Almost funnier then how hard this write jocks Ritchie Hawtin. Just
because Mr Hawtin picks up a piece of technology some one else
creates, doesn't mean he is Vasco de Gama "discovering" new parts
of the world. Every time I see references to that Dex Effex non
sense, like he thought that
More noise/drones/dub from us
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On Nov 14, 2007 4:20 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> enh, i still think it depends on the talent of the dj.
im just not sure about that, not even the cats who use samples the
best in the studio are infallable, they have bad tracks all over the
place and that is with the benefit of b
Damn the guy who spiced up the photo's for this interview seriously
has to stop playing Bioshock!
KJ
...turns to playing assassin's creed ;-)
this is a much more reasonable view than your first reply to this
thread. my last post was a little inflammatory in light of this. :/
On Nov 14, 2007 12:24 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 2007 12:14 PM, Tristan Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > A good DJ kn
On Nov 14, 2007 4:08 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "i think it is way too far to the other extreme to just be playing
> little audio bits."
>
> so, let me get this straight...
>
> it's ok for people like jimmy yancey, josh davis, paul huston, the
> dust brothers, theo parrish, cryst
enh, i still think it depends on the talent of the dj. i do agree
with your point about staying away from the extremes, though.
> if that is really what they want to do, go do it in the studio where things
> have to stand up to repeated listenings to be good.
but the dancefloor is a transient e
"i think it is way too far to the other extreme to just be playing
little audio bits."
so, let me get this straight...
it's ok for people like jimmy yancey, josh davis, paul huston, the
dust brothers, theo parrish, crystl, dj premier, lee perry, carl
craig, thomas bangalter, 4 hero, ganja cru, et
Not sure if people know about this, but it should not be missed...
tom
http://collect.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.showDetails&Band_Show_ID=21860988&friendid=57555605
On Nov 14, 2007, at 9:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
knows how to build phrases and
paragraphs with his records
that's a terrific expression
article seems pretty lacking on any substance beyond letting up know
that hawtin was an investor in technology that he heavily advertised
while performing. he also probably stands to benefit from this new
ipod dj box. money money money.
On 11/14/07, alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really like
I really like that CD. Was one of the reasons for me really getting heavily
into electronic music. There's one point where a nice little rhythms bubbling
along and all cuts out for a little rhodes chord. Can understand peoples
frustration if they are familiar with the tracks used but all props
I still think lyrics in techno are usually lame. Especially ones about
breakups. Most music I love is great for me, because it conveys things
that words cannot express.
~David
On Nov 14, 2007 11:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't see how this is any different. What is a mood of a tune
On Nov 14, 2007 12:17 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't see how this is any different. What is a mood of a tune set up by
> in a lyrical tune if not the lyrics?
i actually think that the lyrics to a song are the easiest thing to
make be completely opposite (or in some other way not relat
You're absolutely right. That said, I do think DJs fear the silence
between records more than they should.
Most punters don't know what to do when one record isn't segued into
another.
An example - my mate just played here last Friday.
Now, there's a large group of people in this town that are qu
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From: Martin Dust
To: Tristan Watkins ; 313 Org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Interview
On 14 Nov 2007, at 17:19, robin wrote:
Obviously programming is key, but arguing that programming is
better than beatmatching is like
On Nov 14, 2007 12:14 PM, Tristan Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A good DJ knows when to do
> what's right, rather than making broad pronouncements about the quality of a
> technique. It's a technique FFS, it's as good or bad as you make it.
i like to mix up the techniques and styles of rec
On 14 Nov 2007, at 17:19, robin wrote:
Obviously programming is key, but arguing that programming is
better than beatmatching is like saying colour is better than
painting.
One is paint by numbers (beatmatching) and the other is freehand,
that's the difference to my mind...
m
I agree - I just think there's too much emphasis on beatmatching - most
of the time I couldn't give a sh!t about it when out dancing - I just
want to hear good music and I don't care how it's presented
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Obviously programming is key, but arguing that programming is
better than beatmatching is like saying colour is better than
painting.
I agree, I don't think manual beatmatching is necessary for mixing
though. I'll not expand because we've had that dull debate on here
before and we all k
I don't see how this is any different. What is a mood of a tune set up by
in a lyrical tune if not the lyrics?
What I'm saying is I dislike hearing a DJ play a break-up or heartache tune
and then following it up by "let's all party".
Obviously the message is lost on this particular "DJ" and he/s
On Nov 14, 2007 12:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's interesting that this beatmatched recombination idea has sparked a
> discussion on whether *any* combination or *any* beatmatching is good /
> necessary / appropriate.
well, i think it is about exploring the boundaries. richie seems
obse
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From: Robert Taylor
To: Tristan Watkins ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; robin
Cc: 313 Org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Richie Interview
It's not lazy - it still takes effort to choose your tunes
Like when the dude who isn't mixing spends 10
It's interesting that this beatmatched recombination idea has sparked a
discussion on whether *any* combination or *any* beatmatching is good /
necessary / appropriate.
m50
At 10:33 2007.11.14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting topic. Is it because only small elements/one track out of a
B! You're rubbish! Get off and come back when you can mix!
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 14 November 2007 15:46
>
> I like playing records but I can't beat match - why should that stop me
> having fun playing record to other people?
> Interesting topic. Is it because only small elements/one track out of a
> multi-track tune that the message (our invested emotion in the track?) gets
> lost in the translation?
> Compare/contrast this with turntablists who cut-up records. The whole unit
> of the song is there if only for a few
On 14 Nov 2007, at 16:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Much rather hear someone build a story through the chosen tunes
than just
playing tracky stuff back to back.
Worst is when the DJs aren't even paying attention to the vocals
and what
they are saying, then following it up with some other tun
On Nov 14, 2007 11:39 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Worst is when the DJs aren't even paying attention to the vocals and what
> they are saying, then following it up with some other tune that has nothing
> to do with the previous.
hmm. see, the way i look at it, you can certainly mix relative
What Richie does on CE is pulls apart all of our references and
then asks
us to have, or whether we have, the same vested interest in those
elements.
I can imagine that's why CE doesn't do it for some.
The best bit is the Der Zyklus track for me. Now that might say
something about the s
Much rather hear someone build a story through the chosen tunes than just
playing tracky stuff back to back.
Worst is when the DJs aren't even paying attention to the vocals and what
they are saying, then following it up with some other tune that has nothing
to do with the previous.
and not playin
"Nik Stoltzman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/14/2007 10:11:22 AM:
> When I read the article, especially the bit about being able to
> select bits of tracks, I
> immediately thought of 'Closer to the Edit' which (for me) actually
> diminished the tracks that
> comprised it.
>
> While some peo
It's not lazy - it still takes effort to choose your tunes
Rob Taylor
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-Original Message-
From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 November 2007 16:24
To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; robin
Cc: 313 Org
Sub
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From: Robert Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; robin
Cc: 313 Org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Richie Interview
Beat matching is the most overrated aspect of Djing
Not beatmatching is the laziest! Yay rhetoric!
Tristan
===
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> I'd agree with that too. It was nice he tried something different and
> interesting though.
True, and I do occasional pick up 'concept' albums because I can find them
inspiring, but one of
the acid tests of 'quality' (define that how you will) is how often I listen to
it.
Hmm. I am not sure I
That's what people keep telling me - I think it's very difficult -
thank god for Ableton!
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From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 November 2007 16:02
To: 313 Org
Subject: Re: (313) Richie
On 14 Nov 2007, at 16:15, robin wrote:
When I read the article, especially the bit about being able to
select bits of tracks, I
immediately thought of 'Closer to the Edit' which (for me)
actually diminished the tracks that
comprised it.
I'd agree with that too. It was nice he tried some
When I read the article, especially the bit about being able to
select bits of tracks, I
immediately thought of 'Closer to the Edit' which (for me) actually
diminished the tracks that
comprised it.
I'd agree with that too. It was nice he tried something different and
interesting though.
Beatmatching is just plate spinning. I agree. Anyone can learn it and
it's technique not an act of creativity.
I'm not saying people need to beatmatch to be creative with music
when djing and neither is Hawtin.
Y'know I am sick to death of lazy djs in my town. I don't give a shti
what d
> the thing is, if i was going to gravitate towards either not mixing or
> having deejays play individual audio parts from a track, i would
> definitely be on the side of not mixing. but i dont think it needs to
> be that cut and dry. i think it is way too far to the other extreme to
> just be play
I that case, well augmenting :)
on another note:
The new B12 12" has just landed, putting it on now...
m
On 14 Nov 2007, at 15:56, Robert Taylor wrote:
I wasn't reacting to what you said, but merely augmenting it :)
I wasn't reacting to what you said, but merely augmenting it :)
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 November 2007 16:01
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: 313 Org
Subject: Re: (313) Richie In
On Nov 14, 2007 2:33 AM, robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > but why play other people's tracks at all then? why not just play
> > live? i dont understand.
>
> You do realise the logical conclusion of that argument is "Why mix?" .
>
> The producer got it spot on in the first place so why ruin tha
On 14 Nov 2007, at 15:45, Robert Taylor wrote:
I like playing records but I can't beat match - why should that
stop me
having fun playing record to other people?
It shouldn't, don't remember saying it should.
m
I like playing records but I can't beat match - why should that stop me
having fun playing record to other people?
Rob Taylor
VT Librarian
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VT Library Users' Guide
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 November 2007 15:51
To: Rob
On 14 Nov 2007, at 15:31, Robert Taylor wrote:
Beat matching is the most overrated aspect of Djing
I'd agree, it's a bit like learning to ride a bike. Programming has
always been the most important thing for me but I'm so bad at it with
vinyl in my hands :)
m
Beat matching is the most overrated aspect of Djing
Rob Taylor
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 November 2007 15:25
To: robin
Cc: 313 Org
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Interview
ro
robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/14/2007 01:33:42 AM:
>
> On 14 Nov 2007, at 00:10, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
>
> > On Nov 13, 2007 4:36 PM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Not really what he's talking about, he's talking about access via
> >> "one
> >> file" to all the channels
On 14 Nov 2007, at 00:10, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
On Nov 13, 2007 4:36 PM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not really what he's talking about, he's talking about access via
"one
file" to all the channels of audio that make up a track.
but why play other people's tracks at all then
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