Re: [ZION] Good Feelings
John & all the others on this list I too hope good feelings can always be maintained on ZION. I will be the first to admit that good feelings are hard to deal with when your medium is the printed word. I have had more than my share of apologizing to people upset thru e-mails I sent which were not carefully thought out or proof read before sending. the term "rip roaring" discussion causes me some concern-- I favor the approach we always shared with our kids-- if you are having a good time, stop to make sure that everyone else is having a good time also. Bob Taylor >One of the things I love about the Zion list is the feeling that we are all >good friend even though we disagree about a lot of things. Even Marc >Schindler, who was as close to a Marxist as I ever met on this list argued >with me and the rest of us as if he felt a deep affection for us. Wouldn't >you agree. > >I really hope that as we slam Ron Scott, and get slammed in return, we can >all keep some good feelings towards each other. We don't have to dislike >someone just because he disagrees with us. I'm sure there is a lot that we >can do to engender good feelings on the list and still have a rip-roaring >discussion, aren't you? > > >John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] >=== >"While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we >must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, >soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding." (President >Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) >=== >All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR > >// >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >/ ** "There are no coincidences, only small miracles." Author Unknown ** // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Punch their lights out
And what a great disguise he had. . .acting like he was an anti-communist. I mean, how else would McCarthy have "known" (suspected) of so many communists --and yet he went after all the wrong people? Coincidence? or Conspiracy? ;-) val On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:47:30 -0700 Steven Montgomery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > COMMUNIST SPIES HAD SATURATED U.S. GOVERNMENT > > The opening of the KGB archives and the release of the VENONA > intercepts > (decoded Soviet KGB and GRU traffic) proved that in the 1950's > Senator > Joseph McCarthy was absolutely right about the extensive Soviet > penetration > of the U.S. government in all the most sensitive sections and its > danger to > America. .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Left vs. Right
That's right! It's all John Ashcroft's fault. > -Original Message- > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:29 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [ZION] Left vs. Right > > > I don't know which party I am more upset with, the Democrats for dragging > the country to the left, or the Republicans for putting up the sham fight > that let them do it. --JWR > > // > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > // > /// > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Soccer Rules!
I would MUCH rather watch a soccer game (or lacrosse game...or hockey game...) than watch basketball. I can't STAND basketball! Watching it is, for me, like being in the same room with a person who is running their fingernails down a blackboard. And... not only is basketball a terrible sport, in my opinion, but the players - in addition to being freaks of nature - are spoiled brats who make way too much money for what they do. Of course, there are many players of other sports who are spoiled brats, also, but it seems to me that basketball players are amongst the worst of the lot. Soccer, lacrosse and hockey are such exciting games, and even more so when one understands the rules & strategy. One of my sisters plays on a co-ed soccer team in the Washington DC area. Recently, she got a yellow card (a foul, in other words); the ref made what my sister felt to be a terrible call and so, as she walked past him, she muttered "moron" under her breath. The ref heard her and gave her a yellow card. That's my Kimi! Just my 2 cents worth... Heidi the fair > [Original Message] > From: Rusty Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 11/13/2003 11:45:15 PM > Subject: Re: [ZION] Soccer Rules! > > Soccer in my personal opinion requires a lot more of everything than > almost any other sport, and with all due respect to foot ball fans, there > is no comparison between the two in terms of the physical and mental > demands-- soccer wins easily; foot ball-- the players get to take all > sorts of breaks. soccer-- you run the whole time, 45 minute? halves and > don't have the benefit of protective padding like our football players do. > if you can't crawl off the field due to an injury, they will stop the game > long enough to get you out of the way, and then it's back to the game :) > > while it is true that normal size people can play soccer- for example, i > was chief bench warmer on my college team- to make any headway in the > sport, you have to be good. the rest of the world plays soccer like we play > baseball-- they are crazy about it. a few months ago we had a demonstration > womanes game (I think) here in Seattle-- people flew in from Europe by the > 1000's to see the game, and it was not even a league game ! > > if you really want to drive dull nails into your head-- well, that's your > choice, but personally, I find soccer a lot more fun to watch than baseball > or football. instead of nails, try flaming bamboo splinters under your > fingernails :) > > just my opinion. > > Bob Taylor > > > > > >From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >I don't feel the way you do about football, soccer and baseball. > >Professional football in this country cannot be played by > >ordinary people. They have to be giants. It is the same way > >with basketball: the best players are virtually freaks. But > >normal sized people can play soccer. > >-- > >Exactly my point. Soccer is a wimpy sport that anyone can play. > >Well, almost anyone. I'm so wimpy I probably couldn't play it. > >-- > >As for baseball, well... when my kids all got stuck out in right > >field while the coaches kid got to be pitcher I learned that > >baseball, softball actually, wasn't much of a sport except for a > >favored few. When I put my kids in soccer they all got to play > >their guts out every minute that they were in good enough shape > >to play. > >-- > >Grampa Bill never let any of us kids play sports. He thought > >that we wouldn't study if we were playing. I guess I showed him. > >I didn't study anyway. :-) > > > >At the time I wasn't too concerned about not playing sports, but > >now I wish I had done something. I will admit that those who > >play soccer seem to have a good time. I personally don't see how > >you can call it "shooting" when the kicked ball goes no where > >near the goal. So I will grant you a point on soccer perhaps > >being a fun game to play. But I think I would rather drive dull > >nails into my temples than to have to sit through watching a > >soccer match. > > > >Cousin Bill > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >"Our country, right or wrong. When > >right, to be kept right. When wrong, > >to be put right." -- Carl Schurz > > > >/// /// > >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >/// // > > ** >"There are no coincidences, only small miracles." Author Unknown > > ** > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / >
[ZION] Communism and the Terrorist Connection
Stanislav Lunev was a Colonel in Russian Military Intelligence (GRU). In 1992 he defected to the west and subsequently wrote a book entitled, _Through the Eyes of the Enemy_. In this book Lunev makes an interesting revelation: "the support and sponsorship of terrorist actions is more than justified for the GRU." He then tells how the Japanese Aum Shinryko cult was trained by Russian Spetsnaz squads. He then goes on, "Most of the Arab terrorist groups were also trained by Spetsnaz," and "[In] the early 1990s, the GRU decided that it would train any terrorist group that was able to pay for it." -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communism is Satan's counterfeit for the gospel plan, and . . . it is an avowed enemy of the God of the land. (Marion G. Romney, 1st Presidency Message, September 1979) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Status of Communism
Here is an excerpt from an article by J. R. Nyquist, who in my opinion is one of the leading experts on Communism: You see, when communism died all the communists, all at once, were raptured (like Christians during the "end times"). All those professors at your local university who once talked glowingly of Karl Marx, Uncle Ho and Fidel, were caught up in the clouds and carried off. All that left wing agitation against war and imperialism, all those peace protestors, the Green Party, the politically correct crowd -- none of their ideas have anything in common with communist ideas. And that's why they were "left behind." It's only a coincidence that they hate capitalism, yearn for the collective ownership of the means of production and love the underprivileged. Just because these people subscribe to all the major communist ideas of the past, it doesn't mean they're communists. Please remember your history. The world's communists were caught up in the twinkling of an eye, on Christmas Day 1991, and nobody has seen hide nor hair of them since. For those interested further, you can read the whole article here: http://www.jrnyquist.com/nyquist_2003_1109.htm -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wishing to advance in a room full of people, I do not walk through the aisle and straight toward my goal. Nor do I move slowly through the crowd shaking hands with friends and acquaintances, discussing points of interest, gradually nearing the objective. The dialectical pathway is different. It consists of a resolute forward advance followed by an abrupt turn and retreat. Having retreated a distance there is another turn and advance. Through a series of forward-backward steps the goal is approached. To advance thus is to advance dialectically. The Communist goal is fixed and changeless, but their direction of advance reverses itself from time to time. They approach their goal by going directly away from it a considerable portion of the time. Lenin wrote the textbook, One Step Forward, Two Steps Back. Chinese Communist schoolchildren are taught to do the dialectical march taking three steps forward and two steps back. If we judge where the Communists are going by the direction in which they are moving we will obviously be deceived. (Dr. Fred Schwarz, Founder of the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade and Author of, _You Can Trust the Communists: To be Communists_) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Good News Sources
At 05:52 PM 11/14/2003, you wrote: Ron, What do you feel are some of the best news sources on the Web? How about off the Web? I know that Marc Schindler continually gushed over the Economist, and truth be told, I found it a good source of news. But I still read "The New American," "Newsmax," and "Worldnet Daily" on the Web. They make no pretense of objectivity, but they give me the right-wing slant that I can't get anywhere else. What am I overlooking. I'm a little bored with the news sources I've been using. I'd like to try something new. John W. Redelfs Once in a while I visit www.jrnyquist.com for a little different viewpoint of the "right wing slant." -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moscow's Strategy. . . The dialectic of this offensive consists of a calculated shift from the old, discredited Soviet practice to a new, "liberalized" model, with a social democratic Facade, to realize the communist planners strategy for establishing a United Europe. At the beginning they introduced a variation of the 1968 Czechoslovakian 'democratization.' At a later phase they will shift to a variation of the Czechoslovakian takeover of 1948. -Anatoliy Golitsyn, _New Lies for Old_, 1984 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Good News Sources
Ron, What do you feel are some of the best news sources on the Web? How about off the Web? I know that Marc Schindler continually gushed over the Economist, and truth be told, I found it a good source of news. But I still read "The New American," "Newsmax," and "Worldnet Daily" on the Web. They make no pretense of objectivity, but they give me the right-wing slant that I can't get anywhere else. What am I overlooking. I'm a little bored with the news sources I've been using. I'd like to try something new. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding." (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Good Feelings
One of the things I love about the Zion list is the feeling that we are all good friend even though we disagree about a lot of things. Even Marc Schindler, who was as close to a Marxist as I ever met on this list argued with me and the rest of us as if he felt a deep affection for us. Wouldn't you agree. I really hope that as we slam Ron Scott, and get slammed in return, we can all keep some good feelings towards each other. We don't have to dislike someone just because he disagrees with us. I'm sure there is a lot that we can do to engender good feelings on the list and still have a rip-roaring discussion, aren't you? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding." (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
Okay/ > -Original Message- > From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 4:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > > Ron, > It was tongue in cheek. I guess I should have used an emoticon. Since > Till was asking about New York, I used it as the center of the joke. Had > it been in the South, I'd might have used Strom Thurmond > Gary > > Ron Scott wrote: > > > > I love the way some of you apply gospel doctrine in your lives. Amazing. > > > > RBS > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:54 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > > > > > > > > I don't think Dantes figured on that many layers of hell. Who > would have > > > > > > known that NY would elect Hitlary, Schumer, and isn't there a > Kennedy in > > > > > > there somewhere also? > > > > > > Gary Smith > > > > > > Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: > > > > > > > > At 07:57 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, St Jon wrote: > > > > >If this were lds-poll, I would say that there was a third hell, > > > > >something > > > > >about Mass. and one of their Senators. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, what about us New Yorkers? > > > > > > > > Till the downtrodden > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald (Gary) Smith > > > geraldsmith@ juno.com > > > http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom > > > > > > // > > > > > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > > > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > > // > > > /// > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald (Gary) Smith > geraldsmith@ juno.com > http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom > > // > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > // > /// > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
> -Original Message- > From: Stephen Beecroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 4:11 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > > -Ron- > > I love the way some of you apply gospel doctrine in your lives. > > Amazing. > > I've gotta tell you, Ron, that I've been thinking exactly the same thing > while reading your posts to this list for the last week. > > Stephen Perhaps. I'd be interested in seeing examples of what you're talking about. But, unlike you guys, I make no pretense of being conventional. RBS // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Left vs. Right
I don't know which party I am more upset with, the Democrats for dragging the country to the left, or the Republicans for putting up the sham fight that let them do it. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Starts with G "guests"
Tom Matkin wrote: Sonnet 133 (Some children live for only just a while) by Tom Matkin, March 30, 2002 Some children live for only just a while Mere visitors not really part of us Perhaps they've proved themselves without this trial Not needing but a touch of all this fuss. It wounds us when they get their final call We grieve and fret and feel the hand of pain Invested as we are in loving all It hurts, but it's our duty to remain. We know they meet with glory where they go They lose no blessings from their shortened stay And leave their touch of heaven's love below To spark resolve to live a better way. So one day when our earthly stay is done Brief guests and us can once again be one. This was truly beautiful, Tom. Thanks. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Does anyone know?
Getting back to the original topic, I find it quite telling that not one person has mentioned the World Cup volleyball. I take that to mean that though it is called the World Cup, little if any attention is being paid to it in America. Just to give a quick recap of the two matches I know, America beat Japan (Yeah!) and Japan beat Cuba (Yeah!) You'll have to find someone more interested than I to find out anything else. Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right." -- Carl Schurz // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Starts with G "guests"
I guess I hit the "enter" button too soon on that last post. Here's the meat in the sandwich. Sonnet 133 (Some children live for only just a while) by Tom Matkin, March 30, 2002 Some children live for only just a while Mere visitors not really part of us Perhaps they've proved themselves without this trial Not needing but a touch of all this fuss. It wounds us when they get their final call We grieve and fret and feel the hand of pain Invested as we are in loving all It hurts, but it's our duty to remain. We know they meet with glory where they go They lose no blessings from their shortened stay And leave their touch of heaven's love below To spark resolve to live a better way. So one day when our earthly stay is done Brief guests and us can once again be one. Tom "I just pretend I'm a princess, and that I could summarily have her executed at any time according to my own pleasure. It gives me great comfort!" (The Little Princess) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Starts with G "guests"
"I just pretend I'm a princess, and that I could summarily have her executed at any time according to my own pleasure. It gives me great comfort!" (The Little Princess) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
Gerald Smith wrote: It's good for us to have more than one viewpoint, even if we don't agree. It should challenge us to consider and reconsider our personal ideas on things, to ensure we are standing on solid ground, or at least on ground that isn't too swampy. Gary Smith === Grampa Bill asks: Is that "swampy" comment another swipe at Savannah? Down here, standing on swampy land is about our only option. Love y'all. Grampa Bill in Savannah (About twenty miles from Mort Walker's Camp Swampy, home of General Amos T. Halftrack, Major Greenbrass, Captain Scabbard, Lieutenant Fuzz, Sergeant Snorkel, and Private Beetle Bailey, not to forget America's sweetheart, Miss Buxley) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
Gerald Smith wrote: Had it been in the South, I'd might have used Strom Thurmond Gary Ron Scott wrote: I love the way some of you apply gospel doctrine in your lives. Amazing. RBS -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition I don't think Dantes figured on that many layers of hell. Who would have known that NY would elect Hitlary, Schumer, and isn't there a Kennedy in there somewhere also? === Grampa Bill comments: I'm not sure who said what to whom, but don't even think about putting the illustrious and much beloved Strom Thurmond in the same context with the Hildebeast, Chuckie, and the Chappaquiddick Kid. You don't want to go there... :-| Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Zell Miller
Democratic Senator Zell Miller of Georgia has written an interesting book on his party. He criticizes them for going so far left, and rejecting some of its former ideals, including being the party of the downtrodden and regular guy. I must say, as I recollect my younger years, my parents were stolid Democrats. They voted for JFK, LBJ, voted for HHHumphrey, gathered petition signatures to have Jerry Ford impeached for pardoning Nixon, voted the first time for Carter. But with the majority of America, they started seeing the Dems slip farther and farther to the left until they could no longer recognize it as the party they had believed in for so long. They were Reagan Democrats. With me, they voted the first time for Ross Perot, being disgusted with Bush Sr's lie on "no new taxes." But were even more disgusted with Clinton's lies. Dad's now gone, but Mom is rather satisfied with "W" Bush, though in my view, he's okay, but definitely not a Reagan. I would like to see the Dems return to where they once were. Where the Zell Millers and JFKs had dreams on how the government could work hand in hand with the people of the nation to accomplish much good. Instead, Zell is the lone voice on the national level of the Dems, decrying their socialistic antics and lack of love for America's purpose. I wish we could regain the party of Jefferson, for those of us who truly believe we are Jeffersonian Democrats. Gary Smith Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism
At 01:26 PM 11/14/2003, you wrote: They spent years angry with one another for the political rivalry they had, refusing to speak to each other. Then in their elder years, they began writing to one another. They forgave each other and became close pen pals. Interesting that John Adams' last words were: "Thomas Jefferson still lives", yet Jefferson had passed away a few hours before IIRC. Gary Thomas Jefferson, in his handwritten instructions for his own tombstone, stated that he wanted to be remembered for three things--Author of the Declaration of Independence, Author of the Statute of Virginia for religious freedom, and Father of the University of Virginia. http://www.harcourtschool.com/activity/jefferson/j_ba.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Editor, The Constitutional Broadside Newsletter http://www.thecbn.net // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
Which is what makes having Ron around so fun. It's good for us to have more than one viewpoint, even if we don't agree. It should challenge us to consider and reconsider our personal ideas on things, to ensure we are standing on solid ground, or at least on ground that isn't too swampy. Gary Smith Stephen Beecroft wrote: > > -Ron- > > I love the way some of you apply gospel doctrine in your lives. > > Amazing. > > I've gotta tell you, Ron, that I've been thinking exactly the same thing > > while reading your posts to this list for the last week. > > Stephen Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
Ron, It was tongue in cheek. I guess I should have used an emoticon. Since Till was asking about New York, I used it as the center of the joke. Had it been in the South, I'd might have used Strom Thurmond Gary Ron Scott wrote: > > I love the way some of you apply gospel doctrine in your lives. Amazing. > > RBS > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:54 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > > > > > I don't think Dantes figured on that many layers of hell. Who would have > > > > known that NY would elect Hitlary, Schumer, and isn't there a Kennedy in > > > > there somewhere also? > > > > Gary Smith > > > > Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: > > > > > > At 07:57 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, St Jon wrote: > > > >If this were lds-poll, I would say that there was a third hell, > > > >something > > > >about Mass. and one of their Senators. > > > > > > > > > Hey, what about us New Yorkers? > > > > > > Till the downtrodden > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald (Gary) Smith > > geraldsmith@ juno.com > > http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom > > > > // > > > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > // > > /// > > > > > Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
-Ron- > I love the way some of you apply gospel doctrine in your lives. > Amazing. I've gotta tell you, Ron, that I've been thinking exactly the same thing while reading your posts to this list for the last week. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
I love the way some of you apply gospel doctrine in your lives. Amazing. RBS > -Original Message- > From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:54 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > > I don't think Dantes figured on that many layers of hell. Who would have > known that NY would elect Hitlary, Schumer, and isn't there a Kennedy in > there somewhere also? > > Gary Smith > > Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: > > > > At 07:57 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, St Jon wrote: > > >If this were lds-poll, I would say that there was a third hell, > > >something > > >about Mass. and one of their Senators. > > > > > > Hey, what about us New Yorkers? > > > > Till the downtrodden > > > > > > Gerald (Gary) Smith > geraldsmith@ juno.com > http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom > > // > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > // > /// > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism
They spent years angry with one another for the political rivalry they had, refusing to speak to each other. Then in their elder years, they began writing to one another. They forgave each other and became close pen pals. Interesting that John Adams' last words were: "Thomas Jefferson still lives", yet Jefferson had passed away a few hours before IIRC. Gary Steven Montgomery wrote: > > At 10:13 AM 11/14/2003, Gary wrote: > > >define freedom. There are huge chasms of difference between John Adams > >the forefather and Thomas Jefferson the forefather. > > Whatever differences they had, I find it interesting, and perhaps not > mere > coincidental, that both men died within hours of each other, July 4th > 1826--the Jubilee (Fiftieth) anniversary of the signing of the > Declaration > of Independence. > > > > -- > Steven Montgomery > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Do I err, then, in believing that the universe is built upon symbols, to > > the end that it may bear record of its all-wise Architect and Builder? > God > teaches with symbols; it is his favorite method of teaching. The Savior > often used them. (Orson F. Whitney, Improvement Era, August 1927) > Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out
Ron Scott wrote: --- Ah, I'm less than semi-rational. I suppose I'll validate your name calling if I say I don't agree with you. Not agreeing with you is prima facie evidence that I am less than semi-rational, right? --- Not agreeing with me is evidence that we do not agree. No surprise in that. We can still talk, can't we? RBS: --- It's possible that communism could be revived in some former republics of the USSR. --- No dramatic "revival" would be required for many formerly communist countries. Just a transition back to old familiar ways. Isn't it rather academic that any socio-political group which believes communism is the best viable economic and political system could assume power. Particularly in unstable countries where there is nothing competing for that niche. In spite of your light dismissal, there are still plenty of folks in evidence even in this country who are devoted to Marxist ideals. They would welcome another chance. RBS: --- True enough. But the alternative to democracy isn't necessarily communism. --- Oh? You think monarchy or feudal fiefdom are still popular up-and-coming governments? RBS: --- We'll please be specific about my speciousness, if it's not too much to ask. --- Don't play dumb. Your characterizations of Benson are nearly unanimously polemic. Lableling him as "the icon of the right wing" can hardly be taken as an even-handed compliment by anyone. RBS: --- I listen to him and many others. --- Yes--there's listening, then there's listening. RBS: --- You are putting words in my mouth, drawing inferences that have NO BASIS IN FACT,Brother Jim. --- Eh. I only put words in my own mouth. Yours is way too far away. RBS: --- ...whether theres a commy in every commode. --- In your face, Ron. This was your (obviously polemic) characterization. Want to change the tone of the discussion? Go ahead, I'll reciprocate. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism
At 10:13 AM 11/14/2003, Gary wrote: define freedom. There are huge chasms of difference between John Adams the forefather and Thomas Jefferson the forefather. Whatever differences they had, I find it interesting, and perhaps not mere coincidental, that both men died within hours of each other, July 4th 1826--the Jubilee (Fiftieth) anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do I err, then, in believing that the universe is built upon symbols, to the end that it may bear record of its all-wise Architect and Builder? God teaches with symbols; it is his favorite method of teaching. The Savior often used them. (Orson F. Whitney, Improvement Era, August 1927) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out
At 10:02 AM 11/14/2003, Ron Scott wrote: Surprise. Believe it or not Jim, like you I believe its far more importance for our nation to be concerned about national defense and security than to turn into a nation of worry warts over whether theres a commy in every commode. Believe it or not--but I absolutely agree with you in this particular. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The United States goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is a well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. If the United States took up all foreign affairs, it would become entangled in all the wars of interest and intrigue, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own soul." --President John Quincy Adams // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out
At 01:54 PM 11/13/2003, Ron Scott asked: Where, in your opinion, is the "communist" threat today. And, please don't post reams of stuff I've read before. Tell me what YOU think. Ok, here are a few things that come to mind: 1. Communism still very much rules over a great portion of the earth. China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam., etc. 2. Marxist-Leninist Terrorist Organizations still operate in many parts of the world. Such as the Shining Path, FARC, Tamil Tigers, etc. Incidentally, my wife's uncle, Ray Rising, was captured and held by Marxist-Leninist Guerrilla's (The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia or FARC) for 810 days. He wrote a book of his ordeal which you can read about here: http://www.bible.org/docs/br/bookreview-21.htm 3. That the policies of Glasnost and Perestroika are "Potemkin Villages," setup to lull the United States and the rest of the West to sleep. I find it interesting, for example, that Putin was a "former" KGB agent and that Gorbachev, in his book, _Perestroika_ admitted that he is still very much a Marxist. 4. China's "Opening to the West" is very much following the Marxist strategy of dialectical advance. China admits in an official "White Paper," available on their website, that the purpose of trade is to build up their Manufacturing and Military infrastructure while at the same time weakening the west. These are just a few of my thoughts--but perhaps you had a more specific question in mind? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wishing to advance in a room full of people, I do not walk through the aisle and straight toward my goal. Nor do I move slowly through the crowd shaking hands with friends and acquaintances, discussing points of interest, gradually nearing the objective. The dialectical pathway is different. It consists of a resolute forward advance followed by an abrupt turn and retreat. Having retreated a distance there is another turn and advance. Through a series of forward-backward steps the goal is approached. To advance thus is to advance dialectically. The Communist goal is fixed and changeless, but their direction of advance reverses itself from time to time. They approach their goal by going directly away from it a considerable portion of the time. Lenin wrote the textbook, One Step Forward, Two Steps Back. Chinese Communist schoolchildren are taught to do the dialectical march taking three steps forward and two steps back. If we judge where the Communists are going by the direction in which they are moving we will obviously be deceived. (Dr. Fred Schwarz, Founder of the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade and Author of, _You Can Trust the Communists: To be Communists_) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out
> -Original Message- > From: Jim Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out > > > > Ron Scott wrote: > --- > Where, in your opinion, is the "communist" threat today. > --- > > Don't be silly. < I wasn't being silly. It was a sincere question. >Eastern-bloc communism could be revived overnight. > Communist governments in third-world countries in Eastern Europe, > Africa, Asia, and South America are a constant threat to our security. > Any semi-rational person can see this.< Ah, I'm less than semi-rational. I suppose I'll validate your name calling if I say I don't agree with you. Not agreeing with you is prima facie evidence that I am less than semi-rational, right? It's possible that communism could be revived in some former republics of the USSR. The chances are quite remote, but it could happen. In former USSR satellites in Eastern Europe? Not much of a chance: not Eastonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, (East Germany is now part of Germany, in case you missed the news), Ukraine, Hungary, Czechloslovakia, Yugoslavias. A little bit of a chance in Byelorus and Bulgaria. Obviously you disagree. So please give me a specific example of an Eastern European country that could slide back into communism. I suppose it could happen in some countries of South America and Africa. But, if it did, it would hardly pose a serious threat to the U.S., to the rest of the world. >Even now we as a nation are > making huge efforts around the world to advocate and encourage > democratic governments.< True enough. But the alternative to democracy isn't necessarily communism. > > Your negative reflections on Benson's politics are specious. < We'll please be specific about my speciousness, if it's not too much to ask. I think I limited my comments on former President Benson's politics to this: "I don't agree with his politics." >Of course > some of the specifics do not pertain to current events, just like some > writings of Isaiah about the Assyrians are not particularly pertinant > today. But there's nothing outdated or anachronistic about President > Benson's counsel regarding loyalty to God and country.< Who said there was? Not me. > Plenty of us could take lessons from President Benson's teachings.< I do. I listen to him and many others. As you know I'm particularly fond of President Hinckley. I had/have deep respect Presidents McKay, Kimball,Lee and George Albert Smith and Joseph Fielding Smith and wish President Hunter had been a little more outspoken as an apostle. My list includes all the prophets who have led the church during my life. > One of the more telling complaints I've heard from right-wing folks is > that liberals seem to hate America and what it stands for. It is easy > to understand why patriotic folks with traditional ideals form this > opinion. It is difficult, in the context of these times, to understand > why anyone would sell short the importance of national defense and > security. I worry far more about that than I do about being preoccupied > with Communists hiding in every toilet.<< Did I say a word about "national defense?" Did I write a word that would suggest that I underrate the importance of national defense at this time? I DID NOT. You are putting words in my mouth, drawing inferences that have NO BASIS IN FACT,Brother Jim. Surprise. Believe it or not Jim, like you I believe its far more importance for our nation to be concerned about national defense and security than to turn into a nation of worry warts over whether theres a commy in every commode. > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism
Well, Ron, you asked us to tell what we believe and not quote others. I did just as you asked. Now, does this mean I think everyone in Europe or China is evil? Of course not. I think tyranny holds down the very good and humble people as effectively as it does the wicked. Just look at how the Lamanites and priests of Noah controlled the lives of Alma and his people, until they were able to escape. Now, I hope I'm wrong about the Beasts, etc. And I admit it is my opinion. But just because you disagree with it, does not make it wrong. I explained my thoughts on it briefly, and you simply attacked it as, and I quote, "B.S." Surely someone with as much knowledge of worldly things as you can come up with some logical argument. Try dissuading me with cogent arguments, rather than attacking me personally, eh? I know about Europe. I have a Master's Degree in history, and my key area of study was Europe. There are major factors that differentiate the American Revolution from the French Revolution. Those factors remain valid today, and are the key reasons for the rifts between the two nations. Depending upon whose ground one stands, I suppose you could see the other group as unstable, wrong-headed, and perhaps even evil. When Gore Vidal says that Bush would have been hanged by the Founding Fathers for being a despot, he obviously meant the forefathers of the French. His is clearly a European argument, which unsurprisingly, is the argument used by many (not all) liberals here. Why some liberals feel more free in France than here, is simply an issue of how (or what) they define freedom. There are huge chasms of difference between John Adams the forefather and Thomas Jefferson the forefather. I highly doubt Jefferson would have hung Bush. OTOH, the French slew thousands who disagreed with the political flavor of the month. We hear of guillotines, but few know of how people were tied to boats that were sunk, or were staked in fields where cannons were shot to slay them. The French political establishment was one where one had to remain in the "center" (which was continually moving further left), while the enemies of the right were killed. Today, outspoken voices are rarely heard in France, because there is little actual freedom of opinion or speech there. Meanwhile, over the past few decades, American freedom of speech has been enhanced and grown by a variety of television, radio, and internet blogs that cover all spectrums of the political wavelength. Gary Ron Scott wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:53 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism > > > > > > > > Ron Scott tried to excuse Ted's behavior by the deaths of his > > brothers, and asked for what danger there is from communism today.<< > > I did nothing of the kind, friend. Nor do I see any correlation between > communism and Ted Kennedy. > > > > Let me answer both. First, Ted's behavior came along way before > > any of his brothers died. Chappaquidick shows us just what kind > > of a person he is. < > > Wrong, again. The incident at Chappaquiddick (correct SPELLING) was > July, > 1969. JFK was assassinated in November of 1963; RFK was gunned down in > July > of 1968. Teddy's behavior after the accident was reprehensible. > > >occured after the assassinationWhile John Kennedy risked his life for > >his > men > > on his PT boat, and with his brother, Bobby Kennedy, stood firm > > against communism in the Cuba Missile Crisis; we have Teddy going > > his own spoiled brat way. < > > I agree, he was a spoiled brat with a mjaor league drinking problem. He > arrived in Utah in 1968 and his first question to reporters was: "where > can > I get a drink?" > > >Mort Sahl, the comedian and political > > commentator once mentioned how people would grab him and say, > > "you've got to see this new senator, he's just like JFK" or "This > > new guy is just like Bobby." Mort wondered if there was anyone > > that wasn't like JFK or Bobby, and then it dawned on him: Teddy. > > If anything, Teddy sold out to communist/extreme liberal > > interests long ago, and shares nothing with his older brothers > > except the now misnomered label "Democrat." < > > As you noted correctly, Mort Sahl was a comedian. > > SNIP. I did not attempt to compare Ted to John or Bobby. Not once. Not > ever. > I simply said that we, who are no position to judge him anyway, ought to > take into account the fact that his three older brothers -- Joe, Jack > and > Bobby-- met violent, untimely deaths. In the cases of Jack and Bobby, > those > deaths were in his face, day in and day out, for years and years and > years. > I suspect such would have a negative impact on all of us. That is no > excuse > for his behavior. > > > Now, as for communism's modern threat. I don't look at it as a > > threat by communi
RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
I don't think Dantes figured on that many layers of hell. Who would have known that NY would elect Hitlary, Schumer, and isn't there a Kennedy in there somewhere also? Gary Smith Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: > > At 07:57 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, St Jon wrote: > >If this were lds-poll, I would say that there was a third hell, > >something > >about Mass. and one of their Senators. > > > Hey, what about us New Yorkers? > > Till the downtrodden > Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Does anyone know?
Being the internationalist that I am, it should come as no surprise to you that my favorite sport to play and watch is soccer. But, one has to understand the game to enjoy watching it. The same is true of baseball. And, knowledge also enhances the enjoyment of football and basketball as well, even if they are a little easier to appreciate. I think soccer is the ideal "first sport" for children: 1. It strengthens the cardio-vascular system 2. Children rarely leave a game feeling like they have failed, personally. 3. It teaches the importance of cooperation and teamwork like no other sport I know. As for the chances for injury: low at the recational level; moderate compared to American football; on par, probably, with basketball and baseball. Translation: if a kid plays the sport competitively, sooner or later he will suffer a serious injury. I also appreciate the the refereeing practices. As a rule, fouls and violations are only called if 1) the foul itself gives one team the advantage over its opponent ( if the player with the ball is fouled but maintains control and continues on unimpeded, the foul would not be called); 2) the foul was clearly dangerous. I dislike the "offsides" rule -- a rule adopted because the U.S. insisted on it back in the 1930s, after it had won the World Cup -- although a slower team, like the U.S. was then, can use it to mount an effective defense. RBS // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out
Ron Scott wrote: --- Where, in your opinion, is the "communist" threat today. --- Don't be silly. Eastern-bloc communism could be revived overnight. Communist governments in third-world countries in Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, and South America are a constant threat to our security. Any semi-rational person can see this. Even now we as a nation are making huge efforts around the world to advocate and encourage democratic governments. Your negative reflections on Benson's politics are specious. Of course some of the specifics do not pertain to current events, just like some writings of Isaiah about the Assyrians are not particularly pertinant today. But there's nothing outdated or anachronistic about President Benson's counsel regarding loyalty to God and country. Plenty of us could take lessons from President Benson's teachings. One of the more telling complaints I've heard from right-wing folks is that liberals seem to hate America and what it stands for. It is easy to understand why patriotic folks with traditional ideals form this opinion. It is difficult, in the context of these times, to understand why anyone would sell short the importance of national defense and security. I worry far more about that than I do about being preoccupied with Communists hiding in every toilet. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism
> -Original Message- > From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism > > > > Ron Scott tried to excuse Ted's behavior by the deaths of his > brothers, and asked for what danger there is from communism today.<< I did nothing of the kind, friend. Nor do I see any correlation between communism and Ted Kennedy. > > Let me answer both. First, Ted's behavior came along way before > any of his brothers died. Chappaquidick shows us just what kind > of a person he is. < Wrong, again. The incident at Chappaquiddick (correct SPELLING) was July, 1969. JFK was assassinated in November of 1963; RFK was gunned down in July of 1968. Teddy's behavior after the accident was reprehensible. >occured after the assassinationWhile John Kennedy risked his life for his men > on his PT boat, and with his brother, Bobby Kennedy, stood firm > against communism in the Cuba Missile Crisis; we have Teddy going > his own spoiled brat way. < I agree, he was a spoiled brat with a mjaor league drinking problem. He arrived in Utah in 1968 and his first question to reporters was: "where can I get a drink?" >Mort Sahl, the comedian and political > commentator once mentioned how people would grab him and say, > "you've got to see this new senator, he's just like JFK" or "This > new guy is just like Bobby." Mort wondered if there was anyone > that wasn't like JFK or Bobby, and then it dawned on him: Teddy. > If anything, Teddy sold out to communist/extreme liberal > interests long ago, and shares nothing with his older brothers > except the now misnomered label "Democrat." < As you noted correctly, Mort Sahl was a comedian. SNIP. I did not attempt to compare Ted to John or Bobby. Not once. Not ever. I simply said that we, who are no position to judge him anyway, ought to take into account the fact that his three older brothers -- Joe, Jack and Bobby-- met violent, untimely deaths. In the cases of Jack and Bobby, those deaths were in his face, day in and day out, for years and years and years. I suspect such would have a negative impact on all of us. That is no excuse for his behavior. > Now, as for communism's modern threat. I don't look at it as a > threat by communism, but by tyrannical ideologies. Ideologies > that seek to reach their goals by enslaving or killing millions > are evil.< I don't think we disagree. >America should not support nor sustain any of them, > except in encouraging them to become free republics. Then, I read > the Revelation of John as discussing Beasts, etc. I see the first > Beast as the European Union, with its disgust for true freedom > and desire to establish a major economic system enforced > everywhere (which is what the Beast does. You can't buy nor sell > without its mark: the Euro?). < You've got to be kidding? >Then, the Dragon is China, which is > becoming a world power. Finally, the second Beast will be the > Muslim nations, as they enhance in power, and as Europe embraces > them in their disgust toward Israel, and in their attempt to > pacify terrorists.<< So basically, your distorted view has transformed it into an "You and your fellow travelers against the rest of the world" scenario. I love it. > I am not a capitalist, BTW. I believe it is just as easy to push > capitalism in communist China as it is to do it here. I am a > believer in human liberty, not given by the state, but by God. > This is the clencher that separates free republics like the USA > from many of its counterparts in Europe. France and Germany > believe in freedom, only as long as it doesn't bother the > politicians. France doesn't have several viewpoints readily > available to its people, but only that of the ruling party. They > seek to secularize the EU, getting rid of Christianity, rather > than allowing religious freedom, but recognizing its roots: both > the good and bad of it all.< I think you have an astonishingly skewed view of reality, especially of Europe. > I see a grave danger coming in the name of capitalism and false > democracies that embrace tyrannical governments. We have been > known to do it in the past, but hopefully we are learning we > cannot do so any longer. Meanwhile much of Europe is becoming > one of the world's greatest dangers because of its embracing > terrorist nations and ideologies.<< To use my initials: B.S. RBS // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://ww
Re: [ZION] Does anyone know?
Cousin Bill-- I know very little about Rugby and how it compares with soccer or American Football. My Dad played Rugby when in college, upset a player on the opposing team and got smacked in the nose for irritating the player. I put Rugby in the same arena as soccer for the demands it makes on the players. Bob Taylor >At 09:14 AM 11/14/2003 +0900, Cousin Bill wrote: >> I mean, it isn't like >>we're talking about a real sport like . > > >Rugby? > >Till > >// >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >/ ** "There are no coincidences, only small miracles." Author Unknown ** // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition
At 07:57 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, St Jon wrote: If this were lds-poll, I would say that there was a third hell, something about Mass. and one of their Senators. Hey, what about us New Yorkers? Till the downtrodden // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Does anyone know?
At 09:14 AM 11/14/2003 +0900, Cousin Bill wrote: I mean, it isn't like we're talking about a real sport like . Rugby? Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism
Ron Scott tried to excuse Ted's behavior by the deaths of his brothers, and asked for what danger there is from communism today. Let me answer both. First, Ted's behavior came along way before any of his brothers died. Chappaquidick shows us just what kind of a person he is. While John Kennedy risked his life for his men on his PT boat, and with his brother, Bobby Kennedy, stood firm against communism in the Cuba Missile Crisis; we have Teddy going his own spoiled brat way. Mort Sahl, the comedian and political commentator once mentioned how people would grab him and say, "you've got to see this new senator, he's just like JFK" or "This new guy is just like Bobby." Mort wondered if there was anyone that wasn't like JFK or Bobby, and then it dawned on him: Teddy. If anything, Teddy sold out to communist/extreme liberal interests long ago, and shares nothing with his older brothers except the now misnomered label "Democrat." JFK lowered taxes, while there hasn't been a tax increase that Teddy didn't think was too small. JFK fought for American strength, freedom, and independence in developing programs like the space program. Teddy has sought to expand welfare services at the expense of the welfare recipients, who are enslaved in a system they can scarcely break out of. Now, as for communism's modern threat. I don't look at it as a threat by communism, but by tyrannical ideologies. Ideologies that seek to reach their goals by enslaving or killing millions are evil. America should not support nor sustain any of them, except in encouraging them to become free republics. Then, I read the Revelation of John as discussing Beasts, etc. I see the first Beast as the European Union, with its disgust for true freedom and desire to establish a major economic system enforced everywhere (which is what the Beast does. You can't buy nor sell without its mark: the Euro?). Then, the Dragon is China, which is becoming a world power. Finally, the second Beast will be the Muslim nations, as they enhance in power, and as Europe embraces them in their disgust toward Israel, and in their attempt to pacify terrorists. I am not a capitalist, BTW. I believe it is just as easy to push capitalism in communist China as it is to do it here. I am a believer in human liberty, not given by the state, but by God. This is the clencher that separates free republics like the USA from many of its counterparts in Europe. France and Germany believe in freedom, only as long as it doesn't bother the politicians. France doesn't have several viewpoints readily available to its people, but only that of the ruling party. They seek to secularize the EU, getting rid of Christianity, rather than allowing religious freedom, but recognizing its roots: both the good and bad of it all. I see a grave danger coming in the name of capitalism and false democracies that embrace tyrannical governments. We have been known to do it in the past, but hopefully we are learning we cannot do so any longer. Meanwhile much of Europe is becoming one of the world's greatest dangers because of its embracing terrorist nations and ideologies. K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
