Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
Very true, didnt mean to derail the topic, sorry. Just trying to learn as i go! Thanks again! On 4-Jun-08, at 3:05 PM, MC wrote: >> You may all have 'shared human errors', but i dont >> have that issue >> whatsoever :) I find it quite interesting the issues >> that you guys >> bring up with these drives. All manufactured goods >> suffer the same >> pitfalls of production. Would you say that WD and >> Seagate are the >> front runners or just the best marketed? > > It depends on the model more than the make, so to say. You're > better off asking about this on a storage forum... but the short > answer is it doesn't matter which disk you choose unless you have > some specific goal in mind, in which case you might choose the disk > with the best performance in this benchmark, or the lowest idle > power usage, or... etc. > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
> You may all have 'shared human errors', but i dont > have that issue > whatsoever :) I find it quite interesting the issues > that you guys > bring up with these drives. All manufactured goods > suffer the same > pitfalls of production. Would you say that WD and > Seagate are the > front runners or just the best marketed? It depends on the model more than the make, so to say. You're better off asking about this on a storage forum... but the short answer is it doesn't matter which disk you choose unless you have some specific goal in mind, in which case you might choose the disk with the best performance in this benchmark, or the lowest idle power usage, or... etc. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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You may all have 'shared human errors', but i dont have that issue whatsoever :) I find it quite interesting the issues that you guys bring up with these drives. All manufactured goods suffer the same pitfalls of production. Would you say that WD and Seagate are the front runners or just the best marketed? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
On Jun 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 11:52 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: >> but we got one server in >> where 4 of the 8 drives failed in the first two months, at which >> point we called Seagate and they were happy to swap out all 8 drives >> for us. I suspect a bad lot, and even found some other complaints >> about the lot on Google. > > Problems like that seem to pop up with disturbing regularity, and have > done so for decades. (Anyone else remember the DEC RA81 glue > problem in > around 1985-1986?) > > I've thought for some time that a good way to defend against the "bad > lot" problem (if you can manage it) is to buy half of your disks from > each of two manufacturers and then set up mirror pairs containing one > disk of each model... > > I think it's a bit more common to arrange to have same vendor parts, but different lots. There are still lots of potential correlations, shared chassis, shared power, etc. mean shared vibration, shared environment, and shared human error sources ;> -- Keith H. Bierman [EMAIL PROTECTED] | AIM kbiermank 5430 Nassau Circle East | Cherry Hills Village, CO 80113 | 303-997-2749 Copyright 2008 ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 11:52 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: > but we got one server in > where 4 of the 8 drives failed in the first two months, at which > point we called Seagate and they were happy to swap out all 8 drives > for us. I suspect a bad lot, and even found some other complaints > about the lot on Google. Problems like that seem to pop up with disturbing regularity, and have done so for decades. (Anyone else remember the DEC RA81 glue problem in around 1985-1986?) I've thought for some time that a good way to defend against the "bad lot" problem (if you can manage it) is to buy half of your disks from each of two manufacturers and then set up mirror pairs containing one disk of each model... - Bill ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:59, Darryl wrote: > good thing i asked about the seagates... i always thought they > were highly regarded. I know that everyone has their own opinions, > but this is still quite informative. I've always been partial to > seagate and WD, for not other reason than, thats all i've had :) Just to be clear, I don't think Seagate is doing any worse than any other vendor, and (given a small sample size) my WD's have had a higher infant mortality rate so far. The only thing making me chose WD for ZFS is TLDR: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awikipedia.org+WDTLER.EXE since Seagate just came out with a low-power drive. If somebody can show me how to tune a Barracuda like a WD, I'd probably switch back. If you can spend the money for an 'enterprise' Seagate this isn't an issue for you. Just the idea of what a hard drive is admits a bad idea (spinning rust-coated glass at 5000+ RPM with micrometer tolerances); it's just better than the other options right now. Hard drives fail. All of them. We get to bet on when and why, and employ things like ZFS to help deal with it. Even ZFS is helpless against small-odds events, though - sooner or later somebody will have 3 drives of their raidz2 fail over the same night. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
good thing i asked about the seagates... i always thought they were highly regarded. I know that everyone has their own opinions, but this is still quite informative. I've always been partial to seagate and WD, for not other reason than, thats all i've had :) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:40, Luke Scharf wrote: > All drives suck. Use RAID. :-) So true. I've been using Seagate Barracudas mostly because of their warranty, and they've been generally good, but we got one server in where 4 of the 8 drives failed in the first two months, at which point we called Seagate and they were happy to swap out all 8 drives for us. I suspect a bad lot, and even found some other complaints about the lot on Google. Current Barracudas are nice - some of the first 'parallel recording' ones ran really really (really) hot. I recently tried out a batch of Western Digital 'green' drives, and 1/4 was riddled with bad sectors (ZFS found these for me). I do think I'll be going with WD's for a big ZFS server build, though, since you can tune down the bad block retries on their "desktop" drives, and I don't know that there's a way to do that with Seagate's. The WD Velociraptors look really nice for ZFS cache drives, but it looks like that might be a bit not-quite-ready at this point (failures appear to hurt quite a bit), so I'll save two slots for a pair down the road. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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Darryl wrote: > Is there a consensus that seagate barracuda drives are worthwhile, stable, > etc...? > All drives suck. Use RAID. :-) -Luke ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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Is there a consensus that seagate barracuda drives are worthwhile, stable, etc...? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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Darryl wrote: > >From what i can understand (prtconf is gibberish to me :)), the other sys > >checks seem to recognize everything else, so seems to be all good with this > >board. > > Thank you for confirming this! > > ps. Not sure if this ok, but i came across a deal, i though i should pass > on.. a 1 TB Samsung drive for 169.99 (1/household) ends today. > > http://shop1.frys.com/category/Outpost/Hard+Drives+&+Memory/Hard+Drives/Internal+Bare+Drives?accipterAreaString= > > Last weekend's Fry's advertisement said "limit two per customer" so you might have better luck at the local store. NB. This is the Samsung HD103UJ which is a desktop model. If you can find a HE103UJ, then you get the enterprise-class model. AFAICT, the difference may just be warranty, bin, and firmware... but beware the bin! http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=61&subtype=63&model_cd=249&ppmi=1155 -- richard ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
>From what i can understand (prtconf is gibberish to me :)), the other sys >checks seem to recognize everything else, so seems to be all good with this >board. Thank you for confirming this! ps. Not sure if this ok, but i came across a deal, i though i should pass on.. a 1 TB Samsung drive for 169.99 (1/household) ends today. http://shop1.frys.com/category/Outpost/Hard+Drives+&+Memory/Hard+Drives/Internal+Bare+Drives?accipterAreaString= This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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Hi Darryl! > VAB: Did you have any issues with this board, or was everything detected, i > believe reading in the HCL that the sound card was not detected... I did not have any issues. Here's what prtconf says about the sound: prtconf -vpc /dev/sound/0 pci1043,8249, instance #0 System software properties: name='play-interrupts' type=int items=1 value=00af name='record-interrupts' type=int items=1 value=00af name='interrupt-priorities' type=int items=1 value=0009 Hardware properties: name='acpi-namespace' type=string items=1 value='\_SB_.PCI0.AZAL' name='assigned-addresses' type=int items=5 value=8300a210..fe02..4000 name='reg' type=int items=10 value=a200.....0300a210....4000 name='compatible' type=string items=7 value='pci1002,4383.1043.8249.0' + 'pci1002,4383.1043.8249' + 'pci1043,8249' + 'pci1002,4383.0' + 'pci1002,4383' + 'pciclass,040300' + 'pciclass,0403' name='model' type=string items=1 value='Mixed Mode device' name='power-cons The Device Driver Utility says that audiohd is attached. The audioplay tool works out of the box with some ancient .au files I have. However, I have not been able to convince either Rhythmbox or Totem to play anything at all... they complain about missing codecs etc. Since in typical Gnome fashion they don't say anywhere how to get codecs, I've given up on them. :-( For completeness, here's prtdiag: System Configuration: System manufacturer System Product Name BIOS Configuration: Phoenix Technologies, LTD ASUS M2A-VM ACPI BIOS Revision 1705 03/28/2008 Processor Sockets Version Location Tag -- AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ Socket AM2 Memory Device Sockets TypeStatus Set Device Locator Bank Locator --- -- --- --- DDR2in use 0 A0 Bank0/1 DDR2in use 0 A1 Bank2/3 DDR2in use 0 A2 Bank4/5 DDR2in use 0 A3 Bank6/7 On-Board Devices = Upgradeable Slots ID StatusType Description --- - 1 available PCI PCI1 2 available PCI PCI2 3 available PCI Express PCIEX16 4 available PCI Express PCIEX1_1 HTH -- Volker -- Volker A. Brandt Consulting and Support for Sun Solaris Brandt & Brandt Computer GmbH WWW: http://www.bb-c.de/ Am Wiesenpfad 6, 53340 Meckenheim Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 10513 Schuhgröße: 45 Geschäftsführer: Rainer J. H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
> Darryl wrote: > > This thread really messed me up, posts dont follow > a chronological order... so sorry for all the extra > posts! > > That's what you get when you don't use working tools > like usenet news. > nntp for ever!!! > > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discu > ss This is very true haha, and the page count on the forum page confuses me too, when i click second page i still enter the first page, haha.. I would prefer not to run a sata controller either, but i figure i would run my boot drives off them, as i will not be read/writing much from them, the speed should not be much of an issue (please correct me if i am wrong). VAB: Did you have any issues with this board, or was everything detected, i believe reading in the HCL that the sound card was not detected... Brandon: I like this board as you advised (GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H), but it only has 5 Sata ports, so i would still need a controller (if i wanted to run my boot disk in raid 1). I got all excited too! I do believe the less hardware the better, this one looked good (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131273), but wasn't on the supported list. Being that i'm new to all this, i'm weary of taking chances on my troubleshooting abilities, or my (bug you guys) and direction following. Thanks to everyone again. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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Darryl wrote: > This thread really messed me up, posts dont follow a chronological order... > so sorry for all the extra posts! That's what you get when you don't use working tools like usenet news. nntp for ever!!! ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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This looks like a great config, but I'm trying to avoid having to run a separate SATA Controller along with any BIOS issues it may have. Does anyone have experience with some of the gforce 8200 boards mentioned earlier in this thread, such as the ASUS M3N78-EMH HDMI? At @$90 with 6 SATA ports and decent onboard video, it would provide a good option... assuming that is is supported. Thanks! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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This thread really messed me up, posts dont follow a chronological order... so sorry for all the extra posts! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
I dont know what hapenned to the thread, i can only read up to the 6th post... But i have narrowed down my hardware for my build, and will commence purchasing it all slowly. Thank you to all that have assisted me! I am apologizing in advance, as i know when i have my equipment, i'll be bothering you once again, sorry! I am quite excited to get this started. I wish i could practice some zfs commands to learn, but i will continue reading meanwhile Darryl This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Darryl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sata Controller (26.99) > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132008 You may need to flash the BIOS on this card to disable the RAID features. I think you can get the correct image from the Silicon Image website. > Could this PSU fit in a micro atx case? > (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052) I searched > for dimensions etc, but i am assuming i need a microatx psu for a microatx > case, unfortunately there arent any high power ones, to run 6 sata drives. It would depend on the case. -B -- Brandon High [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The good is the enemy of the best." - Nietzsche ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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Sata Controller (26.99) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132008 Asus M2A-VM (79.99) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131174 CPU $39.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103199 Case $49.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154071 PSU $30.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338008 Sata power converter $1.89 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812816015 DVD Player $17.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827101131 Ram $84.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122 Complete redesign with the aid of the very helpful people on this site! Again i truly appreciate it. Could this PSU fit in a micro atx case? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052) I searched for dimensions etc, but i am assuming i need a microatx psu for a microatx case, unfortunately there arent any high power ones, to run 6 sata drives. I went through the HSL and for the most part everything ive listed is compatible, i hope.. Thanks again! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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> Consider a motherboard based on the R690G/SB600 chipset or the nVidia 7050. > > The ASUS M2A-VM (690) is $70 and has on board video. I think only the > sound is not supported. Likewise the nVidia ASUS M2N-VM (7050) is $70. > I believe both have only 4 SATA ports, but that should be ok for your > build. I have an M2A-VM. It runs 2008.05 just fine. I have not checked out sound support yet, but a driver is listed by the driver detection tool. It is correct that the board has 4 SATA ports. Regards -- Volker -- Volker A. Brandt Consulting and Support for Sun Solaris Brandt & Brandt Computer GmbH WWW: http://www.bb-c.de/ Am Wiesenpfad 6, 53340 Meckenheim Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 10513 Schuhgröße: 45 Geschäftsführer: Rainer J. H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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Brandon High wrote: > Inexpensive cases have inexpensive power supplies. > > Most of the Antec cases come with good power supplies. I have a > Thermaltake Matrix case that came with a PSU and it's been reliable > for 2 years. I believe the case and PSU was about $100. > I just picked up an Antec Earthwatts EA-650 power supply from NewEgg. It doesn't come in a case as far as I know, but it's very quiet and runs my AMD AM2 dual-core CPU very nicely. I'm now a fan. I've thinking about replacing a perfectly-useful Asus power supply that I have in another case with one of the Earthwatts series power supplies, due to the noise. Most of the weirdnesses that I associate with the power supply problems are hard to truly pin on the power supply. But a sub-par power-supply really can affect the stability of the system. Historically AMD CPUs have historically worked, but been unstable when paired with a sub-par power supply (I was able to pin one of these 100% on the power supply). This goes back as far as the original Athlons. Intel CPUs started being finicky around the time the Prescott was released. There are a lot of crappy power supplies out there for sale... I'd advise against skimping on the power supply. I've ordered new cases and/or power supplies for the last three of my home-builds -- and putting a good power supply in there really does correlate (but correlation != causation) with having a stable system. -Luke P.S. Anyone in Southwest Virginia want an Inwin Micro-ATX half-height case with a questionable 350-watt power supply? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Darryl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have read that PSU's that come with cases are far from reliable? Is this > truly the case? Inexpensive cases have inexpensive power supplies. Most of the Antec cases come with good power supplies. I have a Thermaltake Matrix case that came with a PSU and it's been reliable for 2 years. I believe the case and PSU was about $100. For my most recent build I looked at Silent PC Review and went with a Corsair 520W PSU based on their testing. -B -- Brandon High [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The good is the enemy of the best." - Nietzsche ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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AGHH thank you all for your responses! Took me a while to figure out this forum, as i was getting email responses and wasn't sure if i needed to reply here, so i apologize to those i emailed personally!! As advised by Brandon, the miniatx boards would have a lower power consumption, so i think i may have to go that route. So with this in mind, going to have to look for a supported board with all of my requirements. I have read that PSU's that come with cases are far from reliable? Is this truly the case? Once i set my mind on one thing i get new points of view :) I'm starting to purchase parts that i know will be universal (ie ram), so that i spread out the cost :) Can anyone comment on OS X compatibility with opensolaris for time machine, and regular shares? THANK YOU to all of you for your time and continued patience. This will be my first build if you haven't noticed... Darryl This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Darryl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MB $134.99 > ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16813131013 [..] > Video Card $19.99 > ASUS EN6200LE/TC256/TD/64 GeForce 6200LE 256MB(64MB on Board) 32-bit DDR PCI > Express x16 Video Card > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...tem=N82E16814121019R Consider a motherboard based on the R690G/SB600 chipset or the nVidia 7050. The ASUS M2A-VM (690) is $70 and has on board video. I think only the sound is not supported. Likewise the nVidia ASUS M2N-VM (7050) is $70. I believe both have only 4 SATA ports, but that should be ok for your build. -B -- Brandon High [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The good is the enemy of the best." - Nietzsche ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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Use froogle for price checking. I don't know what chipsets are supported by opensolaris, but if I were you I'd be looking hard at motherboards with as much integrated as possible. For instance, for less than $100 you can get a mini-atx motherboard with 6 SATA ports and onboard video. I found this out just by clicking the appropriate categories on the left side of newegg. Example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200022+107192530&name=NVIDIA+GeForce+8000 Pair a motherboard like that with the cheapest processor possible, a case that comes with a power supply, and a hard drive bay for the 5.25" case bays, and you're off like a bride's pajamas! I'd get wd6400aaks or wd7500aacs drives. the aacs (GP) drives are 5400rpm and vibrate less, which will cause less noise problems in most cases, if you know what I mean. As a bonus, some of the consumer AMD chipsets are compatible with unbuffered ECC memory, so you can use this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146525 . The memory you chose is not what you need. DDR2 667mhz * 2 is 1333mhz, which is a faster bus speed than the processor you chose. So you won't even use all the speed of 667 memory, not to mention the 800 memory you chose. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Darryl wrote: > My end goal is to use this box, to store my media files. Connect it > to my airport extreme router via gigabit ether, and depending on > situation access data via wifi (smb share) or ether via router > (iscsi), both on a Mac. Is it possible to do iscsi over wifi, aside > from speed limitations of the wireless, i wanted to format the drive > in hfs format. You should consider using SMB or NFS and storing the files in native ZFS filesystem format. I think that this would work better for ZFS snapshots than the single large file used by iSCSI. The files could be shared by more than one host, including being visible to your server for administrative purposes. ZFS snapshots of iSCSI disks are not assured to be coherent from the perspective of the remote host which uses it and will be more similar to what you get when you abruply unplug the power from your remote host unless you take care to shut down the remote host prior to snapshotting. Certainly Apple's journalling will help here, but journalling works by losing some data. Bob == Bob Friesenhahn [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Darryl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible to do iscsi over wifi, aside from speed limitations of the > wireless, i wanted to format the drive in hfs format. It should be, it's just IP. But why not use CIFS to share it instead? It'd be more portable across OSes and just as fast. > PSU $54.99 > Rosewill RP550-2 ATX12V v2.01 550W Power Supply 115/230 V CSA,UL,TUV, FCC - > Retail > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16817182017 I'd buy something else, honestly. The Corsair 650TX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005 is only $100, has more power, eliminates the need for the power adapters you've got listed, would leave more room for future expansion, and it's probably more efficient too. Will ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Hardware Check, OS X Compatibility, NEWBIE!!
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Darryl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is my first post here, and i hope it is ok that i posted in this > thread. > > I have been doing a bit of reading on the solaris platforms, and seem to be > inclined to try out the open solaris os or solaris 10. My only worry is that > my lack of knowledge with the command line may make this difficult regarding > trouble shooting. It seems fairly straighforward creating zpools etc, but > maybe nexenta is better suited for me (i read about some memory limitation > with nexenta?). > > My end goal is to use this box, to store my media files. Connect it to my > airport extreme router via gigabit ether, and depending on situation access > data via wifi (smb share) or ether via router (iscsi), both on a Mac. Is it > possible to do iscsi over wifi, aside from speed limitations of the > wireless, i wanted to format the drive in hfs format. > > My proposed build thus far... > > CPU (39.99) > AMD Athlon 64 LE-1600 2.2GHz 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 45W Single-Core > Processor - Retail > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16819103199 > MB $134.99 > ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - > Retail > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16813131013 > > PSU $54.99 > Rosewill RP550-2 ATX12V v2.01 550W Power Supply 115/230 V CSA,UL,TUV, FCC - > Retail > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16817182017 > > Sata power converter $1.89 > Nippon Labs 4-Pin PC power to 2 x SATA Converter Cables Model POW-SATA-2 - > Retail > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16812816015 > > Ram $84.99 > G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel > Kit Desktop Memory - Retail > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16820231122 > > Video Card $19.99 > ASUS EN6200LE/TC256/TD/64 GeForce 6200LE 256MB(64MB on Board) 32-bit DDR > PCI Express x16 Video Card > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...tem=N82E16814121019R > > DVD Player $17.99 > Sony NEC Optiarc Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model > DDU1615/B2s - OEM > http://www.newegg.com/Product/...Item=N82E16827101131 > > 80gig sata drive for the OS, and 4 500gig seagate 7200.10 drives. > > While planning this out, it seemed that all of the parts i chose are > supported by solaris, please correct me if im wrong. Do you see any issues > with this setup? I'm looking to build this box as cheaply as possible, BUT > as reliable as possible as well. (any other suggestions for places that may > have parts cheaper? ) > > Thank you all for your patience, this is quite a steep learning curve! > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss I'd strongly consider a second 80gb drive and raid-1 your operating system drive. While you won't lose any ZFS data if it goes down, rebuilding a server, especially after custom configuration, can be a pain. Restoring from backup even more so :D ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
