[9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Steve Simon
what the subject says, anyone put their venti (those that use it) on a solid state disk? -Steve

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread a
I have not yet, but i've been meaning to play around some with different arrangements for different parts. Please let us know if you hear anything interesting. Anthony

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread geoff
I tried putting our index on a single OCZ SSD and it died during buildindex. The SSD was completely unresponsive thereafter, which is pretty appalling behaviour for a storage device. Having since sworn off OCZ, I would try again with a pair of Intel 330s in a RAID.

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Veety
I tried putting venti on an ssd with similar results. Fossil, kenfs, and cwfs all worked fine on that drive though. I think it was one of the earlier Intels. On May 3, 2013, at 16:59, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > I tried putting our index on a single OCZ SSD and it died during buildindex.

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread cinap_lenrek
i have 60GB intel ssd in my new fileserver holding the cwfs worm cache. no problems so far. but the machine is just up for two weeks. its an experiment. if it breaks i have spare sata drive that could replace it. the worm is on a mirror with traditional mechanical harddrives. cpu% cat '#S/sdC0/ct

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 3 May 2013 21:59, wrote: > I tried putting our index on a single OCZ SSD and it died during > buildindex. > The SSD was completely unresponsive thereafter, which is pretty > appalling behaviour for a storage device. > I had similar problems with OCZ. I was only copying venti state (as raw par

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 1:59 PM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > I tried putting our index on a single OCZ SSD and it died during buildindex. > The SSD was completely unresponsive thereafter, which is pretty > appalling behaviour for a storage device. Having since sworn off > OCZ, I would try again

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread cinap_lenrek
ocz seems to have a bad reputation. just googled "intel ssd broken" and you get tons of results from people with broken/dead ocz ssd's. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
We've had a lot of success with Intel SSDs, only problem is that they seem to be in short supply right now. We're also looking at Samsung SSDs, and they seem to be perhaps even better than the Intel SSDs. OCZs break often in my experience. 2013/5/3 : > ocz seems to have a bad reputation. just goo

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
> I was running a really bastardized mix of old and new boot software, > so it's quite possible I screwed up installing the correct MBR and > boot loader. But it might also have been a problem with the BIOS or > SATA controller on the motherboard -- it's a slightly ancient > Supermicro Atom 1U, an

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 6:31 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: > ocz seems to have a bad reputation. just googled "intel ssd broken" > and you get tons of results from people with broken/dead ocz ssd's. Disk drive reliability comes and goes with the seasons. For years I only ran Seagate disks, and woul

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 6:43 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > (i'm not absolving the drive. just saying that there are plan 9 > issues affecting your machine.) No doubt. But I got it to the point where it's working quite happily. And it can maintain that steady state until it tips over and dies, at whi

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
> Disk drive reliability comes and goes with the seasons. For years I > only ran Seagate disks, and wouldn't go near WD. Then, after a 30% > failure run on < 1 year old Seagates, I switched back to WDs, which > have been flawless for me. So far. And Hitachi has drifted in and > out of the pictur

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 6:51 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > imho, applying 50 years of experience with spinning hard drives with > the relatively new flash memory drive is a suspect comparison. Is it? Cheap SSD seems to break as often as cheap spinny disks. According to everyone's anecdotal stories, a

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 3 17:59:27 EDT 2013, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: > i have 60GB intel ssd in my new fileserver holding the > cwfs worm cache. no problems so far. but the machine is > just up for two weeks. as long as we're straying from venti, i'll say that i've used ssds in ken's file server as both ca

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
> On 2013-05-03, at 6:51 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > > imho, applying 50 years of experience with spinning hard drives with > > the relatively new flash memory drive is a suspect comparison. > > Is it? Cheap SSD seems to break as often as cheap spinny disks. According > to everyone's anecdot

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-05-03, at 7:00 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > well clearly, we must lump everything > that breaks "anecdotally as often" > in the same catagory, > by manufacturer. Exactly. That's where we started this conversation :-)

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 10:00:41PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: > > On 2013-05-03, at 6:51 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > > > > imho, applying 50 years of experience with spinning hard drives with > > > the relatively new flash memory drive is a suspect comparison. > > > > Is it? Cheap SSD seems

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
> > well clearly, we must lump everything > > that breaks "anecdotally as often" > > in the same catagory, > > by manufacturer. > > > > - erik > > > > that was the worst haiku I've ever seen oh, now. you give me too much credit. i wasn't even trying. - erik

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Steven Stallion
I had originally used a Crucial 32GB SSD years ago and swapped to a 55GB OCZ enterprise drive (using sdahci). More recently I've moved my venti arenas over to plan9port and have switched over to using the entire SSD for fossil. So far this has been faster than running venti natively - though I stil

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread cinap_lenrek
cwfs copies the blocks from worm into the cache on read. so the working set is served from the ssd and the ram buffer cache. reading /n/dump would hit the mechanical disk tho. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread cinap_lenrek
no cats in picture! -- cinap

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 4 May 2013 00:59, Charles Forsyth wrote: > I had similar problems with OCZ. I ought to have observed that I bought the drive from Fry's as refurbished, which probably wasn't a good recommendation for a drive that was fairly new.

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sat May 4 00:18:46 EDT 2013, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: > cwfs copies the blocks from worm into the cache on read. > so the working set is served from the ssd and the ram > buffer cache. reading /n/dump would hit the mechanical > disk tho. that's an option for ken's fs. i haven't found that i

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread Bakul Shah
> > I had similar problems with OCZ. > > I ought to have observed that I bought the drive from Fry's as refurbished, > which probably wasn't a good recommendation for a drive that was fairly new. Three strikes. Fate couldn't resist.

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-03 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri May 3 23:27:40 EDT 2013, sstall...@gmail.com wrote: > I had originally used a Crucial 32GB SSD years ago and swapped to a 55GB > OCZ enterprise drive (using sdahci). More recently I've moved my venti > arenas over to plan9port and have switched over to using the entire SSD for > fossil. So

Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?

2013-05-04 Thread Steven Stallion
Makes sense. Moving to plan9port had more to do with making better use of the ReadyNAS in the rack than anything else. The performance was a nice if unexpected side-effect. On Friday, May 3, 2013, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Fri May 3 23:27:40 EDT 2013, sstall...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I had ori