 1s, and more of the information about the speed is in the delays between
| mouse packets. XFree86 ignores (July 2003) the spacing (in time) between
| mouse packets, and the no real to real function can behave properly when
| the data is too discrete.

| The solution relies upon a use of timing data, and that timing data is
| significantly wrong if the data got queued up (which would tend to happen
| when the CPU was loaded).
|

Possibly there is going to be a future need to have the mouse code get
a higher priority thread. I put the (dx,dy,time) data into a buffer and
then if it got bunched up, my algorithm spread out the points by shifting
their times back into the past, so points were at least 1/80th of a
second apart. That gave really bad results and it is easily the case that
no algorithm would be good enough. I don't know so far.

Perhaps a future XFree86 would raise the priority of the kernel
(multitasking) thread(s) that handles mouse processing. (For the
decelerating code, fast execution is only needed up to the moment when
the time is taken note of.) Maybe someone else wants to do that.

Also that bug KDE or XFree86, where a drag with the left or
Alt-ed right mouse button, does not cause a grab to actually occur,
might be reduced somewhat easily by raising the priority of some
thread.

(The problem of 10-20 pixel jumps is easy to remove, but doing that
produces a mouse that has a very slow speed (one pixel at a time)
close to a clearly faster speed, and that problem worsens as the
problem of huge jumps of an ultra-slow mouse, is reduced.)

I have advanced mouse code, but it really did not improved the
behaviour of the mouse pointer. I looked at it for a while and
all I can think of about it, is that after timing data has got
damaged and lost, a best algorithm can't recover from that.

Maybe the mouse hardware resolutions is being set correctly.
Also if thread priorities are much involved in the problem, then
studying (measuring) the Windows mouse might find nothing that
seems useful.


Craig Carey


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[XFree86] Re: [Fink-beginners] ? = What system set-up configuration should i use for OS X 10.2.6

2003-07-02 Thread Craig Sutherland

On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 02:53 AM, Brian Egeness wrote:
Hello,

>snip Removed non concise parts

I have installed X11SDK and Apple Developer Tools
I have removed Apple's version of X11 and X11R6
I have installed xfree86-base 4.2.1.1-3 (not the rootless) via fink install* 10 hours later...:( got bandwidth? *

With this custom installation, what do you want to accmplish? Why did you decide that this would provide the most useful envirmnt for you?

Will X11SDK conflict with XFree86 in any way? I didn't think so but thought I should ask the more informed?
I need the best window manager, X server, and GUI (GNOME?) for my box and OS.

Best window manager is a matter of opinion. You need to know that there is a grey area in the definition of a window manager- some wms affect just what you would expect- window appearance, others begin to add features such as kickers, menus, etc. gnome and kde are what I would call desktop managers and in effect duplicate the function of the Apple desktop.

I want this setup to allow for the most apps to run stable.

Stable is dependent of the build of the app- apps can have both stable and unstable builds., with the stable being the version that the coding team has deemed most bullet proof. Your chose which you want.

In your opinion, better to go with root or rootless xfree86?

One has a root window that takes the entire screen, the other does not. xDarwin is rutted, X11R6 is rootless.

I need concise info and to the point pros and cons if more than one choice. (keep it short, simple and please no geek speak or intellectual flexing)

Keep it simple at first (and later too). Try blackbox as a wm. I do not use kde or gnome because they duplicate the desktop environment of Mac OS X.. I like what Apple has evolved over the last 19 years.

HTH
Craig

Re: XFree86 host.def file questions

2003-03-28 Thread Craig Groeschel

 can someone recommend the best 'grep' command

fgrep '***'
is the least awkward for me to type.

Regards,
Craig Groeschel

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[XFree86] video problems

2003-01-31 Thread Craig Blocker

Hi,

 I am trying to load Red Hat Linux 7.1.1 on a new Dell
Inspiron 4150 laptop.  If I start in text mode, everything
seems fine (except that only the central 20% of my screen
is used for the text).  When I do a startx command, I
get a Fatal server error: no screens found.

 The laptop has a ATI Radeon 7500 AGP (LW) video adapter
with 16Mb of memory.  I don't know what the display actually
is - Dell specifies it as a 14.1 SXGA+ display.  No matter
what I try I get the same problem.  Can you give me a clue
as to what to do?

Cheers,
Craig Blocker

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[XFree86] video problems

2003-01-31 Thread Craig Blocker


Hi,

 I meant to include the configuratin file and log file
last time, but forgot, so here they are.

 I am trying to load Red Hat Linux 7.1.1 on a new Dell
Inspiron 4150 laptop.  If I start in text mode, everything
seems fine (except that only the central 20% of my screen
is used for the text).  When I do a startx command, I
get a Fatal server error: no screens found.

 The laptop has a ATI Radeon 7500 AGP (LW) video adapter
with 16Mb of memory.  I don't know what the display actually
is - Dell specifies it as a 14.1 SXGA+ display.  No matter
what I try I get the same problem.  Can you give me a clue
as to what to do?

Cheers,
Craig Blocker



# File generated by anaconda.

Section ServerLayout
Identifier Anaconda Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
EndSection

Section Files

# The location of the RGB database.  Note, this is the name of the
# file minus the extension (like .txt or .db).  There is normally
# no need to change the default.

RgbPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
# By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
# the X server to render fonts.

FontPath   unix/:7100

EndSection

Section Module
Load  GLcore
Load  dbe
Load  extmod
Load fbdevhw
Load pex5
Load dri
Load  glx
Load  pex5
Load  record
Load  xie
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Keyboard0
Driver  keyboard

#   Option  AutoRepeat500 5

# when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the
# following line
#   Option  Protocol  Xqueue

# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
#   Option  Xleds 1 2 3

# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.
#   Option  XkbDisable

# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults).  For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
#   Option  XkbModel  pc102
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
#   Option  XkbModel  microsoft
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
#   Option  XkbLayout de
# or:
#   Option  XkbLayout de
#   Option  XkbVariantnodeadkeys
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
#   Option  XkbOptionsctrl:nocaps
Option  XkbRules  xfree86
Option  XkbModel  pc105
Option  XkbLayout us
#Option XkbVariant
#Option XkbOptions
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol PS/2
Option  Device /dev/psaux
Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5
Option  Emulate3Buttons yes
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier   Monitor0
VendorName   Monitor Vendor
ModelNameMonitor Model
HorizSync   31.5-48.5
VertRefresh 50-70

# -- 1400x1050 --
# 1400x1050 @ 60Hz, 65.8 kHz hsync
Modeline 1400x1050  129   1400 1464 1656 1960
  1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync

# 1400x1050 @ 70Hz, 76.8 kHz hsync
Modeline 1400x1050  151   1400 1464 1656 1960
  1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync

# 1400x1050 @ 75Hz, 82.3 kHz hsync
Modeline 1400x1050  162   1400 1464 1656 1960
  1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync

# 1400x1050 @ 85Hz, 93.2 kHz hsync
Modeline 1400x1050  184   1400 1464 1656 1960
  1050 1051 1054 1100 +HSync +VSync

EndSection

Section Device
# no known options
Identifier   ATI Radeon (generic)
Driver   radeon
VendorName   ATI Radeon (generic)
BoardName ATI Radeon (generic)

#BusID
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier   Screen0
Device   ATI Radeon (generic)
Monitor  Monitor0
DefaultDepth16

Subsection Display
Depth   16
Modes   1024x768 
EndSubsection

EndSection

Section DRI
Mode 0666
EndSection


XFree86 Version 4.1.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.1.0-15) / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510)
Release Date: 2 June 2001
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before

RE: [XFree86] Help with Linux 8.0 install

2003-01-21 Thread Craig

What extra information would u like me to supply

Thanks


Craig

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Yury Tarasievich
Sent: 22 January, 2003 8:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [XFree86] Help with Linux 8.0 install


Seems like your X is misconfigured.
Perhaps -- and it's only a guess! -- you've got vesa driver configured
to take care of your adapter (I, for myself, do not recall any success
of using vesa driver from 4.* with S3 Trio64's here). But line no
devices detected... rather denies this posibility...
You'll have to send more info here!

Craig wrote:

   Hi everyone,

I am very new to linux and really the IT industry. Im currently
studying network engineering, we have only completed our first semester. I
have installed linux 8.0 on a separate hard drive on my computer. My
computer is very old. Its a P1 200mmx with 256mb SDRAM. The video adapter
is
a S3 Trio64v2-dx/gx (775/785) Memory 2mb.

The install went fine and did everything it should have. When
you reboot the bootloader works fine and allows u to choose either linux or
dos. It then runs through a sequence saying everything is ok. when it tries
to display the GUI interface for login and password it is distorted. After





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RE: [XFree86] Help

2003-01-19 Thread Craig

Hi John

Tried to get the log file, to be able to  attach but it says the file does
not exist. Someone said to try using xf86config which i tried but still no
luck any ideas.



thanks Craig

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Sent: 19 January, 2003 4:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [XFree86] Help


Your OWN email contains a copy and paste of the following:

 When reporting a problem to a server crash, please send the full server
 output, not
 just the last message. This can be found in the log file
 /var/log/xfree.0.log.

But I don't see the attached said file.

JohnFlux


On Friday 17 January 2003 8:35 pm, Craig wrote:
 Hi
 I need help and advise. I have just installed Linux Redhat 8.0. It will
not
 boot into the
 GUI interface and comes up with this error. The error ask to contact this
 website for
 help. Here is word for word the error report.


 Thanks


 Craig


 Reporting problems ( See www.xfree86.org/ )
 Building Operating: System: Linux 2.4.18-11smp i686 [elf]
 Build host: daffy.perf.redhat.com

 Module loader present
 OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.18-14
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 (gcc version 3.2 20020903 ( Redhat Linux 8.0 3.2-7 )) # 1 Wed Sep 4
 11:57:57 EDT 2002
 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (= = )default settings, (++)
 from
 command line, (!!) notice (II) informational, (ww) warning, (ee) error,
 (ni) not
 implemented, (??) unknown, (= =) log file: /var/log/xfree86.0.log, Time:
 Fri Jan 17
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Re: [Xpert]Re: Proposal for mouse speed acceleration settings

2002-11-02 Thread Craig Carey

At 2002\11\01 23:01 -0800 Friday, Michael Toomim wrote:
At 2002\11\02 17:22 +1300 Saturday, Craig Carey wrote:

Correction: dx' = k1 *  * (+1 if dx  0 else -1)
  dx' = k2 * dx

  [dx is a C int, dx' is real that is added to a real sum and then
  later converted into a screen pixel position]

I think we're miscommunicating here.  My issue has nothing to do with
problems with small integers.  I just want to be able to control the
mouse speed (not acceleration) with xset.

Since these two issues are orthogonal, let's try to keep them in
separate threads.


That can be rejected. Here are my arguments for doing that. It would not
be a great problem to have a new thread.

Here are some arguments having considerations of deceleration appear in
this thread:

(1) The 31 October 200 message of Mr Toomim, which started the thread, was
 all over the topic of the deceleration function and it even mentioned that
 the a power function was used, thus the small procedure implementing the
 deceleration probably was located.

(2) The title contains the words mouse ... acceleration, so the subject
 field contained the topic. Not many messages here do contain the topic and
 I was only replying to other pre-existing threads on the topic of the
 deceleration algorithm;

(3) That first message of the thread had a significant purpose of having
 XFree86 altered so that the constant that is multiplied in, and that
 provides the accelerating, could be increased in real time. That is
 verifiable:

(4) A singe mathematical expression contains the multiplier and the
 'threshold' value that (mis)splices two curves together
--
At 2002\10\31 18:20 -0800 Thursday, Michael Toomim wrote:
I propose adding an option to the XF86Config mouse settings that lets a
user modify the mouse speed dynamically with xset, rather than with the
...
addition, there's no way to speed up the mouse by a constant multiplier
(independent of acceleration) without changing the Resolution option
in XF86Config.  This requires a server restart, root access, isn't
--

Anyone can modify XFree86 and then increase the amplifying number.

But then this problem appears: a very small motion of the hardware mouse
will cause an approx. 20 pixel jump of the mouse cursor. That is due to
a lack of averaging code that is major cause of the overshooting mouse
with its dead diamond shaped region in the velocity plane.

Both the fast mouse and the slow mouse, are affected.


At 02\11\01 23:58 -0800 Friday, J. Imlay wrote:
...
I've read the thread that you started last spring, and I've been following
this one, and I sympathize with you on the problems with the acceleration
in X (it's down right unusable IMHO)

Quite so: GNOME and KDE are unusable. However GNOME shut down bug reports
saying that it is an XFree86 problem. I think KDE was not processing their
bug report.

...
But lambasting people for commenting there opinions on this matter as
being off topic (even if they are) doesn't get any of us anywhere.

The author did not have backing of his message or the details of the topic
and this looks like an instance where users expect such patches to never
make it into the code.

That code seems to be in a C coding style: memcopy's, and no type checking,
and bugs [e.g. the discontinuity at the edge of the diamond shape, and
missing averaging code, and unnecessary loss of accuracy in the arithmetic
(use of (int))].

To provide averaging code won't alter the behaviour of the sliders in
GNOME and KDE so in addition to having very easy to write code that would
produce a noticeable improvement, it ought be able to avoid being
controversial. Obviously a fix is needed (I am not intending to produce
a patch for months).



The mouse deceleration algorithm: xf86PostMotionEvent():
http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common/xf86Xinput.c



Craig Carey
Auckland, New Zealand





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Re: [Xpert]Proposal for mouse speed acceleration settings

2002-11-01 Thread Craig Carey

At 02\11\01 11:52 -0800 Friday, Michael Toomim wrote:
Soeren Sandmann wrote:

 Back in May this year I sent the mail below to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but
 I never got any response.

That sucks!  Would it be rude to send it again?

I like the idea of changing the acceleration formula completely (as you
have done) rather than introducing a new XF86Config option to change it
(as I had suggested).


The XFree86 mouse deceleration function gets dx,dy integers that are
small integers in between -1 and +1 quite often. Whatever the function
(formula) was, it could be replaced with these two without much change:

  dx' = k1 * dx * (+1 if dx  0 else -1)
  dx' = k2 * dx

 [dx is a C int, dx' is real that is added to a real sum and then
 later converted into a screen pixel position]

Mr David Dawes was replying to some e-mail on the topic of the mouse
deceleration algorithm. He told me about Opensource projects.

What could be done is this:

* xf86PostMotionEvent() is repeatedly called. EAch time it is called,
 the dx,dy and time values are saved.

* an algorithm averages the last k dx (and dy) values. The function
 that calculates k is not too simple. Certainly k is not a constant
 since that can lead to a slow mouse pointer appearing to have inertia.

I presume patches aiming to tweak functions ought be filed/etc away
while there is not some substantially better averaging algorithm in
the XFree86 source code.


xf86PostMotionEvent():
http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common/xf86Xinput.c


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Re: [Xpert]Proposal for mouse speed acceleration settings

2002-10-31 Thread Craig Carey

I have a webpage on the topic of the mouse in XFree86:

http://www.ijs.co.nz/linux-orbiting-mouse.htm



At 2002\10\31 18:20 -0800 Thursday, Michael Toomim wrote:
I propose adding an option to the XF86Config mouse settings that lets a
user modify the mouse speed dynamically with xset, rather than with the
Resolution option in XF86Config.

Right now, xset m acceleration threshold means:

 Move the cursor at speed `acceleration*raw_mouse_speed' whenever
 `raw_mouse_speed' is greater than `threshold' -- unless `threshold'
 is 0, in which case the cursor will move at
 `raw_mouse_speed^acceleration'.

This last feature (with threshold=0) is completely undocumented.  In

It is also not available to KDE users (who can't get the threshold down
to 0, if I recall correctly).
Anyway, the unavailable algorithm maybe is no better (or if it is, then
comparing the two is going to produce indecision over which is better).


addition, there's no way to speed up the mouse by a constant multiplier
(independent of acceleration) without changing the Resolution option
in XF86Config.  This requires a server restart, root access, isn't
documented in XF86Config's man page, isn't supported for all mice, can't
be customized per-user, and doesn't really make sense (Resolution is
inversely proportional to MouseSpeed).

The right way to do mouse acceleration is to have a smooth acceleration
curve (like the polynomial you get with threshold=0) and to let the user


That is not correct because the data going into the functions. is mainly
(dx,dy) taking these values: (0,0),(1,0),(-1,0),(0,1),(0,-1). It might
be different if some high resolution expensive mouse gets around the
problem. Such things are not needed when Windows 2000 is used.

To get the digits +/-2 to show up, when there is a plain Microsoft PS/2
mouse, then a speed that is often not reached, is needed.


control both the acceleration and a constant multiplier dynamically (not
in XF86Config).  For example, it'd be great if xset m [A] [B] made the
cursor move according to the formula [A] * raw_mouse_speed^[B].


It is a 2-D curve.
Also it has a discontinuity in it which is a bug. The effect of the bug
would be to make the mouse orbit around that stopping point. I tried
removing the bug but it was not any better. The function ought be
replaced eventually even though it seems to me that most of the problem
is due to the missing code to do averaging of dx,dy integers.



Proposal:  Add a boolean option to XF86Config called
UseSmoothMouseAccel that changes the behavior of xset.  If this
variable is set to true, the command `xset m [A] [B]' will mean set the
cursor movement function to `[A] * raw_mouse_speed^[B]'.


While the bad problem of an absence of code to average mouse data (for
a plain XFree86 configuration), is not remedied, then other problems
can't easily be fixed, due to reviewers being unable to decide if the
change made the mouse better or worse. After that there could be a
problem of too many possible algorithms.

It could be nice to shift disputes over retaining the meaning of the
sliders in GNOME and rewriting the parameters, out to the desktop
bug tracking systems, so it does not add disputes unnecessarily to
the topic of whether copying the mouse algorithm of Windows 2000/Timeout
is best.


The problems are inside of the xf86PostMotionEvent() procedure, which can
be viewed at this URL:
http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common/xf86Xinput.c


This will also require some way for client X applications (like gnome's
mouse settings applet) to determine the value of UseSmoothMouseAccel, etc.



Comments?  There has been scattered discussion of possible ways to
improve XFree86's mouse acceleration in the past, but there haven't been
many practical solutions suggested.  I'd really like to get this cobweb
cleaned up.

I am guessing people would prefer hundreds of iterations recompiling.
A quickest way could be to start out compiling some Windows program.

Tapping into Windows 2000 mouse data and then inferring from an analysis
of the data should allow the Microsoft algorithm to be precisely
copied. They have a worse mouse deceleration algorithm in Windows 98 SE,
and possibly the best effort of someone could produce something as bad,
Anyway, for many, having the mouse be about identical to a Windows 2000
mouse is aim independent of one of having the behaviour be unimprovable.

---

To fix the bad design of the sliders in GNOME and KDE could justify a
preprocessing subroutine/procedure that alters the parameters that then
pass into the mouse pointer deceleration algorithm. Possibly they might
want to control the rewriting of the parameter integers but not
provide their own new mouse deceleration code.


Would someone say how to get debugging data piped out of XFree86 and
put into a window in XFree86 in any OS. Any sample code to copy?.





Craig Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Auckland, New Zealand
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[Newbie]2.5.xx kernels

2002-10-20 Thread Craig Dyke

Does anyone know if there is an issue with compiling xfree
from source running any of the 2.5.xx kernels???

Craig

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[Xpert]ATI Radeon 9000 Pro

2002-10-09 Thread Craig Gallek

Title: Message



Hello,
 I was thinking about scrapping Windows and converting to 
Linux. I found a thread on your web site that says you do not yet support 
the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro (which my computer uses). It also says that 
support will be added in the near future. I was just wondering how near 
the future is.

Thanks,
Craig Gallek

Re: [Newbie]ATI radeonb

2002-10-08 Thread Craig Dyke

Yes please. Sorry about Mandrake/Redhat mix up, didn't
see original message :)

Craig
- Original Message -
From: Jeremy West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Newbie]ATI radeonb

 Well, first of all I'm using redhat 8.0 not mandrake.  Second of all
 every installation wasn't guarenteed to be a success.  I have had it
 work under 7.1 sometimes, and 7.3 sometimes.  I have only installed 8.0
 once so far on my box.  Works great for me know.  Also this is a 32 M
 ddr card.  Would you like the XFree Config file?

 Jeremy

 On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 11:41, Craig Dyke wrote:
  I have had a number of problems with 3D and DRI under X using an ATI
Radeon
  32MB SDR.
  I would like to see the config file that Mandrake wrote for Jeremy below
if
  it is truly
  working out of the box as it were :)

  Craig

  - Original Message -
  From: Jeremy WEst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:06 AM
  Subject: RE: [Newbie]ATI radeonb

   Actually I have a Radeon 32 M and I get great 3d support from the
Xfree
   drivers.  I didn't have to download any from the ATI site.  8.0 did a
   great job of detecting it and enabling DRI.  It's just the standard
   radeon driver.  I didn't try to use any of the more card specific
   drivers.  Try just the generic radeon driver.

   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
   Behalf Of Steve White
   Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:57 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Newbie]ATI radeonb

   The radeon is support in xfree 4.2.0 and above.  It is only 2D
support.
   for 3D you have to go to the ATI website and download the driver.  (I
   had to do this with my 8500 - not sure about the radeon)  They had
   drivers compiled for both 4.1.0 and 4.2.0 on ATI's site for the 8500 -
I
   think it is the same driver (or very similar).  They have a selection
   routine that will get you what you need if it exists.  Their drivers
are
   offered in rpm form.

   Steve W

   On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 18:32, Kurdty wrote:
Hello,

i have an ATI radeon 32 sdr.

i' m using XFree4.1.0-16

this is a mach32 , mach64 ?
i can't success in configuring it. Can you help me ?

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[Xpert]gxl on non-accel card

2002-10-08 Thread Craig Maloney


Hi all.

I have the following problem.  I have a riva128, which, as far as I 
know, does not have hardware accel features.  I put together an 
XF86Config file without glx enabled, and everything works fine.  When I 
enable glx, the monitor gets no displayable signal even though the 
xserver tells me it is using the same video mode it was using when I 
didn't have glx enabled.

It is my understanding that non-accellerated cards will just do the GL 
stuff in software in the xserver if glx is enabled, is this right?  Does 
anyone know what my problem could be?

Thanks in advance,  cheers,  
Craig

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Re: [Newbie]ATI radeonb

2002-10-07 Thread Craig Dyke


I have had a number of problems with 3D and DRI under X using an ATI Radeon
32MB SDR.
I would like to see the config file that Mandrake wrote for Jeremy below if
it is truly
working out of the box as it were :)

Craig


- Original Message -
From: Jeremy WEst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: RE: [Newbie]ATI radeonb


 Actually I have a Radeon 32 M and I get great 3d support from the Xfree
 drivers.  I didn't have to download any from the ATI site.  8.0 did a
 great job of detecting it and enabling DRI.  It's just the standard
 radeon driver.  I didn't try to use any of the more card specific
 drivers.  Try just the generic radeon driver.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
 Behalf Of Steve White
 Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:57 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Newbie]ATI radeonb

 The radeon is support in xfree 4.2.0 and above.  It is only 2D support.
 for 3D you have to go to the ATI website and download the driver.  (I
 had to do this with my 8500 - not sure about the radeon)  They had
 drivers compiled for both 4.1.0 and 4.2.0 on ATI's site for the 8500 - I
 think it is the same driver (or very similar).  They have a selection
 routine that will get you what you need if it exists.  Their drivers are
 offered in rpm form.

 Steve W

 On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 18:32, Kurdty wrote:
  Hello,
 
  i have an ATI radeon 32 sdr.
 
  i' m using XFree4.1.0-16
 
  this is a mach32 , mach64 ?
  i can't success in configuring it. Can you help me ?
 
 
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Re: [Newbie]Reverse Video on Radeon Mobility

2002-09-26 Thread Craig Main


I have now found that if I exclude the module extmod from the
XF86Config-4 file, the colour returns to normal, but the screen size is
not full screen anymore, but about halfsize with black borders around.

Can anyone shed some light on this?


On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 09:27, Craig Main wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I have a Compaq Presario 2700 with a Radeon Mobility 32mb video card.
 The device driver I am using is the ati one. Everything runs fine, but
 If I try to play Tuxracer, it loads in reverse video, black is white,
 blues are a kind of brown, and yellow is bluish!
 
 Has anyone got a solution to this?
 
 TIA
 Craig
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[Newbie]Reverse Video on Radeon Mobility

2002-09-24 Thread Craig Main


Hi all,

I have a Compaq Presario 2700 with a Radeon Mobility 32mb video card.
The device driver I am using is the ati one. Everything runs fine, but
If I try to play Tuxracer, it loads in reverse video, black is white,
blues are a kind of brown, and yellow is bluish!

Has anyone got a solution to this?

TIA
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Re: [Newbie] Radeon 32meg sdr PCI

2002-08-11 Thread Craig Dyke

In addition to my earlier post I should mention that my card is an AGP card
and i still have the problem :((

Craig
- Original Message -
From: Keith Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Newbie] Radeon 32meg sdr PCI

 I have a Radeon 700 PCI and eventually found that the PCI versions of the
 Radeon cards are not well supported but the AGP are.  You can get them to
 work but currently I can only get 2D accelleration.  Any attempt to get 3D
 causes a lock up.  The following are the important parts of my XF86Config.
 You will most likely have to hand edit the file to set this up.

 There will be other Sections but these are the ones I created or
altered.
 In the Modules section the important part is the commenting out of dri by
 placing a '# as the first non blank character on the line.

 In the Device section the BusID line will most likely be differant on your
 machine as this depends on the slot the oards in and other cards in the
 machine.

 In the Screen sction you will have to change the line that reads Monitor
 Monitor0 so that Monitor0 matches what ever the identifier line in the
 Monitor section declares.

 Good luck.  It took me about 2 weeks of reading and experimenting to get
this
 working as good as it is.  I've read a number of comments on the boards
that
 make me hope that I may soon be able to get 3D Accelleration working.  If
 this happens I will probably post something here because the Radeon PCI
 problem crops up on this list periodicaly.

 Section Module
 SubSection  extmod
 #  option   omit xfree86-dga
 EndSubSection
 Load  xie
 Load  pex5
 Load  glx
 #Load  dri
 Load  dbe
 Load  i2c
 Load  ddc
 Load  record
 Load  xtrap
 Load  speedo
 Load  type1
 EndSection

 Section Device
 Identifier  AtiRadeon
 Driver  radeon
 VendorName  ATI
 BusID   PCI:0:18:0
 option  nodri
 VideoRam32768
 EndSection

 Section Screen
 Identifier Screen0
 Device AtiRadeon
 MonitorMonitor0
 DefaultDepth24
 SubSection Display
 Depth 24
 Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480
 EndSubSection
 EndSection

 On Sunday 11 August 2002 02:35 pm, Brian wrote:
  I have a very similar setup as the last poster for the Radeon 32meg
  sdr.  And I have EXACTLY the same problem.  I have been fighting with
  this for the longest time and have yet to see anybody answer the
  question.  I would really appreciate it if someone could share their
  knowledge about the problem and help us guys out with this problem.

  In case you missed the problem he mentiioned, what happens is when you
  try to use the DRI drivers to get 3d acceleration you get a screen
  that's really wierd at the top, like all the pixels of the screen are
  bunched together in a 2 or 3 inch space, the bottom of the screen is a
  nice solid color and the mouuse pointer is a perfectly clear X that can
  be moved all over the screen.  I get this anytime I try to upgrade to an
  XFree release that is supposed to support 3d acceleration for my card,
  4.1, 4.2. so on and so forth, 4.0 works beautifully with the card, but I
  have no 3d acceleration.

  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  Brian

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[Newbie]Radeon(QD) 32MB SDR crashes

2002-08-10 Thread Craig Dyke




Hello all,

This is my first post to this list so please bear 
with me :)

I have recently installed Xfree86 v4.2.0 on my 
machine.
I am running an Athlon 1100 with 512MB RAM on a 
KT133 Motherboard.
agpgart is configured into kernel and radeon.o as 
module.

Whenever i run startx i get a black screen with 
some green pixelation
across the top in about an inch band. I also get a 
mouse pointer as a cross
which can be moved. On viewing the log for xfree 
there are no errors and it
would appear that the log says radeon card, drm and 
dri are all working fine.

Can someone please help me workout why i can get no 
picture??

btw. i have tried to startx with xdm and kde 
neither work :(

Craig

Re: [Newbie]Error GrabNotViewable ??

2002-06-18 Thread jack craig


Charles wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 SuSE 7.2 / Xfree86 4.2.0 / standard MS serial mouse / KDE 2.2
 
 Why do I keep getting message:  Grabbing the mouse failed with
 GrabNotViewable ?
 
 (This is the return from functions Xgrabpointer, XUngrabpointer, etc if it's
 any help)
 
 I'm using XFree86 binary RPM's from Suse, would I be better to compile
 myself?

warning, the attempt to build install xf4.2.0 killed my suse 8.0
install...

ymmv, jackc...

 
 many thanks
 Charles
 
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Re: [Newbie]xf86cfg vs xf86config

2002-06-15 Thread jack craig


Peter Leftwich wrote:

just curious peter, why is this the 4th instance of this message?

perhaps you are doing some market research?!

redundancy not impressive, jackc...

 
 Would anyone know if there is a shell-script designed to run like either
 the graphical or text-driven xf86config programs, that would check to make
 sure consistencies were in place (such as ~/.xinitrc, /etc/ttys and so
 forth)?
 
 By the same token, is there a send-pr type of command to send a bug or
 problem report in automatically, that would attach the most-recently used
 XF86Config file, dmesg information, and the /var/log/XFree86.0.log file?
 
 I think people would gladly pay a per-incident fee for these, or at least
 for the service of interpreting the logfile and error messages!
 
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Re: [Newbie]Trouble configuring ATI Xpert 128 on 4.2

2002-06-13 Thread jack craig


Fred Bauer wrote:
 
 Hello All,

you seem to have 2 cards installed, the ati and the cyberblade.
might i suggest you remove one and get the remaining one to work first.

while i'm using suse, my attached log  cfg files are for the ati
card.

note also the attached pci space listing, what does your pci space look
like?

hth, jackc

 
 I'm attempting to configure XFree86 4.2.0 using an ATI Xpert 128 (16MB)
 on freeBSD 4.2. To cut to the punchline, when I run
 XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new
 I get the following errors:
 /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(EE) R128(0): No DFP detected
 /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(EE) TRIDENT(1): Cannot read V_BIOS (3)
 /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(EE) R128(0): [dri] R128DRIScreenInit failed (depth 8 no
 t supported).  [dri] Disabling DRI.
 /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(EE) TRIDENT(1): Cannot read V_BIOS (3)
 followed by a core dump.
 
 I've appended the config and log files to this message for your
 reference.  I've gone through a couple of goggle searches, but
 would like to aviod recompiling the 4.2.0 source unless I must.
 
 Has anyone successfully installed this card? If so, how did you do
 it?
 
 Or should I exchange my video card for one that has less problems?
 Has anyone installed an ATI Radeon card without trouble?
 
 I am looking to your help, Fred
 
 XF86Config.new -
 Section ServerLayout
 Identifier XFree86 Configured
 Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
 Screen  1  Screen1 RightOf Screen0
 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
 EndSection
 
 Section Files
 RgbPath  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
 ModulePath   /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/
 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/
 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
 EndSection
 
 Section Module
 Load  extmod
 Load  xie
 Load  pex5
 Load  glx
 Load  dri
 Load  dbe
 Load  record
 Load  xtrap
 Load  speedo
 Load  type1
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
 Identifier  Keyboard0
 Driver  keyboard
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
 Identifier  Mouse0
 Driver  mouse
 Option  Protocol auto
 Option  Device /dev/mouse
 EndSection
 
 Section Monitor
 #DisplaySize  300   230 # mm
 Identifier   Monitor0
 VendorName   EPI
 ModelNameEN-5100e
 Option  DPMS
 EndSection
 
 Section Monitor
 Identifier   Monitor1
 VendorName   Monitor Vendor
 ModelNameMonitor Model
 EndSection
 
 Section Device
 ### Available Driver options are:-
 ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
 ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
 ### [arg]: arg optional
 #Option NoAccel   # [bool]
 #Option SWcursor  # [bool]
 #Option Dac6Bit   # [bool]
 #Option Dac8Bit   # [bool]
 #Option ForcePCIMode  # [bool]
 #Option CCEPIOMode# [bool]
 #Option CCENoSecurity # [bool]
 #Option CCEusecTimeout# i
 #Option AGPMode   # i
 #Option AGPSize   # i
 #Option RingSize  # i
 #Option BufferSize# i
 #Option Display   # str
 #Option PanelWidth# i
 #Option PanelHeight   # i
 #Option ProgramFPRegs # [bool]
 #Option UseFBDev  # [bool]
 #Option VideoKey  # i
 #Option ShowCache # [bool]
 Identifier  Card0
 Driver  ati
 VendorName  ATI
 BoardName   Rage 128 Pro PP
 BusID   PCI:0:9:0
 EndSection
 
 Section Device
 ### Available Driver options are:-
 ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
 ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
 ### [arg]: arg optional
 #Option SWcursor  # [bool]
 #Option PciRetry  # [bool]
 #Option NoAccel   # [bool]
 #Option SetMClk   # freq
 #Option MUXThreshold  # i
 #Option ShadowFB  # [bool]
 #Option Rotate# [str]
 #Option VideoKey  # i
 #Option NoMMIO# [bool]
 #Option NoPciBurst

Re: [Newbie]Confused with XPutImage

2002-06-13 Thread jack craig


Yuri van Oers wrote:
 
 Hi all,
you might look at imagemagick.org, a open src pkg for image
processing, maybe that src will offer a clue?

also, any possibility you need to reorder the bits for the frame buffer?

hth, jackc...

 
 I've been battling with XPutImage over the past few days.
 I could only find little help googling around the net, so I figured lets
 try here.
 
 I've got an image in memory, order bytewise like this:
 RGBRGBRGBRGBRGBRGBRGBRGBRGB...
 AFAIK, this is RGB24, or 24-bit RGB888.
 
 And all I want is to XPutImage it on screen. But it gets garbled.
 I'm thinking it has to do something with Visuals, but those confuse the
 heck out of me.
 
 Can anyone help me with this?
 
 Thanks!
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Re: [Newbie]remove from list

2002-06-12 Thread jack craig


Christopher Fisk wrote:
 
 On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, jack craig wrote:
 
 what i didnt know before being a kbd smartass was that
 this poster had lost his pwd.
 
 so me, rather than he was the jerk here.
 
 i just _Gotta_ get a life! :)
 
 Actually, it's just he didn't go far enough into the process of removing
 his own address.  If you put in your e-mail address on that page, it gives
 the Configuration for your e-mail address.  Part of that page is the
 option to have your password mailed to you.

i see, good to christopher, thanks.

i appreciate your time,jackc...

 
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Re: [Newbie]during the upgrade process to 4.2.0

2002-06-11 Thread jack craig


Cynthia Grossen wrote:
 
 during the process of upgrading to 4.2.0 from 4.1.0 on mandrake 8.1, I found
 out that I need a couple of files that I can't seem to find on the mandrake
 site or the xfree site. they are needed for some of the games to work under
 4.2.0: namely chromium, freeciv, and nethack. the files that I need are
 libXv.so.1

i find this lib in my /usr/X11/lib directory. i have suse 8.0.

i also find that the statically linked version of these libraries
are indeed in teh XFree86 distro, you didnt look there?


 and libXxf86dga.so.1; there is absolutely no mention of them in
 the rpms directory of mandrake and I did not see them anywhere on the xfree
 site either; I thought that they might be rolled up into another package
 though.
 
 any help would be appreciated,

hth, jackc..

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Re: [Newbie]remove from list

2002-06-11 Thread jack craig


Dexter Filmore wrote:
 
 Hmmm. I think I'm gonna forward this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

i'm sure he could use the humor.

what i didnt know before being a kbd smartass was that
this poster had lost his pwd. 

so me, rather than he was the jerk here.

i just _Gotta_ get a life! :)

jackc...

 
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Re: [Newbie](Really) BigFont problems


Matthew Caine Garrett wrote:

this is a wag, but what about the Xfree*log files?
during startup, do you get any complaints/warnings that
werent earlier there?

hth, jackc...

 
 I've done something to screw up my font handling in my xf86 4.1.0
 installation and now Star Office and Opera only attempt to display using
 characters a half an inch tall. Even on my 1600x1200 display, this is
 unreadable and it renders the applications unusable.
 
 I'm running Slackware 8.0 with the standard Gnome installation from that
 distro.
 I've upgraded to a 2.4.18 kernel, but I doubt that has anything to do with
 it.
 The Opera is the latest binary distro of 6.01.
 
 I've tried to go through ProgramsSettingsGnome Control CenterTheme
 SelectorUser Font and ...Gnome Control CenterSawfish window
 managerAppearanceDefault font, but no joy getting my fonts back to a
 sane state. No other apps appear to be affected. I did an strace on both
 of them and the only thing I could see happening I didn't like was the
 write-ing of something to do with Xfree86-Bigfont to an X socket by the
 Star Office install script. I saw nothing out of the ordinary from Opera.
 
 Where could these apps be getting the idea I want my text a half an inch
 high, and more's to the point, how do I convince them otherwise?
 
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Re: [Newbie]where's the site?


Weaver Weaver wrote:
 
 can you reccommend a forum which I can easily browse questions and answers
 regarding Red Hat config on a Toshiba 750 Tecra DVD laptop?

my suggestion is check RH's site for mailing lists and subscribe
as appropriate. there may even be a list for installation or
new users.

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Re: [Newbie]help from downunder


Weaver Weaver wrote:
 
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 Sir:10.06.02
 
 I'm running Red Hat 7.1 on a Toshiba laptop and I'm having trouble finding
 all the config files to do with the mouse. Current error message is:
 
 Oops (): invoked from gpm.c 984 /dev/mouse I/O error

does /dev/mouse exist?
l /dev/mouseto check.

 
 Now, I've bought all the thick books and have searched exhaustively on the
 net to find someone to help me, but I can't even get the mouse working in
 the Xwindows and shell at the same time. The latest is I've somehow deleted
 the /dev/mouse directory. I know of 2 config files, namely
 /etc/sysconfig/mouse and /etc/X11/XF86config but the question is, are there
 more?

whieo i cant answer this, i can say i have a working configuration
on suse 8.0 so if you pose more focused questions, i'll verify
based on my working config.

 Is it preferable to do it by hand or use programs like gpm? I think
 the trouble started when I ran gpm and selected the 'no mouse' option.
 That's when the directory went. XF86 starts up but the mouse is frozen.

any help/clues in the /var/log/XF*log files ?

 
 What I need is to know is how to get to all config file concerned with the
 configuration of a certain thing. There could be up to 5 or 6 sometimes,
 right? Hope you can send me some good links with easy to post on notice
 boards, etc, because I'm drowning here.

blub, blub isnt good! :)

seriously, if it were me, i'd start in the log files and if there
are errors there(and i suspect there may be), resolve those first.
then if its still not working, at least you know the startup is happy.

hth, jackc...
 
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Re: [Newbie]problem with GLIBC_2.2


Nicolas BONIFAS wrote:
 
 Help me please...
 
  I have installed XFree86 4.2.0 using the Xinstall.sh script but I get the
  following error message when I start an X application :
  /lib/libc.so.6: version 'GLIBC_2.2' not found (required by X)
  Where to download that file? (I'm running Debian 2.2r6)
  Thank you

point your browser at google.com/linux,
enter 'glibc download' and take your pick of the options.

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Re: [Newbie]RAM flooded


CRV§ADER/KY wrote:

 16MB card, that's still not too bad.
 
 But TOTAL RAM is still 128MB, and those 45MB are subtracted from it!

you are missing an important point i think.
that is, you may have 128mb of physical ram, but linux is virtually
paged memory. that is, the swap partition is used to swap in and
out large processes sharing the physical memory between many large
processes whose gross sum may be well above the physical memory.

naturally i should say that excessive swapping can be a performance 
problem too, but a better solution is adding memory. i think most
folks will agree that video oriented hosts should be RAM rich.

jackc...


 is it a bug in top? How can I check the
 REAL RAM locked by X11?
 
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Re: [Newbie]Getting started


P.Dubas wrote:
 
 I'm not sure I'm where I wanted to be.
 I have an older windows PC program that I wanted to run on my IMac G4.
 I thought Xfree.86 was the pc emulator that would do it.

i dont think you read the description of xfree86 too closely.


 I downloaded the entire package of
 XFree86 4.2.0 and I got 3 screens: A login and two xterms

others would kill for that kind of first shot success! 

too bad its not what you crave.


. I searched for downloads which would
 give step by step instructions but found none. The package seemed to come with 
instructions but when
 I tried to open it, the computer couldn't find the proper application.
 Is there someone who could and would help me? Thanx

my suggestion is ask apple support for an emulation pkg for 
windoz xx for your max os level and take it from there.

hth, jackc...

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Re: [Newbie]Documentation on compiling and installing XFree86 4.2.0


Adam Luchjenbroers wrote:
 
 I'm looking for some documentation on compiling and installing XFree 4.2.0.

sure, read the download. or if you didnt download the src, do it.
in the ./xc/ direcotry there is a file that says exactly what to do.


 I
 think it would be a good idea to have some printed documentation on how to do
 it + how to fix any mistakes on hand ready incase I need it.

no, no, please DONT print it!!! save a tree and use the electronic 
copy. 

 
 Can anybody recommend anything.

make a donation to the seirra club?! :)

now that is intended as a joke, not a personal opinion... :)

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Re: [Newbie]remove from list


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Re: [Newbie]GeForce2 MX and 4.2.0 Install

2002-06-08 Thread jack craig


Tom Coxen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Brand new to this!
 
 I've installed the Dummies Red Hat 7.0 distribution
 and found that the included Xfree86 version does not
 support the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX and therefore cannot
 startx.
 
 I have downloaded v4.2.0 via my windows partition to
 solve this but do not understand how to browse to a
 floppy or cd-rom to run the install from the command
 line on the linux partition.
 
 Any help or suggestions greatfully recieved

hi tom,

if i am not mistaken, you get a tarball that you untar
into a directory locale of your choice. there are directories
included, one, xc, is where you find the INSTALL.X.org.

read down the file and you will see both build and install instructions.

while 4.2.0 is integrated with my suse 8.0, i downloaded and built the
src just for fun. however, my first time around, i made the BAD mistake
of taking the install step. on suse, this is fatal.

hth, jackc...

 
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Re: [Newbie]RE: XFree86 4.1


Adam Newcomb wrote:
 
 Jackc wrote:
 
  i can say that if the externals are unresolved, the driver wont load.
  if you need it and its not loaded
 
  what does modprobe -c show? are all modules you need present?
 
  hth, jackc...
 
 Here are the modprobe results, I still don't see it:

ok, this just confirms that it didnt load. now the hard part,
symbol, symbol, who has that symbol.

tools, nm, ldd

first, the driver.o that wont load, see if ldd 'driver.o'
will tell of any dependencies. 

next let me point out that nm ??? will report what symbols are in a
file showing u for undefined, t for text is here, your challenge 
is now using the find and whatever else to locate the .o file that 
has your unresolved externals defined as t for text and then 
load that object as well.

hth, jackc...

ps: i gotta make a symbol to lib reference list! :)

 
 # This file was generated by: modprobe -c (2.1.121)
 path[misc]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[pcmcia]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[video]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[fc4]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[sound]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[ipv6]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[ipv4]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[cdrom]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[block]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[scsi]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[net]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[fs]=/lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk
 path[misc]=/lib/modules/default
 path[pcmcia]=/lib/modules/default
 path[video]=/lib/modules/default
 path[fc4]=/lib/modules/default
 path[sound]=/lib/modules/default
 path[ipv6]=/lib/modules/default
 path[ipv4]=/lib/modules/default
 path[cdrom]=/lib/modules/default
 path[block]=/lib/modules/default
 path[scsi]=/lib/modules/default
 path[net]=/lib/modules/default
 path[fs]=/lib/modules/default
 path[misc]=/lib/modules
 path[pcmcia]=/lib/modules
 path[video]=/lib/modules
 path[fc4]=/lib/modules
 path[sound]=/lib/modules
 path[ipv6]=/lib/modules
 path[ipv4]=/lib/modules
 path[cdrom]=/lib/modules
 path[block]=/lib/modules
 path[scsi]=/lib/modules
 path[net]=/lib/modules
 path[fs]=/lib/modules
 # Aliases
 alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
 alias eth0 3c59x
 alias binfmt-2 binfmt_aout
 alias binfmt-0107 binfmt_aout
 alias binfmt-204 binfmt_aout
 alias binfmt-263 binfmt_aout
 alias binfmt-264 binfmt_aout
 alias binfmt-267 binfmt_aout
 alias binfmt-387 binfmt_aout
 alias binfmt-332 iBCS
 alias binfmt-310 binfmt_java
 alias block-major-1 rd
 alias block-major-2 floppy
 alias block-major-3 ide-probe
 alias block-major-7 loop
 alias block-major-8 sd_mod
 alias block-major-11 sr_mod
 alias block-major-13 xd
 alias block-major-15 cdu31a
 alias block-major-16 gscd
 alias block-major-17 optcd
 alias block-major-18 sjcd
 alias block-major-20 mcdx
 alias block-major-22 ide-probe
 alias block-major-23 mcd
 alias block-major-24 sonycd535
 alias block-major-25 sbpcd
 alias block-major-26 sbpcd
 alias block-major-27 sbpcd
 alias block-major-29 aztcd
 alias block-major-32 cm206
 alias block-major-33 ide-probe
 alias block-major-34 ide-probe
 alias char-major-4 serial
 alias char-major-5 serial
 alias char-major-6 lp
 alias char-major-9 st
 alias char-major-10 misc
 alias char-major-10-0 busmouse
 alias char-major-10-1 psaux
 alias char-major-10-2 msbusmouse
 alias char-major-10-3 atixlmouse
 alias char-major-10-4 amigamouse
 alias char-major-10-5 atarimouse
 alias char-major-10-130 wdt
 alias char-major-10-131 wdt
 alias char-major-10-135 off
 alias char-major-10-139 openprom
 alias char-major-14 sound
 alias char-major-19 cyclades
 alias char-major-20 cyclades
 alias char-major-21 sg
 alias char-major-27 ftape
 alias char-major-34 scc
 alias char-major-35 tclmidi
 alias char-major-36 netlink
 alias char-major-37 ide-tape
 alias char-major-48 riscom8
 alias char-major-49 riscom8
 alias char-major-63 kdebug
 alias dos msdos
 alias dummy0 dummy
 alias dummy1 dummy
 alias eth0 off
 alias iso9660 isofs
 alias md-personality-1 linear
 alias md-personality-2 raid0
 alias md-personality-3 raid1
 alias md-personality-4 raid5
 alias net-pf-1 unix
 alias net-pf-2 ipv4
 alias net-pf-3 off
 alias net-pf-4 ipx
 alias net-pf-5 appletalk
 alias netalias-2 ip_alias
 alias plip0 plip
 alias plip1 plip
 alias ppp0 ppp
 alias ppp1 ppp
 alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp
 alias ppp-compress-24 ppp_deflate
 alias ppp-compress-26 ppp_deflate
 alias scsi_hostadapter off
 alias slip0 slip
 alias slip1 slip
 alias tty-ldisc-1 slip
 alias tty-ldisc-3 ppp
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 # Commands
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Re: [Newbie]thankyou!!!!!


Jason Forehand wrote:

i suspect part of the problem is newbies helping newbies.

that is, as a newcomer, i susbscribed to this list to learn
more and see what kinds of problems were in daily traffic.

i can see that newbies are getting help from others, but as others 
get past the newbie stage, i suspect they unsubscribe from the 
newbie list and subscribe to the more advanced user lists.

this trend may tend to starve newbie help so i guess we should
solicit more advanced users to hang out on this list?! :)

still learning, jackc... :)

 
 Thank you for standing up for newbies like myself, your commentary is most
 appreciated.  One day I wont be a newbie, until then I depend on more
 experienced users for their guidance.  One day I'll be able to coach
 newbies. LINUX IS a growing phenomenon.  But people of all experience levels
 must work to gether to keep it giong. I was turned on to Linux by the
 growing user support and the idea behind open source.  I appreciate anyone
 who helps in the distribution and education of this necessary idea.
 - Original Message -
 From: Michael D Beams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:07 AM
 Subject: Re: OT wrong attitude? was Re: [Newbie]Can't get mouse to work in X
 
  Look, as a technical support professional, I think this whole 'post and
  catch as catch can' is way out of whack.  First, I've read about people
  complaining that newbies keep asking the same questions over and over and
  the people then tell them to go somewhere else.  Did you look at the
  archives? they ask without telling the person where the archives are and
  how to search them, didn't you get the last post, some question, when
  this whole list /is there for the newbies in the first place!/  They are
  _told_ to subscribe to this list to get their questions answered.  They
  get the runaround instead.  Why is everyone so surprised if no one says
  whether it worked or not when feedback by e-mail is just
  'flavor-of-the-week'?  For that matter, why is anyone being sent to this
  list or even the list archives for answers to repeated questions? /That's
  what a FAQ is for!/  XFree86.org _used_ to have one posted for
  installation/troubleshooting questions at their website, but since
  dropped that in favor of this list as of version 3.3.5.
 
  I've sent at least _three_ questions of my own to this e-mail list.  Not
  a single one of them was directly answered even after I re-posted my
  original question with my machine load-out, XFree86 log, and XF86Config
  file.  I was basically told to go to hell on one, a.k.a. 'search the
  archives,' but you can only search the archives for a maximum of a year
  past via Google, provided you can wade through all the responses and
  somehow come up with more than just everyone repeating the same question.
   Probably this little flame will get me banned from this list, and I'm
  just as tired of seeing the same sad story play out as the next guy, but
  either /provide/ support for your product or lose your customer's
  interest.  That's the reality for Window$ and Micro$oft, and it's also
  the rule for both business and open source.  Not everyone is a
  prima-donna talent... get used to it.
 
  Stride the storm or it will dance you.
  Michael D. Beams
 
  
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Re: [Newbie]Compaq flat panel monitor FP720 on compaq presario with TNT-2 Ultra will not work correct


Martin Skov Rasmussen wrote:
 
 By closed source drivers from NVidia, do you mean the linux
 drivers that are for download at NVidia's homepage?

no, he means that nvidia doesnt share the source code for their
hardware.

jackc...

 Martin
  Tried closd source drivers from NVidia? closed source==evil but better than 
abandoning a TFT :)
 
 
  On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:49:22 +0200
  Jane  Martin Skjøth-Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I have tried to set-up X for some time now on my computer at home. I have two 
other PC's a stationary IBM with a CRT
   monitor, and a notebook both runs X without any difficulties, but my Compaq...
  
   I have tried for a couple of days to get the box working with X Redhat 7.3 and 
SuSE 7.3 both installs with a graphical
   installation routine, but once I try set set-up X. I either get no signal on my 
DVI flat panel monitor (Compaq FP720)
   or I get a very flickering test picture which rolls over the monitor. My graphic 
card is a TNT-2 Ultra (Creative) with
   outputs for a normal monitor, a DVI flat panel monitor and TV. I have tried many 
different monitor options but non has
   been successful.
  
   Any suggestions or do I simply have to give up my FP monitor (I'd rather not)?
  
   Regards
   Martin
  
 
 
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Re: [Newbie]thankyou!!!!!


Fred Bazolo wrote:

 
 Excellent! Very well put.

yes, but this isnt!!!

flame on!

 
 I might add that the same sorts of talents that allow certain
 individuals to sit for hours and days and weeks alone in their dark
 caves happily working on their computer code are probably not from the
 same bag of talents that allow one to be a successful social individual.
 In other words, it's a pretty safe bet that many of the people who are
 geniuses at computer code are social retards - it sometimes goes
 together that way.

gee, something like all women are bad drivers?! bullshit.

i'm surprised you'd bare such an assinine point of view in a
public forum. 

 
 The important thing is that even the retards are willing to help to the
 extent that they can.

you seem to be suggesting that newbie==retard?

what an interesting point of view, Not!

flame off

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Re: [Newbie]thankyou!!!!!


Cary Pembleton wrote:
 
 I regret to inform you and those like you that this forum is not for this purpose. 
Personal opinions should be kept to off this list.

you're right. my apologies for getting sucked into the moment, jackc...

 Thanks,
 PC Networks, Inc. and KY4U, LLC
 Cary Pembleton
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jack 
craig
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:03 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Newbie]thankyou!
 
 Fred Bazolo wrote:
 
  
  Excellent! Very well put.
 
 yes, but this isnt!!!
 
 flame on!
 
 
  I might add that the same sorts of talents that allow certain
  individuals to sit for hours and days and weeks alone in their dark
  caves happily working on their computer code are probably not from the
  same bag of talents that allow one to be a successful social individual.
  In other words, it's a pretty safe bet that many of the people who are
  geniuses at computer code are social retards - it sometimes goes
  together that way.
 
 gee, something like all women are bad drivers?! bullshit.
 
 i'm surprised you'd bare such an assinine point of view in a
 public forum.
 
 
  The important thing is that even the retards are willing to help to the
  extent that they can.
 
 you seem to be suggesting that newbie==retard?
 
 what an interesting point of view, Not!
 
 flame off
 
 jackc...
 
 
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Re: [Newbie]XFree86 4.1

2002-06-06 Thread jack craig

 fbdevHWGetType from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.o
 is unresolved!
 Symbol fbdevHWGetType from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.o
 is unresolved!
 Symbol fbdevHWDPMSSet from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.o
 is unresolved!
 Symbol fbdevHWSaveScreen from module
 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.o is unresolved!
 Symbol fbdevHWGetLineLength from module
 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.o is unresolved!
 Symbol fbdevHWGetLineLength from module
 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.o is unresolved!
 Symbol vgaHWCopyReg from module
 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/siliconmotion_drv.o is unresolved!
 Symbol vgaHWSetStdFuncs from module
 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/siliconmotion_drv.o is unresolved!
 Symbol vgaHWSetStdFuncs from module
 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/siliconmotion_drv.o is unresolved!
 
 Fatal server error:
 Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
 
 When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send
 the full server output, not just the last messages.
 This can be found in the log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log.
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Re: [Newbie]Debugging Xserver Crashes

2002-06-05 Thread jack craig


Skip Gaede wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What troubleshooting techniques are available for debugging server crashes on
 startup?
 
 I am using XFree 4.2.0 with the fbdev driver. I can start it without error
 when the filesystem is local, or if I put the same filesystem on a server,
 mount it RW and chroot to it. If I mount it RO (using tmpfs and symlinks ...)
 the driver displays about the top half of the screen and then crashes with no
 error indication other than
 
 Fatal server error:
 Caught signal 11. Server aborting.
 
 With the same NFS setup, I can startup the 3.3.6 XF68_FBDev driver.
 
 Thanks,
 Skip

you dont mention it, have you looked at /var/log/XFree* log files?

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Re: [Newbie]Debugging Xserver Crashes

2002-06-05 Thread jack craig


Skip Gaede wrote:

 
  you dont mention it, have you looked at /var/log/XFree* log files?
 
  jackc...
 
 Yes, nothing suspicious there. It actually looks like the one obtained when it
 boots normally :-(

ok, how about this, in the homedir of the user starting,
l -a .xse*

there are some .xsession-bla files, any of them got an error?

on other x configurations, there is an Xerror file, but i dont
find that on my linux world.

sorry,jackc...


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Re: OT wrong attitude? was Re: [Newbie]Can't get mouse to work in X

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Re: OT wrong attitude? was Re: [Newbie]Can't get mouse to work in X


Dexter Filmore wrote:
 
 On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:50:35 -0400
 Joel Limardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'll give that a try. If you don't hear from me again, it worked.
 
 Is it only me who thinks that this is not the right attitude among open source folks 
since there's a differnce between a community and a free supoort hotline?

you feel he should post success back to the group? or i miss your point?

without taking issue with your point, how about the gross bandwidth of
folks reporting successes(vs silently going on about business) ?

just asking, thanks,jackc...

 
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Re: OT wrong attitude? was Re: [Newbie]Can't get mouse to work in X


Dexter Filmore wrote:
 
  you feel he should post success back to the group? or i miss your
  point?
 
  without taking issue with your point, how about the gross bandwidth of
  folks reporting successes(vs silently going on about business) ?
 
 Nono, I don't wanna see 100s of SUCCESS! mails in my mailbox, too.
 What I menat was: I once asked some questions here, too, but stayed on
 the list and occasionally reply to the one or other thing if I can add
 my 0.02$.

i see. makes sense to me, jackc...
 
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Re: OT wrong attitude? was Re: [Newbie]Can't get mouse to work in X


Jason Forehand wrote:
 
 That was not my intent, But I have only been using Linux for 2 weeks, and am
 quite new to the scene, I do have alot of expierence I could share with a
 newbie, as I have been through the install process over 20 times.

dang! 20 times and still at it. clearly you got staying power! :)

jackc...


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 Subject: Re: OT wrong attitude? was Re: [Newbie]Can't get mouse to work in X
 
  It just sounded as if u only meant to drop in here, ask for support and
  vanish afterwards instead of staying in list and sharing your
  experiences and help others (which u can even as a newbie, at least you
  can help with that specific problem) If I got you wrong, I apologize.
 
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Re: [Newbie]XShm

2002-06-03 Thread jack craig


stijn wrote:
 
 hello!
 
 i was compiling e17, when i got the error 'XShm notf ound'.
 it seems this has something to do with the X-server, but i can't figure it out.
 
 any ideas?

your text is too shoprt to tell if you are missing the XShm.h header
or the Xext lib that it appears to go in.

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Re: [Newbie]Setting videoram for ATI all in wonder pro

2002-05-31 Thread jack craig

 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a
  (II) ATI(0): VESA BIOS detected
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE Version 2.0
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 8192 kB
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE OEM: ATI MACH64
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: MACH64GT
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: 01.00
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE DDC supported
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE DDC Level 2
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE DDC transfer in appr. 2 sec.
 (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE DDC read successfully
 (II) ATI(0): Manufacturer: SNY  Model: 770  Serial#: 5660380
 (II) ATI(0): Year: 1998  Week: 37
 (II) ATI(0): EDID Version: 1.1
 (II) ATI(0): Analog Display Input,  Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.300 V
 (II) ATI(0): Sync:  Separate  Composite  SyncOnGreen
 (II) ATI(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 33  vert.: 24
 (II) ATI(0): Gamma: 2.50
 (II) ATI(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display
 (II) ATI(0): redX: 0.625 redY: 0.340   greenX: 0.280 greenY: 0.595
 (II) ATI(0): blueX: 0.155 blueY: 0.070   whiteX: 0.283 whiteY: 0.298
 (II) ATI(0): Supported VESA Video Modes:
 (II) ATI(0): 1024x768@87Hz (interlaced)
 (II) ATI(0): 1024x768@60Hz
 (II) ATI(0): 1024x768@70Hz
 (II) ATI(0): 1024x768@75Hz
 (II) ATI(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
 (II) ATI(0): Supported Future Video Modes:
 (II) ATI(0): #0: hsize: 640  vsize 480  refresh: 85  vid: 22833
 (II) ATI(0): #1: hsize: 800  vsize 600  refresh: 85  vid: 22853
 (II) ATI(0): #2: hsize: 1280  vsize 1024  refresh: 60  vid: 32897
 (II) ATI(0): #3: hsize: 1024  vsize 768  refresh: 85  vid: 22881
 (II) ATI(0): #4: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75  vid: 20337
 (II) ATI(0): Supported additional Video Mode:
 (II) ATI(0): clock: 25.2 MHz   Image Size:  312 x 234 mm
 (II) ATI(0): h_active: 640  h_sync: 656  h_sync_end 752 h_blank_end 800
 h_border
 : 0
 (II) ATI(0): v_active: 480  v_sync: 490  v_sync_end 492 v_blanking: 525
 v_border
 : 0
 (II) ATI(0): Serial No: 5660380
 (II) ATI(0): Monitor name: CPD-200EST
 (II) ATI(0): Ranges: V min: 50  V max: 120 Hz, H min: 30  H max: 70 kHz,
 PixCloc
 k max 2550 MHz
 (--) ATI(0): ATI 3D Rage Pro graphics controller detected.
 (--) ATI(0): Chip type 4742 GB, version 4, foundry UMC, class 0, revision
 0x01
  (--) ATI(0): AGP bus interface detected;  block I/O base is 0xA800.
 (--) ATI(0): ATI Mach64 adapter detected.
 (!!) ATI(0): For information on using the multimedia capabilities
  of this adapter, please see http://gatos.sf.net.
 (--) ATI(0): Internal RAMDAC (subtype 1) detected.
 (==) ATI(0): RGB weight 888
 (==) ATI(0): Default visual is TrueColor
 (==) ATI(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
 (II) ATI(0): Using Mach64 accelerator CRTC.
 (II) ATI(0): Storing hardware cursor image at 0xEE7FFC00.
 (II) ATI(0): Using 8 MB linear aperture at 0xEE00.
 (!!) ATI(0): Virtual resolutions will be limited to 8191 kB
  due to linear aperture size and/or placement of hardware cursor image area.
 (II) ATI(0): Using Block 0 MMIO aperture at 0xEFEFF400.
 (II) ATI(0): Using Block 1 MMIO aperture at 0xEFEFF000.
 (==) ATI(0): Write-combining range (0xee00,0x80)
 (II) ATI(0): MMIO write caching enabled.
 (--) ATI(0): 8192 kB of SGRAM (1:1) detected (using 8191 kB).
 (WW) ATI(0): Cannot shadow an accelerated frame buffer.
 (--) ATI(0): Internal programmable clock generator detected.
 (--) ATI(0): Reference clock 29.500 MHz.
 (WW) ATI(0): config file hsync range 22-70kHz not within DDC hsync range
 30-70kH
 
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Re: [Newbie]New to X

2002-05-31 Thread jack craig


technical questions wrote:
 
 Hi Kurt,

my expectation is ...

 
 When I connect from Windows to a remote Solaris machine using exceed, does X need to 
run on both my machine and the Solaris box.

the  x server runs on the sun, your windows box is the client.

 Which is client and which is server? I heard X has a reverse
client-server concept.

i'll let more knowledgable folks comment on that assertion.


 Then from solaris, my application logs into a AS 400 (mainframe) machine and does 
updates. For this, I need to have the X process running on the Solaris. Does this X 
on Solaris come-into-picture when I connect from my Windows workstation to this 
Solaris?

i've not done this, but it should work in that fashion. 
x doesnt know your connecting client isnt unix.

 
 Another thing I want to confirm is that this X needs some video memory to run. This 
can either be provided by a Video Card, if I have it in my system, OR by installing 
the XVFB (X Virtual Frame Buffer). The difference between the two will be that I 
launch X in the first case and Xvfb in the second case. So Xvfb is also a complete X?
 
 There is also a :1 parameter in the processes shown below-
 
 /usr/openwin/bin/X :1 -dev /dev/fb0 -nobanner
 Xvfb :1 -shmem -fbdir /u02/redoak_out
 
 I want to know what does :1 and :0 mean. Can there be a :2 also?
 
 This :1 and :0 is tied to the DISPLAY variable on the Solaris. What exactly is 
this relation?

yup, the numeric is which x session to attach to. that is on my *nix
boxs,
i have virtual terminals tied to the F keys. i could start a kde session
and that would be the local X:0, but i could switch to a second F
session
and login, do a remote login to a second *nix box and start x telling
it,
use the :1, that would spawn a second desktop display on the sedond
session.

hth, jackc...
 
 Thanks for your help,
 
 Newbie.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:23:47 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Newbie]New to X
 
  Scribbling feverishly on May 28, technical questions managed to emit:
   Hey guys,
  
   I am completely new to this X thing. But had heard a lot about it and now NEED 
to know it.
   So the following questions follow -
  
   Whats X's primary purpose? (What am I missing without X? What will I gain with 
X?Why should I know X?)
 
  Without X, you don't have a graphical interface. That's not entirely true,
  but X is by far the most commonly used GUI for *nix. You don't have to
  have X to use *nix, but it really helps.
 
   Does X come into picture in Unix-based systems only AND/OR only when Windows 
interfaces with Unix based systems? (X is completely out of picture when in a 
completely windows based network/systems?)
 
  X has been implemented on all major operating systems, and many minor
  ones. You don't need X to work with a *nix system because command line
  utilities (telnet or ssh, for example) work just fine. You don't need X in
  completely Windows-based network.
 
   Where can I get a good resource starting with X fundamentals (server/client etc) 
and going upto xvfb and the DISPLAY variable of the solaris etc?
 
  I'm not quite sure I understand what you're asking here. If you just need
  to learn how to use an X-based system, any Linux or BSD system with an X
  installation should be sufficient.
 
  Kurt
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Re: [Newbie](no subject)

2002-05-24 Thread jack craig


Lee Shane Engel(Cont-Gert) wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I need to write an app that will get a list of all X windows that are
 running. I want to know if their is a way using Xlib to do this.
 
 I it is being written on a Sun 5.8 running Motif.
 
 I've been been reading for the past 48 hours without finding a way to do
 that particular task. All help is appreciated.
 
 Regards,
 Lee Engel

hi lee,

why not ask the processor, not the xserver.

ie, ps -ef | grep xterm  or whatever, then after filtering that list
of processes, you can ask the xserver for any additional details you
want?

just a thought, jackc...
 
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Re: [Newbie]setting up X for Dell M40

2002-05-23 Thread jack craig


Dirk Deckert wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 could you please help me out with the following problem?
 
 I can't setup X for my M40 Dell Notebook on a RedHat 7.2 platform. I
 have already downloaded and installed the newest NVIDIA drivers. The
 computer probes the card very well but as soon as it wants to start x an
 error occurs. When I took a look at the log file behind every resolution
 mode it says: hsync out of range or vsync out of range
 I use the 1600x1200 Dell Laptop monitor setting.

is it possible the pci hwscan fails and then all resolutions
are 'out of range' ? 

if this is a new card you are adding, is there a cmos resource
that must be enabled for this new hw to work?

i think its safe to say that the pci scan must work and be happy, so i'd
focus on that failure first.

still, this is just my wag, hth, jackc...
 
 Thank you for your help!
 Cheers,
 
 Dirk
 
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Re: [Newbie]Help


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Re: [Newbie]Using CTRL+ALT+F# and then back to X locks up


thelupine wrote:
 
 I take it from the lack of responses, that no one else has come across
 this, or doesn't have a fix for it just yet.  :-(

true.

however, i can offer some ideas. first, lets assume that 'lock up'
is really crash. if the x server dies, it may leave clues in either
your ~/.xsession-errors or maybe the system x error log file.

were it me, i'd look for clues as to the error output and start your
search from that rather than guessing what might have happened.

also, you might try doing a login from a different tty and doing
a startx from the login, maybe then if you switch and return, you'll 
get an error text to the screen.

lastly, i saw a bug like this in a driver handoff once, turned out
to be a driver bug in the context switching from graphics to text.

hth, jackc...

ps: does no  one else have your card working?

 
 If so, does anyone know of another place I might look into for the
 answers.  I've already tried the news groups, and found other people
 with the exact same problem, but they too are looking for a fix.  And
 ATI's site is useless.  Anywhere else?
 
 Any advice or help would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Lup
 
 On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 01:59, thelupine wrote:
  I just upgraded to Red Hat 7.3 which came with 4.2.  Now when I switch
  to a console using CTRL+ALT+F#, and then try to switch back to X
  (CTRL+ALT+F7), then screen becomes all scrambled, and it locks up on me.
 
  I have seen a few others ask about this, but not a resolution.  Is there
  one?
 
  I have already checked my Monitor/LCD sync resolutions, and they are the
  same they were for Red Hat 7.2 with XFree86 4.1, this is only happening
  on RH7.3 with XFree86 4.2. Any suggestions?
 
  Video:ATI Radeon Mobility 16MB
 
  TIA,
  Lup
 
  P.S.  This also locks up on me when I exit my Window Manager (E16.5).
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Newbie]how do you quit xdm?


dirk wrote:
 
 X runs fine.. I've even got a window manager that I like..
 
 ..but I'd like a graphical login.
 
 I can start xdm and it all works fine till I want to get out.  xdm
 restarts itself as fast as I can type ctrl-alt-bspc.  In the man pages
 it talks about SIGTERM in the controling xdm section, but I'm lost as
 to how to use it.
 
 I don't want to risk starting xdm again because hard booting is a bit
 rough on the fs's.  Any suggestions?

do one of the mouse buttons give a logout option?

for me, i think its the right button.

or switch screens and kill the x server! :)

jackc...

 
 Bye ya
 
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Re: [Newbie]Linux and the Radeon


Dexter Filmore wrote:
 
  Could someone please help.
  I have installed linux 7.2 with the Radeon 7000, the install seen the card
  and monitor(mit 72)

i am using suse 8.0 with its XF 4.2.0 integrated and it works pretty
well.

i dont know what your time is worth, but as cheap as linux is, it may be
less
expensive to change distro's :)

fyi, jackc...


 
 Okee dokee: first of all you are not running Linux 7.2. There is so such thing as 
Linux 7.2. What
 you prolly refer to is the version number of your distribution, which means the 
bundle of the Linux base system and
 a range of applications and tools. 7.2 should be RedHat or SuSE, if first you'll 
have to wait for other replies since I know crap about
 RedHat, if the latter you should upgrade XFree since SuSE 7.2 came with XF4.1.0 or 
so and everything older than XF4.2.0 causes nothing but
 trouble with Radeon boards (trust me I know what I'm talking about ;P ) or maybe you 
simply forgot to select certain packages.
 But more likely is you'll have to upgrade.
 Your Linux version btw should be 2.4.something, you can check in /usr/src by typing 
ls -l in case you installed the kernel sources.
 
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Re: [Newbie]there is no window when I start 'X'


 Lee, Myoung Ho wrote:
 
 
 I downloaded X420-x.tgz and unziped the files.
 
 And I added follow lines to host.def file to compile the sources to
 make 'TinyX'.
 #define  BuildServersOnly YES
 #define KDriveXServer YES
 #define TinyXServer YES
 
 Building the sources.
 $ make World
 $ make install
 
 Run the X
 $ X
 
 then the screen is changed to gray color and shows the 'x' mouse
 curser.
 that's all. there is no terminal or window manager.
 
 How can I run the window manager?

how about startx ?

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Re: [Newbie]Question about the monitor


Radek S. wrote:
 
 I would like to ask you about one thing
 can XFree 4.2.0 destroi my monitor ... ?
 2 weeks ago I have installed 4.2.0 on slackware
 I have maid a XF86Config  file automaticaly with the -configure option
 and I have switched it with the /etc/X11/XF86Config file
 then when I have run the startx command the monitor have crushed
 and I have to pay about 40 $ to repair it ...
 
 can someone explain me what happend ?

my wag is yes, if you have the card over driving the monitor,
i suppose that could hose the monitor

that is using refresh cycles faster than the monitor could handle?

just a wag, jackc...

 
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Re: [Newbie]Users


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 How does the user relationship work?
 
 I am set as the user that started the install at the moment. I have NT
 admin rights so does that mean that i have su rights at all?
 
 How do i change to root as well if i'm not set as root? Is there an admin
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hi nick,

you are sure having a tough time with NT, wouldnt it be easier to get a 
linux box? :)

ok, tongue out of cheek now, how about this, take a scratch computer,
install linux, get Xfree86 working correctly, then use that as the
template for how to coerce the NT into doing the right thing?

just a thought, jackc...
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Re: [Newbie]The XFree86 command is working properly but I don't know how to runKDE with it ... Can someone help?