ying to demand of
the 9front project, and create a nice home for the sorts of people whose
primary qualifications are that they like to watch and they've been
watching for decades.
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On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 02:22:01PM +, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote:
> The 2nd draft is out. I've made some corrections as mentioned by others, and
> I have added those who have helped to the acknowledgements. This draft is
> only for those that are interested in the conten
t on linkedin
>> sounds mainly like a big "fuck you" towards 9front, not a fair answer
>> given the technical contributions brought here by others.
>>
>> Again, please send patches, not propaganda.
>
> [9fans](https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest) / 9fans / see
&g
It is only a first draft, and it is not a finished product. I'll correct the
mistakes found.
Thank you for the kind feedback.
Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
On Friday, May 17th, 2024 at 9:31 PM, qwx via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> On Fri May 17 13:33:21 +0200
4K monitors, ensures crisp and clear visuals.
Multi-Monitor Configurations: Improved multi-monitor support allows users to
extend their desktop across multiple screens seamlessly, enhancing productivity
and usability.
Chapter 2: Networking
[...]
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Many user programs have seen enhancements and bug
fixes. Notable examples include the acme editor, which received improvements
from Plan9port, and the git suite, which has been updated to handle modern
workflows more effectively."
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Someone asked about the differences between 9front and 9legacy. This first
draft provides a brief overview.
https://link.storjshare.io/s/jx6tw46kfxskld45ussjek46ccpq/revitalizing-project/RevitalizingPlan9.pdf
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This presentation by Geoff Collyer "Plan 9 on 64-bit RISC-V" describes
the work that has been done and mentions some hardware too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOg6UzSss2A
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of people I was describing, there's not much I
can do about that, I guess.
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t you, Don" did you fail to parse?
What other entire clauses in my email messages have you failed to parse?
This is a concerning development.
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bug reports seriously! If that
had been the prevailing attitude on 9fans some years back, 9front
probably wouldn't exist, much less exist without an in-tree Fossil. But
your "point to the code" demand is not a great look. That *is* more
like the old-school response to Fossil bug reports
out, and the situation was never helped
by the "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" crowd refusing to take bug
reports -- and actively attacking bug reporters.
So, the backstory of Fossil on 9fans is what led to it getting deleted.
Asking for 'evidence' is just more of the sam
aches the 4.step he will find his own path to whatever fork he
pleases. So where exactly was my reply mindless ?
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n lies next to your
choice in the ini file. This works until now for all devices I tested. Only a
small example.
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ork and is remotly accessible from plan9. But the choice of a scm is a
question of taste.
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.@gmail.com> wrote:
citation needed
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 1:58 PM wrote:
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2024, at 18:38, hiro wrote:
> > how did you find out about this company, i never saw it mentioned
> > anywhere before?
>
> I don't spend my time trolling 9fans. ;-)
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o justify my decision. And I don't want my arguments.
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nz S-Class or Lexus or Acura since these newer
automobiles are not automobiles from your perspective?
On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 07:09:38 AM CDT, ibrahim via 9fans
<9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 1:26 PM, hiro wrote:
at this point all you're doing is speculati
ine by far. If you prefer this kind of conversation I don't have a
problem with that too.
I don't use 9front so spare me your lecturing this is not 9front's message
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ill make sure that it doesn't make use of enhancements I am using within my
fork respect the coding styles of such a compatibility layer if one is ever
defined. The whole discussion is about interoperability between forks.
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ing beyond that should be part of /n/sources. But thats my
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uot;), 9front is also one of those
> continuations, same as 9legacy or any other fork that tries to live those
> concepts.
As I said before I view 9front as one fork of plan9 and one I'm respecting. You
do a good job and people who use your fork surely benefit from your work.
-
On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 11:39 AM, hiro wrote:
> are you contributing the team? and paying the team?
If you asked me. I don't use 9front or any of your contributions why should I
pay for or contribute to your team ?
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mple questions there is nothing bold about my statements. This is 9fans and
if you start the same discussions over and over again than you have to live
with answers like mine. Neither you nor I own plan9 while people outside 9front
have no problem with facts you have this problem. You can
r which I wrote a renderer in plan9. The second step was
to write a converter pdftosvg which works for pdf files I had to handle. No C++
no postscript interpreter. If you have to handle pdf files with embedded
postscript than I wish you good luck.
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hich than gets rendered by a tiny svg
renderer.
Substituting ghostscript with a new interpreter wasn't worth the effort in my
case. By reading the pdf metadata you also can keep the outline and other
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On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 02:18:54AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
> You really should read the GPL. Your changes were included with GPL'ed code
> even in the same file and not distributed as independent patches so the
> modified work as a whole got infected by the GP
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 02:04:24AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
>
> There are many companies who double license code. As the owners of such code
> they are free to do this. Users can't relicense code as they please
> especially not GPL licensed code.
At no point did we 'relicen
e file and not distributed as independent patches so the
modified work as a whole got infected by the GPL license.
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On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 01:54:27AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
Happily. Here's the original revision of /lib/legal/NOTICE:
http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front/file/944787349e93/lib/legal/NOTICE
> The Plan 9 software is provided und
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On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 11:52:29PM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
>
> You ignore copyrights as you please and distributed 9front under an MIT
> license long before Nokia as the owner of it decided to do so. You did
> that at a time when plan9 was placed under GPL.
You have apparen
g the "bold action" of relicensing appeard before the owners of the
code made it available under MIT license.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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omed not you
because you are no legal entity. I have to make sure that my distributions has
no legal issues. The way you answer to such licensing problems makes clear you
don't care about them and take the issue lightly.
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elease is the real thing
with a clear ownership and license. 9legacy would be the right choice as the
current plan9 but it contains code from sources which bare the risk of
infecting a MIT licensed plan9 if no measures are taken regarding these
problems.
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of 9legacy is to clean up the system from such enhancements. But thats
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er, terminal) + 9vx (for adjustments and
as a rescue terminal)
3. Step : qemu + 9legacy (cpu, fileserver, terminal) + drawterm
4. Step : Bare metal as you like
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d.
Everyone in the Plan 9 world has what they want, at this point, except
maybe unlimited free time to pursue the to-do list.
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t trolling, or depressing malpractice,
depending on your intent. I can't ever know that, so I'll just state
for posterity: kids, don't do this. It's a terrible plan.
Do better,
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respond, others here might help
> you on the path, others might appreciate taking part in your adventure
> and others might learn from it, too. i guess you can cc david if
> getting into 9legacy is your goal.
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 4:31 PM Kyohei Kadota via 9fans <9fans@9f
I have a question: where is the *best* place to be sent a patch for
9legacy? replica? GitHub? or here?
I'm motivated, but I don't like to get no feedback as before.
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I hope this marks a turn of the tide.
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ing
> one on 9fans?
So you're ignoring the answers and advice people are giving you,
including my own, because it's just not interesting enough?
> How do you know that I did not follow any of Moodley's advice, which
> incidentally I acknowledged I may not be competent to follow?
Then which of M
perhaps decide for on solution strategy ? If you just need to connect to a
working plan9 I don't get the reason why you don't use 9legacy or 9vx instead
of 9front. Perhaps I missed some reasoning.
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matter and does it in a perfectly justified and well
> formulated fashion - and gets accused of being an AI or at minimum playing
> one on 9fans?
>
> How do you know that I did not follow any of Moodley's advice, which
> incidentally I acknowledged I may not be competent to follow?
On Fri May 10 11:09:32 +0200 2024, lucio.d...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm finding it ironic, though, that the defenders of the true 9front faith
> find it necessary to insult their "enemies" in a forum dedicated to the
> very subject matter they are so disapproving of. Surely they r
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duplication in union directories, then I may be able
to get away with less code.
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On Apr 18, 2024, at 2:48 PM, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
>
> Just another reason to eventually have Rust on Plan 9…
Yeah. Compiles are too damn fast; no time to make masala chai :-)
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uot; ones by the date of the latest
modified file, development ones by the version we were
working on + developer name). We also modified tar to allow
saving and restoring a set of trees (recreating links for
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re 35 years of evolution in software practices has very
> much improved.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 8:55 a.m. certanan via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net
> <mailto:9fans@9fans.net>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there any more "organic/natural&q
> From what I understand folks used to make diffs against the last release.
> There was also some use of replica as you eluded to.
That answers my question. Thanks.
tom
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patches without much hassle?
Was it as simple as backing a source tree up, making some changes, and then
comparing the two? Venti? Replica?
tom
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to avoid 80k lines of
> yaml that you must look at directly.
while it may help -- this is just stacking complexity on top of
complexity.
kubernetes may be a tool that some of us need to deal with for
our jobs, but it has no place in a well designed rethink of the
world.
9fans / 9fans / se
complexity around but not conquer it.
In any new design, at the start you often overbuild
because you don't quite know what will work but soon you
have to sense what is scaffolding and can be removed vs
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rit of "if we had to implement this, how would
we do it while inflicting the least harm"... :)
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it appeared to make no measurable
difference at all (though I don't know whether v9fs can take advantage of the
*at capability).
Maybe there's some use case where it makes a more dramatic difference. My tests
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(which has nothing to do with plan9 but people explored some researchy ideas)On Apr 6, 2024, at 10:37 AM, ron minnich wrote:openat gives you the effect of 'cd path; open file' without having to cd. I don't see a lot of benefit to it unless you're opening a lot of files at that path.
9fans
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t has open?
The Linux docs make passing reference to "tricks involving /proc/../fd" which
seems like a better idea than adding all those *at system calls...
... from the department of partly-baked ideas...
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is open, which is not
like UNIX/Linux...
Sorry, I'm just trying to understand the question.
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; wrote:
>>>>> One of the folks I worked with, when we pulled a big chunk of plan 9 into
>>>>> akaros, commented that he had implemented openat on akaros.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want this to turn into a debate on the merits of openat
to be physically powered off after
making changes to the config file. ctrl-t ctrl-t r is not sufficient.
/
> On 5. Apr 2024, at 16.33, slash 9fans wrote:
>
> Dear 9fans,
>
> I am booting my Raspberry Pi 4B off the 9legacy SD card image
> (http://www.9legacy.org/download.html)
Oooh! More pixels!
This is wonderful, thank you!
I had the same situation, but I didn't know this was possible.
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Dear 9fans,
I am booting my Raspberry Pi 4B off the 9legacy SD card image
(http://www.9legacy.org/download.html) and it boots fine with the default
config.txt, but there is a 48-pixel wide black border on the screen.
term% echo `{ dd -if /dev/screen -bs 64 -count 1}
0+1 records in
0+1
should pxe boot from the fileserver. it just needs to support
tftp.
khm
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g exportfs to strip off any decoration
before sending out an error string via Rerror, though, as that would fix v9fs's
problem and the nested mounts problem I was looking at earlier.
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an
actually pattern-match any embedded quoted filename, allowing for future
creativity in the ways it can get inserted into the error string returned via
Rerror...
I'm not sure I quite believe I'm seriously contemplating doing this.
Perhaps I'm missing something obvious.
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On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 06:04:33PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote:
> Thanks, but I don't know who owns that site these dayse. I'll forward to
> the 9fans mailing list.
>
> -rob
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 6:20 AM Douglas McIlroy <
> douglas.mcil...@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
directory in the union mount was read. Maybe??
Anyway it works now. :)
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> On Sunday, 4 February 2024, at 4:46 PM, moody wrote:
>> I would bet money on this being a bug in your walk code.
That seems entirely possible! Thanks for the pointer.
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AM Vester "Vic" Thacker
wrote:
>
> I would like to extend my gratitude to everyone who took the time to provide
> their valuable feedback. I fully acknowledge that there appears to be limited
> interest in the proposal. Your time and assistance are greatly appreciated.
and ISO C.
The base of Coraid is Plan 9, but it has been modified. PIX firewall. Don
better call Brantley Coile.
Scratch those ports from Erik Quanstrom from 9atom.
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I read this website which had one of the old mail adresses :
https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/how_to_contribute/index.html
another one had the link to Geoff's mail at bell-labs as admin.
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ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com
this was the link provided by the 9p.io page it wasn't webmas...@9p.io
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regarding this issue on 9fans but couldn't find
any hints.
How can I create an account and a folder on p9f in the contrib path ?
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of plan9. In my opinion 9fans is a meeting point not only for
users of plan9 4e but also everyone who uses a fork of plan9. All forks share
some code with varying amounts.
I have my own fork and you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at the desktop
or the boot screen that my fork is based
> If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both as
>>> a user and a developer.
>>>
>>> I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any
>>> interest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be.
&
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:44:34AM -0500, Don Bailey wrote:
> I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it.
This tracks. Thanks for your insight.
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> [...] then it is not surprising that people
> misunderstand your intentions.
and otherwise, too. you'll just have to adapt your predictions (or
expectations?) a little if you're so frequently surprised.
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keep them alive and infect others with all that. Maybe you can submit
another patch to sources some day soon.
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t Plan 9, and engage with them. It might be
easier than taking on the whole community simultaneously.
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with theoretical discussions or trolling?
Wild.
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t is weird about forking unmaintained software?
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experience, especially with regard to other Thinkpad models?9front even runs on the MNT Reform, would the corresponding code be easily transferable to 9legacy?Many thanks in advance!Best regards, alex
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cific questions there to get better help.
Cheers,
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[1] http://fqa.9front.org/fqa9.html#9.2.5
[2] http://man.9front.org/8/fsconfig
[3] http://fqa.9front.org/fqa2.html#2.2
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Nice! Congrats and good work.
Looking forward to a bright 9 future.
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