Re: [9fans] Scanners

2009-11-26 Thread W B Hacker
erik quanstrom wrote: But it IS a bit frustrating to see drivers available in one F/OSS OS (or variant) and not another, more especially as they are nearly always written in reasonably portable 'C' code these many years. that's easier said than done. Blocks are not the same as sk_bufs. for

Re: [9fans] remote access to audio devices

2009-11-26 Thread W B Hacker
Sam Watkins wrote: VNC or similar remote desktop with sound support can be useful for things like pair-programming over then internet, if you are working on an app or game that uses sound. Sam VNC can (has been) be a butt-saver' - but pales in comparison to remote desktop / remote X for

Re: [9fans] Scanners

2009-11-26 Thread W B Hacker
erik quanstrom wrote: *snip* useless observation: it's fun to see the linux guys bragging about how their drivers are so small. bsd drivers are typically half their size. plan 9 drivers are typically half again as large. to be fair, plan 9 drivers typicall give up things like tso. - erik

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread W B Hacker
Tim Newsham wrote: or the cannonical example, a hard drive. I intentionally avoided this one because two things that modern OSs do know how to share (at least a little) are: - filesystems - printers Its just all the other stuff that they haven bothered to tackle yet, except in very

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread W B Hacker
Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more ... not sure of the others. I was running diskless Windows in 1995; it wasn't pretty, but it could be done. These days you can run XP+ diskless if you have the right Windows Server and

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread W B Hacker
Enrico Weigelt wrote: * W B Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more ... not sure of the others. I was running diskless Windows in 1995; it wasn't pretty, but it could be done. These days you

Re: [9fans] Scanners

2009-11-25 Thread W B Hacker
Anthony Sorace wrote: where's my ethernet mouse? ;-) If Plan9 can 'plumb' a remote sound card, (a questionable example long publicized) I'm sure it can do so with a mouse. 'Questionable example', as I've never quite understood how I'd be able to hear the output of a sound card whose

Re: [9fans] after a recent pull ...

2009-11-25 Thread W B Hacker
ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: The slowness of loading openssl probably has something to do with it being bloatware on a par with ghostscript. And the better alternatives to either are ? Bill

Re: [9fans] Scanners

2009-11-25 Thread W B Hacker
Charles Forsyth wrote: If Plan9 can 'plumb' a remote sound card, (a questionable example long publicized) I'm sure it can do so with a mouse. it isn't plumbing, but export/import, and it's useful. i had a usable sound system on my r3000 indigo, but my PC had none. on the pc, i imported the

Re: [9fans] Scanners

2009-11-25 Thread W B Hacker
Anthony Sorace wrote: erik wrote: // how to troll like a pro! see, i was paying attention! bill wrote: // ...a questionable example... if you have a lab of terminals but only one or two have a working sound card and speakers, it can make good sense. I'm sure it did *at the time*... But

Re: [9fans] Scanners

2009-11-25 Thread W B Hacker
erik quanstrom wrote: 'export/import' applied to remote resources - especially 'scarce' or expensive ones (sound cards no longer are..) that could *send back* the results might make a better present-day example. the resource i want is generally particuarly scarce; there is often just one

Re: [9fans] sed question (OT)

2009-10-30 Thread W B Hacker
Eris Discordia wrote: The script has a small bug one might say: it capitalizes the first two words on a line that are _not_ already capitalized. If one of the first two words is capitalized then the third will get capitalized. Call me a Dinosaur, but - so long as it is ASCII or EBCDIC it is

Re: [9fans] sed question (OT) (OT) (OT) (OT) (OT)(OT)(OT)(OT)(OT)(OT)(OT)(OT)(OT)(OT)

2009-10-30 Thread W B Hacker
Tim Newsham wrote: Call me a Dinosaur, but - so long as it is ASCII or EBCDIC it is relatively trivial to implement that in hardware AND NOT have the issue of altering any but the first two words AND NOT have issues where there is only one word or a numeral or punctuation or hidden/control

Re: [9fans] sed question (OT)

2009-10-29 Thread W B Hacker
Steve Simon wrote: Sorry, not really the place for such questions but... I always struggle with sed, awk is easy but sed makes my head hurt. I am trying to capitalise the first tow words on each line (I could use awk as well but I have to use sed so it seems churlish to start another process).

Re: [9fans] parallel systems

2009-10-28 Thread W B Hacker
Sam Watkins wrote: - a factory's line can be brought to a standstill if one of its elements breaks; one would hope that software elements do not break so much - a factory 's line is at least as slow as its slowest worker a slow part of the line can be split / duplicated to use multiple

Re: [9fans] Two suggestions for ape

2009-10-26 Thread W B Hacker
Dmitry Golubovsky wrote: On Oct 26, 9:21Â am, 23h...@googlemail.com (hiro) wrote: Since the purpose of ape is to emulate the environment configure is expected to run in, and such mismatch has been found, it migh be easier to fix ape than to convince maintaners of autoconf to fix on their

Re: [9fans] go to this site

2009-10-26 Thread W B Hacker
ron minnich wrote: How about: Clouds: how we reinvented the time sharing bureau, which we all hated, back in the day, and replaced with our own computers, and recreated the time sharing bureau in our own company, and hated it, and now our management has decided they hate us and want to fire our

Re: [9fans] So quiet!

2009-10-23 Thread W B Hacker
erik quanstrom wrote: On Thu Oct 22 22:54:41 EDT 2009, eri...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone is busy drinking and debating protocol semantics. I think we've managed to empty the coraid fridge of beer. skip, sorry about that. we drank all your beer. - erik Tsk, Tsk, ..and here some of us

Re: [9fans] So quiet!

2009-10-23 Thread W B Hacker
David Leimbach wrote: on the contrary... I have always equated the plan 9 crowd as the most punkrock of the alternative OS crowd. On 10/23/09, W B Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: erik quanstrom wrote: On Thu Oct 22 22:54:41 EDT 2009, eri...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone is busy drinking

Re: [9fans] Two suggestions for ape (was: egrep for Plan9)

2009-10-23 Thread W B Hacker
Charles Forsyth wrote: it's /rc/bin/ape/ls that would change, not Plan 9's ls-proper. what does autoconf do with the `inode number'? Haven't you heard of the elephant that escaped from a traveling circus and wandered into the vegetable garden of a lady who had never seen an elephant in

Re: [9fans] usb disk error

2009-10-20 Thread W B Hacker
erik quanstrom wrote: i don't recall getting these before. this seems like new behavior. i got 4 of these when downloading 4gb of pictures from a sd card. never in the same place twice. sb600 ohci controller. disk... reset: device is detached it seems that umsrecover - umsreset - usbcmd

Re: [9fans] Parallelism is over a barrel(fish)?

2009-10-19 Thread W B Hacker
Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: From last week's ACM Technews ... Why Desktop Multiprocessing Has Speed Limits Computerworld (10/05/09) Vol. 43, No. 30, P. 24; Wood, Lamont Despite the mainstreaming of multicore processors for desktops, not every desktop application can be rewritten

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-15 Thread W B Hacker
Richard Miller wrote: It's easy to write good code that will take advantage of arbitrarily many processors to run faster / smoother, if you have a proper language for the task. ... and if you can find a way around Amdahl's law (qv). http://www.cis.temple.edu/~shi/docs/amdahl/amdahl.html

Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1)

2009-10-09 Thread W B Hacker
lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: but by 1990 with microchannel c. things were much more closed off. i thought only one company ever really made microchannel, and even they weren't terribly in earnest in the end, except on non-PC things like RS6000. IBM tried to recover control over the PC market

Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) LONG POST

2009-10-09 Thread W B Hacker
erik quanstrom wrote: lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: but by 1990 with microchannel c. things were much more closed off. i thought only one company ever really made microchannel, and even they weren't terribly in earnest in the end, except on non-PC things like RS6000. IBM tried to recover

Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) - LONG POST

2009-10-09 Thread W B Hacker
lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: wikipedia agrees with lucio on this point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture#Marketshare_issues The majority within IBM never wanted into that part of the market in the first place, as it was seen as cannibalizing not only 3XXX terminal sales,

Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) - LONG POST

2009-10-09 Thread W B Hacker
Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:15:59 +0800 W B Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: The only 'glue' needed was level-shifters - discrete transistors on my OSI Challenger II, Motorola 1488 1489 diode-coupled-logic on everything up until the 16XXX derivative of the 8250

Re: [9fans] iwp9: getting from Atlanta to Athens

2009-10-07 Thread W B Hacker
Michaelian Ennis wrote: http://www.pacificwings.com/gsky/gs/ $89 USD commuter flight round-trip Atlanta - Athens. ian viamichelin.com puts it at 127 km, ~12 Euro for fuel, and 1hr 40 minutes. Bill

Re: [9fans] vga support for Via Unichrome

2009-10-07 Thread W B Hacker
Lyndon Nerenberg - VE6BBM/VE7TFX wrote: Is anyone working on Unichrome vga support? Besides Unichrome, which CPU, RAM, MB ~bridge chips are you trying to use it with? ISTR having it up on a VIA C3 ~ 700 MHz, 1 GB SDRAM with embedded Unichrome onboard about 2+ years ago.. And the CD

Re: [9fans] vga support for Via Unichrome

2009-10-07 Thread W B Hacker
W B Hacker wrote: Lyndon Nerenberg - VE6BBM/VE7TFX wrote: Is anyone working on Unichrome vga support? Besides Unichrome, which CPU, RAM, MB ~bridge chips are you trying to use it with? ISTR having it up on a VIA C3 ~ 700 MHz, 1 GB SDRAM with embedded Unichrome onboard about 2+ years ago

Re: [9fans] vga support for Via Unichrome

2009-10-07 Thread W B Hacker
Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: Besides Unichrome, which CPU, RAM, MB ~bridge chips are you trying to use it with? ISTR having it up on a VIA C3 ~ 700 MHz, 1 GB SDRAM with embedded Unichrome onboard about 2+ years ago.. It's a 1GHz C7 EPIA mini-ITX board, CN400 chipset (I *think*

Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1)

2009-10-06 Thread W B Hacker
ron minnich wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM, W B Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: Anyone know if the AMD environment is any more 'open'? way, way, more open. same with via. They regularly contribute chipset source code to coreboot. That's my measure. I hadn't paid much attention

Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1)

2009-10-06 Thread W B Hacker
ron minnich wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Dave Eckhardt davide...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: For something nobody would want to do, there sure are a lot of hits for pcs750.bin. It's the difference between nobody would want to do it and we don't want you do it ;-) ron To me, the 'meat' of