[9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread Vinu Rajashekhar
Hi, I was looking for some open-source implementation work to be done as my master's project when I chanced upon the Plan 9 GSOC projects page. My interest is in networking, so I was particularly interested in projects about adding zeroconf networking and firewall support to Plan 9. I think I

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread ron minnich
I think your first, best bet is to try to find out what the Plan 9 community needs, rather than adding on something that might not be the that important. I have not heard anyone express a need for zeroconf in Plan 9, but maybe I'm missing something. Simple example: file systems on Plan 9 are

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote: I think your first, best bet is to try to find out what the Plan 9 community needs, rather than adding on something that might not be the that important. I have not heard anyone express a need for zeroconf in Plan 9, but

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread erik quanstrom
Simple example: file systems on Plan 9 are slow. Why is that? How do they work? How would you go about finding out how to make them faster? which ones? there are quite a number to choose from. i've found that ken's fs beats the pants off nfs on similar hardware with literally one cpu tied

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread erik quanstrom
personally, i think the best contributions come from people who have a real personal need or better want to solve a problem, solve it and contribute the solution back to the community. i think that's why unix and plan 9 exist at all. so i would encourage folks who would like to contribute to

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread Vinu Rajashekhar
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: personally, i think the best contributions come from people who have a real personal need or better want to solve a problem, solve it and contribute the solution back to the community. Yes, I do agree with that.

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 1:07 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: Simple example: file systems on Plan 9 are slow. Why is that? How do they work? How would you go about finding out how to make them faster? which ones? there are quite a number to choose from. i've found that ken's

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread erik quanstrom
I wasn't thinking about doing this as a GSOC project, I wanted to do something for my master's project which was a hardcore open-source implementation, that's why I was going through the gsoc ideas page. makes sense to me. i'd incourage you to work a bit with the community. part of open

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread erik quanstrom
Try this - build the source to charon over a 200ms link over 9p. Then try again over sshfs. why would you do this? why not run the compile closer to the source. this is the power of plan 9. Also, look at a single terminal with a local fossil install. Trace the path of an 'ls /'. Count the

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread ron minnich
I see your point. It does sound like zeroconf would be useful to some people. I wonder if it could be done with a 9p orientation as eric suggested. I don't recall what the security issues are with zeroconf, but, if it's the microsoft-inspired version I'm thinking of, I would guess there are many.

[9fans] new sources

2009-08-30 Thread geoff
I've got a replacement for sources set up. It's a new machine (an Intel Core 2) named haggis.cs.bell-labs.com and should look like a slightly-old copy of sources. Please try it out and see if it looks like sources from your perspective. You may want to change your authdom declaration for

Re: [9fans] new sources

2009-08-30 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg - VE6BBM/VE7TFX
Please try it out and see if it looks like sources from your perspective. You may want to change your authdom declaration for outside.plan9.bell-labs.com in /lib/ndb to Geoff, I did a walk of /n/sources/contrib and /n/haggis/contrib, and the latter is missing quite a few files: 48257

Re: [9fans] new sources

2009-08-30 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg - VE6BBM/VE7TFX
Please mail reports, good or bad, to me, not 9fans; there's no need to add to the volume of traffic on 9fans for this. How about we convince the mailing list software to stop inserting Reply-To headers.

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Aug 30 14:37:29 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: One way to make this kind of interesting is to address how you'd do a reasonable zeroconf effort given that you need to boot 1m+ machines. We've booted 4400*250 VMs on a machine at sandia, and, let me tell you, it was a pain. It is

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread Federico G. Benavento
Reposting this to 9fans: hola, First of all, I'm really glad you are considering Plan 9 for your project, thanks. Can someone please discuss with me how to proceed, and what are the things I should learn before starting on this ? you can start by reading nemo's intro Introduction to

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-30 Thread Vinu Rajashekhar
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Federico G. Benaventobenave...@gmail.com wrote: Reposting this to 9fans: hola, First of all, I'm really glad you are considering Plan 9 for your project, thanks.  Can someone please discuss with me how to proceed, and what are the things I should learn