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If it was me and had my stuff stolen I'd be doing something other than
moaning about it (put up the tracks on a website for free download for
one, the money made is not worth chasing legally so why not test it all
legally?).
Anyway we're all bored of this now, aren't we?
I'm not ;)
Jamie
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From: Jamil Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:36 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
In general have you heard of situations where a producer (someone just
starting out, so unknown) sends some demos
On Tue, November 8, 2005 8:52 pm, MICHAEL WELCH wrote:
> Do you think i would make it up ? That would mean i am a spreader of a
> rumour, amd would mean that i dont even no him
i dont know you, i dont know your man, and i dont know him. but i do know
that he has records out with his name o
On Tue, November 8, 2005 8:14 pm, MICHAEL WELCH wrote:
> Fellas Fellas
>
> You can take it from me that this realley did happen and is not a rumour.
> I
> know Jamie well and yes this Peacefrog thing is not the first time Joe
> Lewis/Louis or whatever his
> f*ckin name is has stolen his music.
whe
if this really did happen, does mr. read still have a copy of the
DAT? if not, why would he give his master away? if he had any proof, id
like to think that this would be more than just an internet rumour by now,
10 years down the line.
Hmmm as much as I'd love to argue with you on that point T
On Tue, November 8, 2005 3:21 pm, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
> *Read it Dan*
> "Read was keen to have his music released on Relief Records, a Chicago
> label with cult status in the underground UK scene. He gave the DAT,
> which contained music that had been worked on by all four aforementioned
>
rspronkelijk bericht-
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Sure Dan. It's how one reads it. But we should also read the context
too.
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Sure Dan. It's how one reads it. But we should also read the context
too.
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From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 November 2005 15:35
To: Odeluga, Ken
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Subject: Re: (313) Joe Lewis (Or Louis) (was Frank de Wulf)
I have read it, it just says
I have read it, it just says that he was the person who handed the DAT
to Joe Lewis. It doesn't say that he claimed the material to be solely
his own creation.
On 8 Nov 2005, at 15:21, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
Jamie Read, had at
some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also
In general have you heard of situations where a producer (someone just
starting out, so unknown) sends some demos around and a label releases
them under a different name without crediting him or even informimg him?
I mean, an outright theft of music?
Jamil
alex.bond wrote:
If someone comes to you with a cd/tape full of music that they want to
release, would you question it?
I know I wouldn't. How would you go about asking anyway? pretty awkward
situation really.
I think, as most people would, the thought that it wasn't even their music
just woul
OK, I guess I should add to this the tacit point seems to be the use of
the aliases 'Joe Lewis', and 'Joe Louis', by what seems to be more than
one person, but intending to represent the same artist.
yeah, I responded and then read the linked LD thread - someone didn't tell
Peacefrog the truth
MEK
"Odeluga, Ken"
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Yeah i guess I see what you mean. I think though that the implication is
that Jamie had the major input out of the 4 and that they were his tracks.
Like Derrick May tracks are his :)
robin...
Jamie Read, had at
some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also
known
as
>I feel Peacefrog
>are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know
I see your point Ken.
I just think that a) bet joe lewis told them nada. and b) its way too
late
to do anything about it now really.
just feel a bit bad for them really as its a bit of a sh*tty situation.
___
Ken, where does it say/imply the below?
robin...
>Jamie Read, had at
>some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also >known
>as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced
>work without crediting the other producers.
> Jamie Read, had at
> some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also
> known
> as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced
> work without crediting the other producers.
I don't see any evidence in the discogs post for that.
*Read it Dan*
Hell, all this fuzz about this record makes me want to buy it!
Peacefrog: "Thank you mysterious internet community!"
--
Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net
--
>I feel Peacefrog
>are being a little disingenuous in claiming not to know
I see your point Ken.
I just think that a) bet joe lewis told them nada. and b) its way too late
to do anything about it now really.
just feel a bit bad for them really as its a bit of a sh*tty situation.
Jamie Read, had at
some point done precisely what he's now accusing 'Joe Lewis' (also
known
as Joe Louis in earlier releases) of doing: releasing jointly-produced
work without crediting the other producers.
I don't see any evidence in the discogs post for that.
Now with such a history, and w
still harping on.
_
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And on!
The way I see it Alex (and Dan) according to the discogs entry, the
artist who had the beef about the Peacefrog release, Jamie Read, had at
s
>is this a new release or are we still harping on about the old
>peacefrog lp from earlier this year..
still harping on.
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is this a new release or are we still harping on about the old
peacefrog lp from earlier this year..
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Dan Bean wrote:
I think it's common practice for artist contracts to include a clause
in which they state that the material submitted is theirs only. I
understand that Peacefrog include su
I think it's common practice for artist contracts to include a clause
in which they state that the material submitted is theirs only. I
understand that Peacefrog include such a clause in their contracts.
Having spoken to them about this, I think that they acted in good
faith. Any legal action w
"In any case, Peacefrog being totally unaware becomes a more and more
implausible possibility, to my mind."
hmm. I dunno Ken.
If someone comes to you with a cd/tape full of music that they want to
release, would you question it?
I know I wouldn't. How would you go about asking anyway? pretty awk
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Subject:Re: (313) joe lewis
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:18:43 +0100
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To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
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none of it is new.
iti s from 'the beginnig and the e
Placid wrote:
i thought joe luois was a boxer when he wasn't making music...
Vinyl Underground wrote:
Sounds like he was boxing up other people's music. Maybe that's why they
used the incorrect hand when they made that huge sculpture of his
fist...it was that hand you had to watch for. While
Subject: Re: (313) joe lewis
i thought joe luois was a boxer when he wasn't making music...
Vinyl Underground wrote:
>his early target ep's are only bettered by his baseball record.
>
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And to think they named that big sports arena after him
jeff
Vinyl Underground wrote:
yes this story is true we belive, cant re
his early target ep's are only bettered by his baseball record.
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And not
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>And not all of it is by Joe!
ha!
there was a story on a message board I go on. This kid from Brighton said
Joe Lewis heard his mates music and told him he wanted to put it out, and
took
>And not all of it is by Joe!
ha!
there was a story on a message board I go on. This kid from Brighton said
Joe Lewis heard his mates music and told him he wanted to put it out, and
took it back to chicago or wherever.
the music then came out about 2 years later. On Relief. Under Joe Lewis'
nam
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Seconded, the LP's nice, quite a range of sounds on there. Some of it
sounds old, like early Derrick May stuff as Marsel said
t;
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Seconded, the LP's nice, quite a range of sounds on there. Some of it sounds
old, like early Derrick May stuff as Marsel said, other tracks have a more
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> Seconded, the LP's nice, quite a range of sounds on there. Some of
Oh yeah :) I heard him twice ~8-10 years ago and he turned the club into
a slaughterhouse. What a banger.
what..you mean they started chopping up animals.. it's abit much isn't
it.. i thought biting the head off of a bird was far out..but chopping
up animals on stage is way out there..
> Anyone know if he DJs anyway?
Oh yeah :) I heard him twice ~8-10 years ago and he turned the club into
a slaughterhouse. What a banger.
Seconded, the LP's nice, quite a range of sounds on there. Some of it sounds
old, like early Derrick May stuff as Marsel said, other tracks have a more
modern 'beefy' production sound. A few tracks sound a bit dated, but for the
most part it's pretty strong. Particularly like the track 'Rain' (o
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> Joe's work on T
On Jul 9, 2004, at 12:10 PM, placid wrote:
Yeah he did some good stuff pree 88 but all his later stuff, including
most of his relief output was done by a guy called Jamie reade...
I have it on a press sheet for one of his releases on ugly I also met
jaime afew times ad he confirmes it
I
Yeah he did some good stuff pree 88 but all his later stuff, including
most of his relief output was done by a guy called Jamie reade...
I have it on a press sheet for one of his releases on ugly I also met
jaime afew times ad he confirmes it
So...
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