[xmail] Re: move domains

2003-01-05 Thread Michal Altair Valasek

Hello,

If you need to move mail server, the recommended way is the following:

In the following I expect that old.domain.tld is old mail server,
new.domain.tld is new mail server for domain.tld.

1. Setup new.domain.tld as backup mail exchanger for domain.tld (it =
means:
setup the xmail using custdomains).
2. Setup DNS to have old.domain.tld as primary MX (as already is) and
new.domain.tld as secondary MX.
3. Wait some time, determined by refresh parameters of domain.tld.
4. Stop old.domain.tld and let it stopped forever.
5. Migrate all users and mailboxes to new server. It can be done by =
simply
moving the config files and mailboxes, but if moving between NT and UN*X =
you
need to change line ends accordingly. Don't forget to remove custdomains
from new.domain.tld.
6. Remove MX entry for old.domain.tld.

In the scenario above, no mail would be lost.

 P. F. 2003 - http://www.rider.cz/PF2K3/ 

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[xmail] Re: move domains

2003-01-05 Thread Andrew Joakimsen

I would rather move all the users and their Maildirs to the new server and
change the DNS entries and shutdown the old server. Mail might bounce from
some senders for a few hours, but after that it'll work great. Do some
testing first to see if you can just copy the domains folder and all your
config files over to the other server, since im not positive a
cross-platform transition would work.



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Hello,

If you need to move mail server, the recommended way is the following:

In the following I expect that old.domain.tld is old mail server,
new.domain.tld is new mail server for domain.tld.

1. Setup new.domain.tld as backup mail exchanger for domain.tld (it =
means:
setup the xmail using custdomains).
2. Setup DNS to have old.domain.tld as primary MX (as already is) and
new.domain.tld as secondary MX.
3. Wait some time, determined by refresh parameters of domain.tld.
4. Stop old.domain.tld and let it stopped forever.
5. Migrate all users and mailboxes to new server. It can be done by =
simply
moving the config files and mailboxes, but if moving between NT and UN*X =
you
need to change line ends accordingly. Don't forget to remove custdomains
from new.domain.tld.
6. Remove MX entry for old.domain.tld.

In the scenario above, no mail would be lost.

 P. F. 2003 - http://www.rider.cz/PF2K3/ 

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[xmail] Re: move domains

2003-01-05 Thread Michal Altair Valasek

| I would rather move all the users and their Maildirs to the 
| new server and
| change the DNS entries and shutdown the old server. Mail 
| might bounce from
| some senders for a few hours, but after that it'll work great.

Yes, it's too possible (and more simple), but it's not clean solution. But
it depends on how many users you have and how important it is.

-- Altair

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[xmail] Re: move domains

2003-01-05 Thread Paul Heijman

Hi,

If I understand the docs etc. I have to use the following in
'custdomains/domain.tld.tab' on the new server:
smtprelaytabip.old.server
Can I leave the defaults for -Qt, -Qi and -Qr? I think so because the
old server isn't down (yet)...

Tia,

Paul

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Hello,

If you need to move mail server, the recommended way is the following:

In the following I expect that old.domain.tld is old mail server,
new.domain.tld is new mail server for domain.tld.

1. Setup new.domain.tld as backup mail exchanger for domain.tld (it =
means:
setup the xmail using custdomains).
2. Setup DNS to have old.domain.tld as primary MX (as already is) and
new.domain.tld as secondary MX. 3. Wait some time, determined by refresh
parameters of domain.tld. 4. Stop old.domain.tld and let it stopped
forever. 5. Migrate all users and mailboxes to new server. It can be
done by = simply moving the config files and mailboxes, but if moving
between NT and UN*X = you need to change line ends accordingly. Don't
forget to remove custdomains from new.domain.tld. 6. Remove MX entry for
old.domain.tld.

In the scenario above, no mail would be lost.

 P. F. 2003 - http://www.rider.cz/PF2K3/ 

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[xmail] Re: move domains

2003-01-05 Thread Andrew Joakimsen

In that case you want to remove the old server as MX and setup the new
server as the primary MX, but the config should be as backup MX. When no
more mail is going to the old server (within 6 hours, but maybe 8-12 to be
safe) then shut down BOTH and transfer the files to the new one and make
sure it's no longer setup as backup MX for those domains. I'd also change
the address of the server to be the same as the old one so your clients dont
need to change their email settings.

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Hi,

If I understand the docs etc. I have to use the following in
'custdomains/domain.tld.tab' on the new server:
smtprelaytabip.old.server
Can I leave the defaults for -Qt, -Qi and -Qr? I think so because the
old server isn't down (yet)...

Tia,

Paul

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Subject: [xmail] Re: move domains



Hello,

If you need to move mail server, the recommended way is the following:

In the following I expect that old.domain.tld is old mail server,
new.domain.tld is new mail server for domain.tld.

1. Setup new.domain.tld as backup mail exchanger for domain.tld (it =
means:
setup the xmail using custdomains).
2. Setup DNS to have old.domain.tld as primary MX (as already is) and
new.domain.tld as secondary MX. 3. Wait some time, determined by refresh
parameters of domain.tld. 4. Stop old.domain.tld and let it stopped
forever. 5. Migrate all users and mailboxes to new server. It can be
done by = simply moving the config files and mailboxes, but if moving
between NT and UN*X = you need to change line ends accordingly. Don't
forget to remove custdomains from new.domain.tld. 6. Remove MX entry for
old.domain.tld.

In the scenario above, no mail would be lost.

 P. F. 2003 - http://www.rider.cz/PF2K3/ 

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[xmail] Re: move domains

2003-01-05 Thread Michal Altair Valasek

| If I understand the docs etc. I have to use the following in
| 'custdomains/domain.tld.tab' on the new server:
| smtprelaytabip.old.server

I recommmend to use simply smtp delivery for custdomains.

-- Altair

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[xmail] Re: move domains

2003-01-05 Thread Frederik Gallon

Guys be carefull ...

My last domain transfer (that is IP-change of a mailserver) it took 5 DAYS
to be propagated worldwide !
Some ISP think they can obey TTL and use their own refresh-rates. (It saves
them backbone trafic ??)
Just to let you know.

Frederik

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| If I understand the docs etc. I have to use the following in
| 'custdomains/domain.tld.tab' on the new server:
| smtprelaytabip.old.server

I recommmend to use simply smtp delivery for custdomains.

-- Altair

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[xmail] Re: move domains

2003-01-05 Thread Troy Rodriguez

Does the debian server host any mail domains as of right now or is it
setup as a backup?

Troy

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L.S.

I have two servers: one running Win2k and one running Debian. At the
moment the Win2k server is running a couple of mail domains, but I would
like to move them to the Linux server. (so I can take the Win2k server
offline and upgrade it to Debian ;-)

What is the best way to do this?
I have total control over the DNS entries for all domains. Should I
replicate mailusers.tab and the domains dir on the Linux server and then
change the dns entries or is this too simple? Also, what happens 'in
between': when a remote mail server has the old dns entry still in cache
and the user has the new entry? Or the other way around of course...

Thanks in advance,

Paul

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