[9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Adriano Verardo
Hi all, As a professional user I think that Plan9 could be better than *nix for a large class of industrial - not time critical - applications but in Italy nobody use it, except of no more than a dozen of fans. The University doesn't know it at all. Of course, this is what I see. I would be ha

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
> without > guarantees about > its longevity, it could be a wrong choice. > > How can I reply to this objection ? i think for most companies the issues are (a) lack of people with skills to build and maintain plan9 systems and (b) most IT departments are used to -- and seek -- point solutions th

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Anthony Sorace
Plan 9 is an open source project; as such, you get at least the same baseline "guarantees" about its longevity as every open source project enjoys: as long as someone's interested, work can continue. there are still Bell Labs staff who work on Plan 9, although i don't believe they're working on it

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread erik quanstrom
> As a professional user I think that Plan9 could be better than *nix for a > large class of industrial - not time critical - applications but in > Italy nobody use it, except of no more than a dozen of fans. The University > doesn't > know it at all. Of course, this is what I see. I would be h

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Uriel
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > Plan 9 is an open source project The Plan 9 code base (at least the released parts of it) is open source. Plan 9 is *not* an open source project, it can hardly be called a project even: There is no release management, there is no developmen

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Uriel wrote: > Plan 9 is *not* an open source project, it can hardly be called a > project even: There is no release management, there is no development > process, there is no way to know what anyone is working on, no way to > have any idea of what changes and feat

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread dorin bumbu
There are thousands of devices shipped with Microsoft Windows CE prior to version 4 (.NET). For these devices MS never offered patches even if these versions had lots of bugs, nor even standard C libraries (thank God there is wcecompat). And there are lot of projects that reached 10+ years (with wo

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:35 PM, dorin bumbu wrote: > There are thousands of devices shipped with Microsoft Windows CE prior > to version 4 (.NET). For these devices MS never offered patches even > if these versions had lots of bugs, nor even standard C libraries > (thank God there is wcecompat). A

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Adriano Verardo
dorin bumbu wrote: There are thousands of devices shipped with Microsoft Windows CE prior to version 4 (.NET). For these devices MS never offered patches even if these versions had lots of bugs, nor even standard C libraries (thank God there is wcecompat). And there are lot of projects that reach

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Uriel wrote: > >> Plan 9 is *not* an open source project > I once attended a talk where a statement was made about open source projects being defined by their ability to fork in non-destructive manners as a sort of evolutionary response. Plan 9's source code is av

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Corey
On Saturday 18 July 2009 12:29:29 Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > The secret plan 9 super secret > society fork is yet another evolution, actually primarily motivated by > bitter, disruptive, and ultimately destructive community members. > Curiosity has just got the best of me. Can you shed a little

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Corey wrote: > On Saturday 18 July 2009 12:29:29 Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: >> The secret plan 9 super secret >> society fork is yet another evolution, actually primarily motivated by >> bitter, disruptive, and ultimately destructive community members. >> > > Curios

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Corey wrote: >> On Saturday 18 July 2009 12:29:29 Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: >>> The secret plan 9 super secret >>> society fork is yet another evolution, actually primarily motivated by >>> bitter, disru

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Corey
On Saturday 18 July 2009 12:50:39 Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Corey wrote: > > On Saturday 18 July 2009 12:29:29 Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > >> The secret plan 9 super secret > >> society fork is yet another evolution, actually primarily motivated by > >> bitter,

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Adriano Verardo
Anthony Sorace wrote: i, at least, would be interested to know more about what the specific concerns are. that is, is it about availability, future evolution, commercial support, or something else? anthony Mainly availability. In the past I had some difficulties when I suggested to use FreeB

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-18 Thread Corey
On Saturday 18 July 2009 10:59:20 ron minnich wrote: > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Uriel wrote: > > So you are on your own, you can take the code (while the site happens > > to be up, or from a mirror), do whatever you like with it, but that is > > all there is and all anyone can count on. >

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-19 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:40:14 +0200 Adriano Verardo wrote: > Unbelievable but true, a driver (or a patch to a driver or whatever > else) done by an > italian is not considered as good as the stuff from the original site. > It is a psychological problem I have often to face with. Open-source

Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project

2009-07-20 Thread Iruata Souza
it is so difficult to 'fork' the project that it took me less than 10 minutes to turn the kernel sources into a hg repository. On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Uriel wrote: > >> Plan 9 is *not* an open source project, it can hardly be called a