Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-03 Thread still want to
Hmm .. the thread is spreading to wide for me to follow. But I sort of enjoy the debate .. despite being schooled like a newbie! I do know who Larry Levan is and consider him a huge inspiration, also the Merry Pranksters, KLF, Brian Eno, Pink Floyd, Rabbit in the Moon, The Orb, FSOL ... + heaps

RE: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Anthony Shakir
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: 313@hyperreal.org> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:45:54 -0500> Subject: Re: (313) have we run out of reality?>>>> Its a complex chain of affairs .. but is the artist the person wh

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
> I suppose I see limitations in the singular Dj as a bio feedback > sensor. At least I > don't herald the the role of the Dj as much as I used to. there's going to be limitations in any situation it's what you do within those limitations that matter > Besides .. what I am suggesting is to prov

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
> Its a complex chain of affairs .. but is the artist the person who > records the record > or the person who builds the sound system? Or is it the Dj who > plays the record > or the Engineer who tunes the system and the frequencies that you hear. It's all of them - if they do it right. Problem

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread kent williams
I'm getting tired of people saying "It's all been done." It hasn't all been done. I'm 50 years old, and the world I grew up in doesn't exist any more. In a lot of ways, maybe music still repeats existing patterns, maybe people still have to learn to get along with their signficant others & famili

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
And this is exactly what would happen on a dance floor with any good dancers. And knowing a few dancers they'd turn up at an event where they knew their bodies were creating the sound and eventually you'd have another dance circle. All the good dancers in the middle - showing off one at a time -

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
It is an intriguing idea, I do agree with that. However, the whole thing about "removing the ego" is canceled out by "multiple VJ/DJ people" controlling the banks of bio feedback sensors. What you would accomplish by this is taking out the one ego and replacing it with a small group of egos - whic

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 11/2/07, still want to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suppose I see limitations in the singular Dj as a bio feedback sensor. At > least I > don't herald the the role of the Dj as much as I used to. why? what has changed? seen too many crappy deejays? > Besides .. what I am suggesting is to

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Martin Dust
On 2 Nov 2007, at 12:29, Odeluga, Ken wrote: ... In America Martin, yes, where money=votes! Money and Lies more like, the UK is no different - apathy rules and your rights can go take a running jump if you ask me. m

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Martin Dust
On 2 Nov 2007, at 11:14, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Nov 2, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Martin Dust wrote: get some quarters and a jukebox. That's hardly democracy. I say screw democracy when it comes to music, no one is ever going to erect a statue to a committee and the Wright brothers never had

RE: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Odeluga, Ken
... In America Martin, yes, where money=votes! -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 November 2007 11:14 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 Distribution List Subject: Re: (313) have we run out of reality? On Nov 2, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Martin Dust wrote:

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
On Nov 2, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Martin Dust wrote: get some quarters and a jukebox. That's hardly democracy. Last time I spent money on a jukebox, some other dude with more quarters spent like 10 bucks bumping all his stuff to the top to prevent me from playing Massive Attack again. OK, I gue

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread Martin Dust
With the greatest respect this sounds like something off Tomorrows World in the 1970's :) Give me a good DJ, a chunk of darkness and perhaps a strobe, that's enough for me. All this suggests is that music and djing is some kind of community democracy, I shudder at the very thought of that

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-02 Thread robin
Well ... to my knowledge some of the PA setups that we were using in the early 90's had never been done before. Maybe they don't do it where you guys are. But here rave systems are setup so that all the speakers face towards the centre. The sound surround the dance floor and envelopes t

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-01 Thread still want to
In my area, raving developed completely new music audiences and ways of experiencing music. those ways were not "new". they may have been new to you and your contemporaries, but an examination of the history of music will show that those ideas were not new. Well ... to my knowledge some of

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-01 Thread still want to
I was very inspired by sci -fi writer Paul J. McAuley who described a future rave where multiple VJ/DJ people controlled extensive banks of bio feedback sensors .. in this system everyone in the audience provides input and everyone is able to filter and feedback the input sources onto the syst

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-01 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 11/1/07, still want to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was very inspired by sci -fi writer Paul J. McAuley who described a future > rave where multiple VJ/DJ people controlled extensive banks of bio feedback > sensors .. in this system everyone in the audience provides input and > everyone is

Re: (313) have we run out of reality?

2007-11-01 Thread still want to
well, you either have a person being the control mechanism (DJ) who can observe the room, take in emotional levels, combine them with her/his own, and spit back out something unexpected (like stopping the music and telling a story to the audience that has some relevance to what's going on) or