Hi,
I want to install 9atom on a ThinkPad T400 laptop. T400 uses the
ICH9M-E/M SATA controller. Both the CD-ROM and the internal HDD are on
the same SATA controller.
When I boot 9atom, it prompts me with:
Boot devices fd0 sdE0!9fat
boot from: sdE1!cdboot!9pcflop.gz
boot from:
It seems that it d
Aram Hăvărneanu wrote:
> I want to install 9atom on a ThinkPad T400 laptop. T400 uses the
> ICH9M-E/M SATA controller. Both the CD-ROM and the internal HDD are on
> the same SATA controller.
>
> [...]
>
> Do you think it's a bug that prevents the CD-ROM from being detected?
> Any suggestions on wha
Hello 9fans ...
I'm _totally_ new to Plan9! Two days ago I had never heard of
it. Yesterday I DLed the LiveCD - now I want to know more.
The closest I've come to such an OS as Plan9, is the Native Oberon
OS. I have a partition which I can overwrite. Does the LiveCD
installation process allow me t
When you boot the live cd you'll have a pretty good idea whether your
system is supported -- if things are OK you'll get to a gui with
installation information. You'll be able to figure out whether you
want to try it or not even before you get to the hard drive
partitioning :)
There's no 'other pl
> I must mention that I also tried installing with SATA controller in
> IDE mode, and that works (in Plan9 works but only with DMA disabled).
> Maybe this is relevant.
>
> Thanks you,
you should be able to type "pcihinv" at the 9load prompt.
that output would be useful. just send a picture offli
On Jan 13, 2011 9:32 AM, "Duke Normandin" wrote:
>
> Hello 9fans ...
>
> I'm _totally_ new to Plan9! Two days ago I had never heard of
> it. Yesterday I DLed the LiveCD - now I want to know more.
>
> The closest I've come to such an OS as Plan9, is the Native Oberon
> OS. I have a partition which
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Jacob Todd wrote:
> On Jan 13, 2011 9:32 AM, "Duke Normandin" wrote:
> >
> > Hello 9fans ...
> >
> > I'm _totally_ new to Plan9! Two days ago I had never heard of
> > it. Yesterday I DLed the LiveCD - now I want to know more.
> >
> > The closest I've come to such an OS as Pla
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, andrey mirtchovski wrote:
> When you boot the live cd you'll have a pretty good idea whether your
> system is supported -- if things are OK you'll get to a gui with
> installation information. You'll be able to figure out whether you
> want to try it or not even before you get
> When I start the install process from the Live CD, I'll probably be
> asked to choose a partition where I want Plan9 to live, right?
>
> I'll choose one; it'll warn me that the partition is already in use,
> do I want to overwrite it? I'll reply, yes, and BOOM the partition is
> committed to Pla
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > When I start the install process from the Live CD, I'll probably be
> > asked to choose a partition where I want Plan9 to live, right?
> >
> > I'll choose one; it'll warn me that the partition is already in use,
> > do I want to overwrite it? I'll rep
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
>> > When I start the install process from the Live CD, I'll probably be
>> > asked to choose a partition where I want Plan9 to live, right?
>> >
>> > I'll choose one; it'll warn me that the parti
I'd say, it's not unpredictable, but just the sane way to do it, I mean, a
power outage is sometimes enough to screw something up... or maybe you
accidentally select the wrong partition, b/c the installer you are new to
confuses you in some ways, etc..
I never lost data in my life, and was always
> you should be able to type "pcihinv" at the 9load prompt.
> that output would be useful. just send a picture offline.
Tried sending the picture off list, but your SMTP server rejects me
for some reason so I put it here: http://i.imgur.com/9dO07.jpg
Thanks,
--
Aram Hăvărneanu
> > Zero problems! No OS install tried to mess with another partition. So,
> > are you being overly cautious here, or is there a real danger that
> > Plan9 has a run-away?
> >
>
> I haven´t seen Plan 9 do this, but better safe than sorry...
i've never seen this myself, but i recall this discussi
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > Zero problems! No OS install tried to mess with another partition. So,
> > > are you being overly cautious here, or is there a real danger that
> > > Plan9 has a run-away?
> > >
> >
> > I haven´t seen Plan 9 do this, but better safe than sorry...
>
@Gorka Guardiola
@Tassilo Philipp
Thanks for the warnings, and friendly advice :)
I think I'll just use a bare 2nd HDD on the same machine, or a junker
box kicking around.
Do you guys know if Plan9 will boot off a slave HDD?
--
Duke
If I'm not mistaken, you should be able to edit the plan9.ini file on a
PC, to set the source you want to boot from. However, I did that only
once, and I don't remember the details... look up plan9.ini(8)
(http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/8/plan9.ini), boot(8)
(http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/8/boot)
On Thu Jan 13 11:53:18 EST 2011, tphil...@potion-studios.com wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, you should be able to edit the plan9.ini file on a
> PC, to set the source you want to boot from. However, I did that only
> once, and I don't remember the details... look up plan9.ini(8)
> (http://lsub.org/m
On Thu Jan 13 10:43:46 EST 2011, ara...@mgk.ro wrote:
> > you should be able to type "pcihinv" at the 9load prompt.
> > that output would be useful. just send a picture offline.
>
> Tried sending the picture off list, but your SMTP server rejects me
> for some reason so I put it here: http://i.im
regarding the occasional missing vid/did's it seems that frequently it
involves adding the did to the right place in the corresponding driver
and recompiling. it would be a nice if there was a way to map new
vid/did's to known driver+did's in plan9.ini.
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Thu Jan 13 11:53:18 EST 2011, tphil...@potion-studios.com wrote:
> > If I'm not mistaken, you should be able to edit the plan9.ini file on a
> > PC, to set the source you want to boot from. However, I did that only
> > once, and I don't remember the
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Tassilo Philipp wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, you should be able to edit the plan9.ini file on a
> PC, to set the source you want to boot from. However, I did that only
> once, and I don't remember the details... look up plan9.ini(8)
> (http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/8/plan9.i
On Thu Jan 13 12:34:07 EST 2011, skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote:
> regarding the occasional missing vid/did's it seems that frequently it
> involves adding the did to the right place in the corresponding driver
> and recompiling. it would be a nice if there was a way to map new
> vid/did's to kn
Just read:
http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/1/0intro
[quote]
Plan 9 is a distributed computing environment assembled from separate
machines acting as terminals, CPU servers, and file servers.[/quote]
Does the above imply, that ideally Plan9 should be running on a LAN?
Not so good as the OS on a st
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Duke Normandin wrote:
> Just read:
>
> http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/1/0intro
>
> [quote]
> Plan 9 is a distributed computing environment assembled from separate
> machines acting as terminals, CPU servers, and file servers.[/quote]
>
> Does the above imply, that ideally Plan
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> Just read:
>
> http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/1/0intro
>
> [quote]
> Plan 9 is a distributed computing environment assembled from separate
> machines acting as terminals, CPU servers, and file servers.[/quote]
>
> Does the above imply, tha
if the intent is to get a full understanding of what an operational
Plan 9 environment is like, using VMware or Qemu to create VM's for
various roles (auth/cpu, fs, term) connected by a virtual network is
an excellent option. i've successfully used this setup for
experimenting/testing and for demos
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> if the intent is to get a full understanding of what an operational
> Plan 9 environment is like, using VMware or Qemu to create VM's for
> various roles (auth/cpu, fs, term) connected by a virtual network is
> an excellent option. I've successfully u
Maybe a gigabyte if you used a separate vm for cpu, auth and the fs. You can
combine cpu/auth and even the file server into one if you wanted.
On Jan 13, 2011 2:34 PM, "Duke Normandin" wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>
>> if the intent is to get a full understanding of what a
For those of you wanting something different than Intel Architecture,
Nvidia plans to give it to you. It should be interesting.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/nvidia-announces-project-denver-arm-cpu-for-the-desktop/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/microsoft-confirms-arm-support-is-coming-i
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:40, Henning Schild
wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:51:56 +0100
> Ciprian Dorin Craciun wrote:
>
>> :) I've kind of feared that this is the reason... :)
>>
>> But still how do people handle the issue?
>
>
> I guess in most cases it is ok to ignore the slight waste
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, David Leimbach wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Duke Normandin wrote:
>
> > Just read:
> >
> > http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/1/0intro
> >
> > [quote]
> > Plan 9 is a distributed computing environment assembled from separate
> > machines acting as terminals, CPU ser
depending on the host os, 1g is sufficient. i've never needed to use
more than 256M for plan9 vm's.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>
>> if the intent is to get a full understanding of what an operational
>> Plan 9 environment
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:16:25 PST Skip Tavakkolian
wrote:
> if the intent is to get a full understanding of what an operational
> Plan 9 environment is like, using VMware or Qemu to create VM's for
> various roles (auth/cpu, fs, term) connected by a virtual network is
> an excellent option. i've
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On 01/13/2011 11:40 AM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Duke Normandin wrote:
>>
>>> Just read:
>>>
>>> http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/1/0intro
>>>
>>> [quote]
>>> Plan 9 is a
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> >
> >> if the intent is to get a full understanding of what an operational
> >> Plan 9 environment is like, using VMware or Qemu to create VM's
On Thu Jan 13 14:47:52 EST 2011, bakul+pl...@bitblocks.com wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:16:25 PST Skip Tavakkolian
> wrote:
> > if the intent is to get a full understanding of what an operational
> > Plan 9 environment is like, using VMware or Qemu to create VM's for
> > various roles (auth/c
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
[snip]
> If you only have one computer available and have to dual-boot, you can
> actually do pretty good with a simple, standalone terminal (this is what
> gets installed by default). You can then get an account at one or two of
> the public Plan 9 servers
Good news :)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Aharon Robbins wrote:
> For those of you wanting something different than Intel Architecture,
> Nvidia plans to give it to you. It should be interesting.
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/nvidia-announces-project-denver-arm-cpu-for-the-desktop/
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On 01/13/2011 12:24 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> If you only have one computer available and have to dual-boot, you can
>> actually do pretty good with a simple, standalone terminal (this is what
> Can I use Plan9 standalone in a dedicated partition?
Yes, of course!
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
[snip]
> Yes. You just stick in the CD and do a basic install. When you're
> done, you get all the programs that ship with Plan 9; it's very
> usable, you can connect to various Plan 9 servers or FTP to move
> files around and stuff.
I see! I mis-understoo
> I could run a headless box as a Plan9 auth/cpu, fs server.
> Then, if I
> want to this Plan9 server, is there a minimum Plan9 install
> that I
> could put on the spare partition that I have?
With this setup available, there are several ways
you can go. As a lot of people have suggested, you
can
> I see! I mis-understood what you meant by "Plan 9
> terminal". I thought
> that the Plan 9 Live CD gave you a choice of either
> installing the
> Plan 9 server or a Plan 9 client/terminal. I now see that
> that there
> are terminals available on various OSes to connect to a
> Plan 9
> server.
It
>On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
[snip]
> It has become a little confusing over the last 20 years. In a way
> too brief way, here are the basic incarnations of Plan9:
>
> - Natively running the current Plan9 kernel
>- Stand-alone terminal with its own fs
>- Terminal (possibl
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
> > I could run a headless box as a Plan9 auth/cpu, fs server. Then,
> > if I want to this Plan9 server, is there a minimum Plan9 install
> > that I could put on the spare partition that I have?
>
> With this setup available, there are several ways you
At Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:37:52 -0700 (MST),
Duke Normandin wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
>
> > I think you mentioned in another message that you have a headless box
> > available; I recommend temporarily hooking that up to a monitor,
> > keyboard, and mouse, then installing a s
yes, I dual booted Plan 9 and windows for years, it worked great,
just boot the cdroom and follow the instructions, choose the empty
space or partition from the installer, etc. you'll end up with a standalone
terminal, no need for a cpu server in the beginning, later you could
just rebuild the kern
I've trashed my partition table more than once in the past years
TeskDisk always saved my ass, I just booted a linux live cd,
download the static binary and fixed my partition table...
http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Ja
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Federico G. Benavento wrote:
> I've trashed my partition table more than once in the past years
> TeskDisk always saved my ass, I just booted a linux live cd,
> download the static binary and fixed my partition table...
>
> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
So have I! T
>> him. An even more Plan9-like way of doing it is to net-boot a Plan9
>> terminal from your cpu/auth/fs machine. If you want to boot your
>> main box that way, you can without installing anything on it. From
>> within Linux, you can do the same thing in virtualbox. In fact, I
>> have a virtual
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Federico G. Benavento wrote:
> yes, I dual booted Plan 9 and windows for years, it worked great,
> just boot the cdroom and follow the instructions, choose the empty
> space or partition from the installer, etc. you'll end up with a standalone
> terminal, no need for a cpu ser
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
> At Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:37:52 -0700 (MST),
> Duke Normandin wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
> >
> > > I think you mentioned in another message that you have a headless box
> > > available; I recommend temporarily hooking that up to a
> > The Plan ( server would
> > have to have enough disk space to store its own stuff, plus the
> > workstation's file system? Could get dicey, if you've got a few
> > workstations net-booting, could it not?
>
> It can. The clients all share a single copy of the common files,
> but each user will
On 1/13/2011 7:42 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
>
>> At Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:37:52 -0700 (MST),
>> Duke Normandin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
>>>
I think you mentioned in another message that you have a headless box
available; I
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
[snip]
> > So the NIC in your Linux box must have to be PXE capable?
>
> It depends. If you want to PXE boot the box directly and have
> it run the Plan9 kernel natively, then at some point, something
> will have to be PXE capable. That could b
> works on a rather cool block-coalescing system. I highly recommend
> reading the paper.
>
> On a system with a small disk, it's a good idea to go without Venti,
> because of the space required.
oh, the irony.
- erik
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
> On 1/13/2011 7:42 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
>
> > What is Venti again?
>
> Venti is the archival storage for Plan 9. Basically, new files and
> changes to files get written to the Fossil file system. If Venti exists,
> those changes get written to Venti; V
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > The Plan ( server would
> > > have to have enough disk space to store its own stuff, plus the
> > > workstation's file system? Could get dicey, if you've got a few
> > > workstations net-booting, could it not?
> >
> > It can. The clients all share
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
>
>> On 1/13/2011 7:42 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
>>
>> > What is Venti again?
>>
>> Venti is the archival storage for Plan 9. Basically, new files and
>> changes to files get written to the Fossil file
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
[snip]
> > What is the minimum HDD capacity required to run an Auth/cpu/fs server
> > with Venti support?
>
> There's no hard and fast rule, really, but your Fossil partition needs
> to be at least b
On Jan 13, 2011 11:33 PM, "Duke Normandin" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, John Floren wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Duke Normandin
wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > > What is the minimum HDD capacity required to run an Auth/cpu/fs server
> > > with Venti support?
> >
> > There's no hard and
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