Just curious what 9fans use, for home and/or work, to backup their macs.
time machine?
to a local (usb,firewire) disk?
or remote (time capsule, nas (not officially sanctioned by apple))?
or eat our own dog food and use eg. venti?
or tra?
or no backup necessary because everything important is alr
> Just curious what 9fans use, for home and/or work, to backup their macs.
I use venti. On servers, I use /n/sources/contrib/anothy/bin/rc/vacbak from cron
and have the system submit the score to my plan9 server. I tried using vbackup
first, but there's a huge volume of stuff on these systems I d
> When non-plan9 people ask me this question I tell them to get an external
> disk and use Time Machine.
I would tell it to Plan9 folks as well. There is no way to
recover from a catestrophic disk failure on a Mac using venti.
Two days ago I spent $137 on a 1TB external USB disk. I now have an
On Fri Sep 30 13:51:19 EDT 2011, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
> > When non-plan9 people ask me this question I tell them to get an external
> > disk and use Time Machine.
>
> I would tell it to Plan9 folks as well. There is no way to
> recover from a catestrophic disk failure on a Mac using venti.
>
> backup:
> 1. power down mac. remove hard drive.
> 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti.
>
> restore:
> 1. copy your backup onto drive
> 2. install hard drive. power up mac.
Disassembling the machine every night to back it up is not on.
On Fri Sep 30 15:22:19 EDT 2011, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
> > backup:
> > 1. power down mac. remove hard drive.
> > 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti.
> >
> > restore:
> > 1. copy your backup onto drive
> > 2. install hard drive. power up mac.
>
> Disassembling the machine ever
> how come you keep changing the parameters after you get
> in-principle solutions? :-)
Ask the guys who make those crappy hard disk ball bearings.
They are the ones who keep changing the parameters :-P
At work, I use Time Machine to a Linux server, then vac the Time
Machine files to venti.
At home, I just use Time Machine to a Linux server. I am planning to
add the vac to venti at some point.
Thanks,
Lucho
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Axel Belinfante
wrote:
> Just curious what 9fans us
On Fri Sep 30 15:46:25 EDT 2011, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
> > how come you keep changing the parameters after you get
> > in-principle solutions? :-)
>
> Ask the guys who make those crappy hard disk ball bearings.
> They are the ones who keep changing the parameters :-P
there are no hard drives
What I do is to consider the macs as volatile.
Very much like "firmware".
All the stuff I care about is in our main file server.
I might either use my files using the octopus or just cache them in the local
disk of the mac when I need that.
To recover such "firmware", yes, I use an external disk a
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:19:26 +0200 Axel Belinfante
wrote:
> Just curious what 9fans use, for home and/or work, to backup their macs.
I use Time machine on zfs + freebsd + netatalk. [Broken ATM
since the Lion uprgade. Need to update to netatalk-2.2.1]
> context: we are reconsidering how to do t
On Sep 30, 2011, at 13:59, erik quanstrom wrote:
> backup:
> 1. power down mac. remove hard drive.
> 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti.
>
> restore:
> 1. copy your backup onto drive
> 2. install hard drive. power up mac.
In principal, that's roughly what vbackup does, except
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:59:00 -0400
erik quanstrom wrote:
> backup:
> 1. power down mac. remove hard drive.
> 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti.
>
> restore:
> 1. copy your backup onto drive
> 2. install hard drive. power up mac.
ROFL! What I guess you don't know is you can mo
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:50:23 -0600
Latchesar Ionkov wrote:
> At work, I use Time Machine to a Linux server.
You can do this? I tried to use a second internal drive for Time
Machine but it claimed "Cannot find wifi" and refused to proceed. (O.o)
This was with Leopard; maybe it only worked with Ap
> erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> > backup:
> > 1. power down mac. remove hard drive.
> > 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti.
> >
> > restore:
> > 1. copy your backup onto drive
> > 2. install hard drive. power up mac.
>
> ROFL! What I guess you don't know is you can more or less do
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 11:24:07 -0400
erik quanstrom wrote:
> and as long as your drive isn't soldered to the mb, your storage
> is fancy enough. after that we're just arguing over convienience.
Right. :D
When my home directory is less than 2 gigabytes in size, I use
dump9660 from Plan 9 port (or a standalone relative).
Otherwise I rsync my home to a DragonFly BSD system and take a HAMMER snapshot.
-- vs
> Just curious what 9fans use, for home and/or work, to backup their macs.
At work everything is FreeBSD and backups are not my worry.
At home I use rsync to keep a copy of my home directory at work,
and just reinstall everything else. So far I've had to do that
once. Huge files which can be dow
> ROFL! What I guess you don't know is you can more or less do this
> without disassembling the Mac. Boot the Mac with the right keys pressed
> (I forget which) and it will emulate a Firewire drive.
ROFL! What you don't know is (most) Macs no longer have Firewire
interfaces.
On Oct 1, 2011, at 14:21 , Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote:
> What you don't know is (most) Macs no longer have Firewire interfaces.
This works again with the newest Macs with Thunderbolt.
Lest this just be even further off topic, the relevant point here is that beyond
erik's "unless your
1. I liked the distinction noted between 'backups' and 'archives'.
2. Cloning a drive is of limited use on any system.
Isn't "future proof", doesn't scale, doesn't allow for disk size
changes or hardware changes.
Is a necessary part of an Admin Toolkit, but only for very
particular situati
> 2. Cloning a drive is of limited use on any system.
> Isn't "future proof", doesn't scale, doesn't allow for disk size
> changes or hardware changes.
> Is a necessary part of an Admin Toolkit, but only for very
> particular situations.
really?
what do you mean by "doesn't allow for hard
w.r.t. Disk Cloning.
you are conflating multiple issues:
- hardware disk imaging
- managing NAS appliances
- handling VM images
I agree with you.
Cloning drives in low-end NAS appliances is quick, simple and effective.
I had a lot of fun a year ago documenting how to clone config and data
from
> You are right that cloning disk *images* is an essential part of
> using/managing VM's.
> Don't conflate that with cloning physical disks.
why not? this reminds me of the mem "$x ... with a computer".
i think we've gotten to the point where we keep hearing "$x ... with v12n".
and why make such
erik quanstrom wrote on 2/10/11 1:37 PM:
> it's all block storage.
>
Nope.
In the same way that RAM is finely differentiated with many
incompatibilities & 'gotchas'.
It's not "all memory".
Go away and actually *do* the thing you are suggesting, then tell us how
you went.
Get 3-4 macbooks. Pr
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:07 AM, steve jenkin wrote:
> erik quanstrom wrote on 2/10/11 1:37 PM:
>> it's all block storage.
>>
>
> Nope.
> In the same way that RAM is finely differentiated with many
> incompatibilities & 'gotchas'.
> It's not "all memory".
>
> Go away and actually *do* the thing y
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:07 AM, steve jenkin wrote:
> erik quanstrom wrote on 2/10/11 1:37 PM:
>> it's all block storage.
>>
>
> Nope.
> In the same way that RAM is finely differentiated with many
> incompatibilities & 'gotchas'.
> It's not "all memory".
>
> Go away and actually *do* the thing yo
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:29:29 -0400
Anthony Sorace wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 14:21 , Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote:
>
> > What you don't know is (most) Macs no longer have Firewire interfaces.
>
> This works again with the newest Macs with Thunderbolt.
LOL yeah, I forgot but I knew th
Salman Aljammaz wrote on 3/10/11 12:30 AM:
> my mac's old hard drive, with os x and all my data, has been through 3
> macbook(pro)s without a single os x reinstall. recently i dd'd it
> into an ssd which replaced it with no issue.
>
> unless the interface is physically incompatible with your machi
Iruatã Souza wrote on 2/10/11 11:38 PM:
> you know so much, and yet you failed to read that this is not a mac list.
>
>
and yet this is a rather rude, unhelpful list.
1. the subject line is "Off Topic". That's a clue.
2. I didn't start the thread. I responded to it.
3. The lack of any real t
On Sun Oct 2 23:58:29 EDT 2011, stevej...@gmail.com wrote:
> Iruatã Souza wrote on 2/10/11 11:38 PM:
> > you know so much, and yet you failed to read that this is not a mac list.
> >
> >
> and yet this is a rather rude, unhelpful list.
>
> 1. the subject line is "Off Topic". That's a clue.
>
Anthony Sorace writes:
> I use venti. On servers, I use /n/sources/contrib/anothy/bin/rc/vacbak from
> cron
> and have the system submit the score to my plan9 server. I tried using vbackup
> first, but there's a huge volume of stuff on these systems I don't need to
> have
> backups of (and coul
On Nov 1, 2011, at 14:15 , smi...@icebubble.org wrote:
> Anthony Sorace writes:
>
>> I use venti. On servers, I use /n/sources/contrib/anothy/bin/rc/vacbak from
>> cron
>> and have the system submit the score to my plan9 server. I tried using
>> vbackup
>> first, but there's a huge volume of s
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, erik quanstrom
wrote:
> backup:
> 1. power down mac. remove hard drive.
> 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti.
>
> restore:
> 1. copy your backup onto drive
> 2. install hard drive. power up mac.
If there were/is block device firewire support in
On Thu Nov 3 16:56:29 EDT 2011, michaelian.en...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, erik quanstrom
> wrote:
>
> > backup:
> > 1. power down mac. remove hard drive.
> > 2. stuff drive as one gigantic file into venti.
> >
> > restore:
> > 1. copy your backup onto drive
> > 2.
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