Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-11 Thread Emile Facey
I wish he would do some more Grain tracks, they were the *hi*. E On 11 Oct 2007, at 12:35, Guilherme Menegon Arantes wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 02:39:13PM -0400, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 10/10/07, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Kennedy might have made so much

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-11 Thread Alan Heneghan
+0100 To: Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology I wish he would do some more Grain tracks, they were the *hi*. E On 11 Oct 2007, at 12:35, Guilherme Menegon Arantes wrote: On Wed

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-11 Thread Guilherme Menegon Arantes
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 02:39:13PM -0400, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 10/10/07, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Kennedy might have made so much money from selling the shop (and the Big Apple label stock) that he has been travelling the world (mostly South America)

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-11 Thread Guilherme Menegon Arantes
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:45:16PM +0100, Alan Heneghan wrote: John Kennedy is back in Argentina at the moment. Nopes, he is in Cali, Colombia (at least since two weeks ago when we last talked), preparing to run the London Marathon in april... hehehe I hassle him every time I see him to

RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-11 Thread Odeluga, Ken
) Re: Dubstep Geneology On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:45:16PM +0100, Alan Heneghan wrote: John Kennedy is back in Argentina at the moment. Nopes, he is in Cali, Colombia (at least since two weeks ago when we last talked), preparing to run the London Marathon in april... hehehe I hassle him

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-11 Thread Guilherme Menegon Arantes
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 01:40:31PM +0100, Odeluga, Ken wrote: John Kennedy has little if anything to do with Grain aka Arthur Smith. (Apart from probably knowing him, I would guess) ... No, they are big mates (probably best friends). See my previous emails on this thread. G -- Guilherme

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-11 Thread Emile Facey
Those are half of the appeal of a Grain record aren't they. I like the 'testing your mobile phone' one :)) On 11 Oct 2007, at 13:19, Guilherme Menegon Arantes wrote: He has to do those prank call tunes again. That one in the 10 that came with his first Grain (me thinks) that he pretends his

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Martin Dust
On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) True enough Rav, but you'll get the

RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Mann, Ravinder
Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October

RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Mann, Ravinder
-Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:22 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread /0
80s northern bass? LOL (sorru) - Original Message - From: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all Granddads in the House

RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Tony Thorpe's making dubstep now Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:48 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 List Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Martin Dust
On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:48, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . For sure :) Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? This would be my main point, they don't actual go back that far and far too much

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Emile Facey
To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 List Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? Would they include Detriot strings ? Would they include 80's northern bass ? i.e

RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Mann, Ravinder
Apols missed out bleep'n' from my post I don't know what else you could call it. Its techno I know. -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 12:00 To: Mann, Ravinder; Martin Dust Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology 80s northern bass

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Martin Dust
It was a big thing back in the day, they all tried to out do each other with loads of bass, we have some old Nightmares (Boywonder) tracks that never got released from this period and try as we may to fix them for we release, we can't. The bass on them is just stupid. m On 10 Oct 2007, at

RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Robert Taylor
: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology 80s northern bass? LOL (sorru) - Original Message - From: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all

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2007-10-10 Thread Placid
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RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Toby Frith
To: Robert Taylor Cc: Mann, Ravinder; Martin Dust; 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology From a grandads (not sure if I count at only 35) point of view, the Dubstep sound kind of passed me by because I couldn't hear a massive amount of originality in there. Don't get me wrong, I

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread klaus boss
Well Martin - I hate to say it but we agree completely :) EL-B is spot on as being a godfather of the Dubstep sound. Ravinder mentioning Berlin and Basic Channel as an obvious influence but actually not being it, leads me to the story about Burial being asked if he knew BC. When his mate played

RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Mann, Ravinder
In my minds ear I'm imagining Were Are Back or Im Am for Real on the Iration rig. 'ave a word Martin : ) -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 12:27 To: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology It was a big thing back in the day

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Martin Dust
) Re: Dubstep Geneology It was a big thing back in the day, they all tried to out do each other with loads of bass, we have some old Nightmares (Boywonder) tracks that never got released from this period and try as we may to fix them for we release, we can't. The bass on them is just stupid. m

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread robin
I love all that old bleep and bass stuff yet I don't seem to have grokked what dubstep is all about. I must be getting old. I guess I should listen to some dubstep. To make this discussion useful (for me at least :) ) can someone point me to 5 or 10 essential releases I should check

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread klaus boss
Martin - what makes you certain of that (no pun intended)? On 10/10/07, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love all that old bleep and bass stuff yet I don't seem to have grokked what dubstep is all about. I must be getting old. I guess I should listen to some dubstep. To make this

RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Mann, Ravinder
- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 15:08 To: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology I love all that old bleep and bass stuff yet I don't seem to have grokked what dubstep is all about. I must be getting old. I guess I should listen to some dubstep

(313) garage... ? Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Gil Yaker
Although I've always been just fine with all the microgenres of house, techno, and IDM, this seems like a great opportunity to ask my remaining genre question: What the heck is garage in a non-American context? It seems that it refers to half a dozen pretty different styles. And again as an

RE: (313) garage... ? Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Robert Taylor
It's where you park your car when it's raining Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Gil Yaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 16:07 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) garage... ? Re: (313) Re: Dubstep

Re: (313) garage... ? Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Emile Facey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_garage On 10 Oct 2007, at 16:06, Gil Yaker wrote: Although I've always been just fine with all the microgenres of house, techno, and IDM, this seems like a great opportunity to ask my remaining genre question: What the heck is garage in a non-American

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Guilherme Menegon Arantes
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Toby Frith wrote: Emile and I used to shop at Big Apple in Croydon, and it's interesting seeing all the little whippersnappers who populated the shop in the days when you could buy a Chain Reaction record in there (the shop changed hands a few

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 10/10/07, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Kennedy might have made so much money from selling the shop (and the Big Apple label stock) that he has been travelling the world (mostly South America) for a couple of years. The two last carnivals he stayed with me in SP

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Emile Facey
Yep, gotta get thru this was a big apple production I think. How many weeks was that at number 1? On 10 Oct 2007, at 19:39, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 10/10/07, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Kennedy might have made so much money from selling the shop (and the

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Martin Dust
Do you remember the crummy made in his bedroom back-story they invented for it's release - jesh Emile Facey wrote: Yep, gotta get thru this was a big apple production I think. How many weeks was that at number 1?

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 10/10/07, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you remember the crummy made in his bedroom back-story they invented for it's release - jesh wasnt it done in the big apple studios? the version on their white label 12 is definitely different from the one that came out on Reckless, which i

Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology

2007-10-10 Thread Martin Dust
Yeah, no idea which one of them wrote it tho :) I remember seeing him talking about how he'd written and recorded it in his bedroom on some tv program Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 10/10/07, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you remember the crummy made in his bedroom back-story they