Re: [9fans] bitsy boot problems

2008-03-07 Thread ron minnich
So FWIW I just told john two things (we work in the unix room here at sandia labs ... we even have a pjw poster). I just get in later because he is the industrious intern and I am the grizzled old guy. First: the boot process is dying. One easy thing to do is set up so that when you boot it drops

Re: [9fans] New user question

2008-03-06 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:28 PM, philo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > However thus far I have been unable to access the fossil partition where > Plan 9 is installed > > what command are you using? What does ls -l /dev/sdC0 look like? ron

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-06 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Bruce Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it's even sillier, if everyone bought 1,000,000 times as many tickets > > guess how that would change the probabilities. not at all! > > The main problem is: statistics is no

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-04 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Philippe Anel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you working on this port Ron ? soon. I just realized today that, for the part, linuxemu may save our neck on the XT4. That's because there are proprietary programs that need to run, and they are only linux programs.

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-04 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Paweł Lasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >And there were available methods for routing HT > traffic with number of sockets nearing thousands or tens of thousands. as in this: http://www.cray.com/products/xt4/ > Dunno if they used it directly with cache coherency pr

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-02 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Philippe Anel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If CSP system itself takes care about memory hierarchy and uses no > synchronisation (using IPI to send message to another core by example), > CSP scales very well. Is this something you have measured or is this conject

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-01 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Paul Lalonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Except that all our users code in C++. The complicated kind, with > templates and hideous metaprogramming. And can even show good reason > to do so. welcome to my life. Lots of holes in the walls around here, roughly

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-01 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ron, I think you're confusing ratfor with software tools. There was a > ratfor implementation in C on Unix, and I wrote ratfor when I had to > use Fortran, and others did too, independent of the software tools > effort. The point o

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-01 Thread ron minnich
There are a ton of biology tools written in rather simple c++. Those people are willing to look at p9 if we have two things: -g++ -python thanks ron

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-01 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Bruce Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also note that neither F77 nor ratfor produced particularly good code. > They did, however, work. Both attributes are required by the Fortran > community. ratfor was a preprocessor written in fortran, for fortran, which we

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-01 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why not just port Version 7 f77 and Version 7 Ratfor? > > Sounds like an idea. Where do I find the source code? Mind you, it's > been tens of years since I programmed in Fortran IV, it's going to be > hard for me to do any testing

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-01 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2008-Feb-29, at 23:11 , ron minnich wrote: > > >> But none of this code will "just work" on Plan 9 (especially the > >> Fortran code), so what's the point? >

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-02-29 Thread ron minnich
http://www.mpqc.org/ ron

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-02-29 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But none of this code will "just work" on Plan 9 (especially the > Fortran code), so what's the point? Why do you say that? ron

Re: [9fans] acme tag line question

2008-02-29 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Rudolf Sykora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's really a pity that the programs are not well documented... How can one > really appreciate the work when he/she is unable to powerfully use it... submit a patch for the man page. ron

Re: [9fans] Soekris 5501s (was kenfs)

2008-02-27 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > does anyone know what gbe chip they're using in the '62? > i couldn't find any documentation on their website. > I will try to check tonight or tomorrow. I have one at home all cracked open. ron

Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008

2008-02-27 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:36 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > like a dog? More like a pine box. ron

Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008

2008-02-27 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we were talking about Gorka. > I added at least 20 years to his age when I fixed his Mac. ron

Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008

2008-02-27 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:43 PM, hiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But they will rather want a bit more experienced people, won't they? well, you can apply and see. we don't assume students are all 30-years grizzled veterans. ron

Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008

2008-02-27 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM, don bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seriously? What's the pay look like? well it's student pay. It's an intern position. ron

Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008

2008-02-27 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM, hiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why didn't you just use that old list of ideas? I think there was more > than one page already, full with ideas from last year. Fuck, it feels > like i did my last years application like a few weeks ago. I must have > wasted m

Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions

2008-02-26 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Current or obsolete architectures? The Sperry Univac 1100 Series, > designed by Seymour Craye (sp? Cray. I had no idea he designed it. It had a great front panel -- the lights were switches. I operated an 1108 as a student at E.I

Re: [9fans] today's quiz

2008-02-26 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And which repository - the trunk? sure ron

Re: [9fans] today's quiz

2008-02-26 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Explain what you mean by it - the source code, the binaries, or both? source only. ron

[9fans] today's quiz

2008-02-26 Thread ron minnich
well you all did very well on the 'why bash doesn't run with setuid bit' so I thought some more fun was in order . I svn clone the gcc compiler tree. how big is it? ron

Re: [9fans] Soekris 5501s (was kenfs)

2008-02-26 Thread ron minnich
Somebody asked why I don't use these boards. The main reason was that, whlie they are really great systems, they were not quite hackable enough for BIOS work. Plus, the VGA->serial hardware is not something I need or want, since I run my own BIOS. I'm using two different systems with identical chi

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Fit-PC

2008-02-25 Thread ron minnich
can you boot a standalone linux and cat /proc/cpuinfo and lspci and lspci -v thanks ron

Re: [9fans] plan9 httpd/pegasus on unix?

2008-02-25 Thread ron minnich
I run my web site on plan9. After watching my friends suffer through all the security warnings that come with apache, php, and all the other little bits that go with *nix web servers, I feel like I made an easier choice. Latest one for one site: "We blocked the ports to your web server, you were r

Re: [9fans] Intel ICH7 AHCI

2008-02-23 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i feel your pain. i have a new motherboard with some bad entries in the mp > table, too. Not surprising. What we see, all the time, is that the mobo makers just barely understand these tables, and usually get them qui

Re: [9fans] a challenge

2008-02-22 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:23 AM, andrey mirtchovski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well, i checked the source. turns out bash 3.2 drops privileges if uid > != euid and requires the -p flag to allow itself to run in setuid > mode: I saw something even more bizarre last night on busy box: it looked

[9fans] a challenge

2008-02-22 Thread ron minnich
here is a challenge. I realize it's linux but I think this is the right group to ask anyway; I think you'll appreciate the humor in it. So far few I have talked to have gotten it. There is a file, called /bin/bash. You are allowed to do this as root. cp this file to /tmp. Do something to it to ma

Re: [9fans] Small GCC steps...

2008-02-22 Thread ron minnich
well, I think this will be useful. The big challenge is to get it back to the gcc core so we don't have a full port each time. ron

Re: [9fans] managing windows in rio

2008-02-21 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Mathieu L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find it quite a tedious operation to point at the corner of a window > with the cursor so that I can resize/move it, especially on the laptop > when I'm stuck without a mouse. > I like the feature in wmii where one can

[9fans] back in print: the elements of networking style (padlipski)

2008-02-20 Thread ron minnich
"If you know what you are doing, 3 layers are probably enough; if you don't know, even 17 layers won't help you" just got my copy. Amazon. ron

Re: Page-aligned executables (Was re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions)

2008-02-18 Thread ron minnich
On Feb 18, 2008 10:20 AM, Joel C. Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...and then he answered his own question: > > It kinda works good one :-) how about: "it works so well that nobody knows it is happening" :-) ron

Re: Page-aligned executables (Was re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions)

2008-02-18 Thread ron minnich
On Feb 18, 2008 10:06 AM, Joel C. Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given the 'joys' of mmap over remote file > systems, we *really* don't want it in Plan 9 as-is! What are those "joys" of which you speak? Just about every Unix system in the world today (including linux) that does an exec ove

Re: Page-aligned executables (Was re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions)

2008-02-18 Thread ron minnich
On Feb 18, 2008 8:53 AM, Joel C. Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ron mentioned that tidbit in his IWP9 talk about booting Plan 9 under > lguest. Lguest (or was it another virtualizer?) uses mmap so it can > load any arbitrary number of client kernels; 9l-produced ELF files > break that model

Re: [9fans] ctags on plan 9 with acme-friendly tags

2008-02-16 Thread ron minnich
I'm interested, I've wanted a tag-like thing for Acme for years, and was too lazy to write it. ron

Re: [9fans] Consindering eBox-4854 for Plan9

2008-02-15 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:56 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > fortunately adding one more thing to the list of things > to do will not decrease the amount of my infinite spare > time. Maybe all the 9fans moved here? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418737/ In any event, you forgo

Re: [9fans] Consindering eBox-4854 for Plan9

2008-02-15 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:47 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > actually programming documentation or just code? just code, but, while I realize code alone is often useless, I am willing to bet the docs in this case are less useful than code. The code will have all the huge doc gap

Re: [9fans] Consindering eBox-4854 for Plan9

2008-02-15 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:38 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > vesa mode works. unichrome II is propritary and you can't get the > programming docs without an nda. That's changing. Native linuxbios mode support is coming. So the information will exist outside NDA. ron

Re: [9fans] Google search of the day

2008-02-15 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:43 AM, maht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles Moore said that you get about 40 items on the stack in a big > program iirc, though that was a few years ago. > he musta never done breakpoint in SunOS on a read ... there was so much on the stack you couldn't display

[9fans] ATAPI document

2008-02-14 Thread ron minnich
Once, long ago, I found a copy of the ATAPI spec that did not require me sending $$$ to T13. Anybody seen that lately or have a link? ron

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

2008-02-09 Thread ron minnich
On Feb 9, 2008 8:17 AM, Brantley Coile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to hear what Rob or others have to say about the > assembler syntax, but I actually like the syntax for the following > reason. if you love assembly code, the assembler on Plan 9 is not great. If you love assembly co

Re: [9fans] 9pcf debugging

2008-02-04 Thread ron minnich
We had this problem too on LinuxBIOS, and it's a real problem when you've just powered on and have no memory or stack. But some vendors are claiming they have dropped serial to save money, since we have "the Universal Serial Bus for serial I/O". Fortunately, the universal serial bus guys finally f

Re: [9fans] A newbie question...

2008-02-02 Thread ron minnich
On Feb 2, 2008 11:22 AM, Juan M. Mendez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So what are the facts to back up so many posts regarding autotools badness? > Just curious. 1. it's not needed. See plan9 ports and lots of other tools that somehow get by without it. 2. a 150,000 line configure shell script? Th

Re: [9fans] $200 walmart PC

2008-02-02 Thread ron minnich
On Feb 2, 2008 11:06 AM, Dan Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008 1:30 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So these are really effective Plan 9 boxes. 512G memory feels so roomy! > > I'm thinking that 512G is pretty roomy at this time

[9fans] $200 walmart PC

2008-02-02 Thread ron minnich
works like a champ. I yanked the drives out of the old K7-based box, dropped them into the walmart PC, after removing the 80G gOS drive, plugged it into the net, and was up in no time. So these are really effective Plan 9 boxes. 512G memory feels so roomy! ron

Re: [9fans] The $200 walmart "gPC"

2008-02-01 Thread ron minnich
On Feb 1, 2008 3:41 AM, Charles Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no doubt they all use different instructions and conventions so > we'll need an array of implementations. oh yeah, they are all quite different. Great fun, eh? And now there is a 64-bit via part. ron

[9fans] The $200 walmart "gPC"

2008-01-31 Thread ron minnich
seems to run Plan 9 right out of the box. It's an rtl8139, the graphics work, I am going to transplant the drives to it tomorrow and see if it all continues to "just work". But the Plan 9 install CD booted and ran just fine. Seems like a nice fast little machine for Plan 9. Of course, Plan 9 has gr

[9fans] I like this one

2008-01-29 Thread ron minnich
new w/gcc 4.3: "- The |constructor| and |destructor| function attributes now accept optional priority arguments which control the order in which the constructor and destructor functions are run." woo hoo! Now is that signed? What's the precision? 32 bits? Or can it be floating point? "I want prio

Re: [9fans] How to read/write pixels from Memimage

2008-01-28 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 28, 2008 1:24 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 9fans is not a blog, try blogger.com now now now :-) Why give the guy a hard time, he's actually discussing real coding he is doing :-) ron

Re: [9fans] new thx9 image

2008-01-24 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 24, 2008 3:52 PM, Latchesar Ionkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why do you need linuxemu when i've got linux running under it? Just wondering > :) I just figured I'd toss it in so people could play with it. There's no good reason. ron

[9fans] new thx9 image

2008-01-24 Thread ron minnich
/n/sources/contrib/rminnich/lguest/thx9.bz2 includes fgb's ssh2, linuxemu, abaco, and links. It's the wrong webfs I guess as abaco won't do gmail. It has a working NAT script. What we need now are simple startup script builders or scripts. E.g., x60wireless would start up an x60 with wireless.

Re: [9fans] Re: Building GCC

2008-01-24 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 24, 2008 7:37 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should Van Gogh have followed popular trends in art at the time? I'm not van gogh, and I want to use the systems now, not after I'm dead. ron

Re: [9fans] Re: Building GCC

2008-01-23 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 23, 2008 6:17 AM, Iruata Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008 7:35 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > flash doesn't have anything to do with compliance. nor does javascript. > speaking of the web, you should be compliant with what you choose to > implement. > if you only imple

Re: [9fans] Building GCC

2008-01-22 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 22, 2008 9:07 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also - some (HPC) apps that we want to run on Plan 9 have silly > > dependencies on things like X11. However, that gets into a different > > topic than I think the original poster was talking about. > > they're running X on blu

Re: [9fans] Building GCC

2008-01-22 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 22, 2008 9:07 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'm not arguing with your point. i think it's a good one, although > not my style. but on a practical level, how do you get any of the > plan 9 graphical apps to work if you're running x11/kde on top of > plan 9? conversely, h

Re: [9fans] Building GCC

2008-01-22 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 22, 2008 4:15 AM, Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > why use plan 9 at all? why not just install linux or freebsd? because, like it or not, lack of some familiar apps is a barrier to entry for many, if not most, of the people I show Plan 9 to. That said, I would probably draw the lin

Re: [9fans] Plan9 + XEN

2008-01-17 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 17, 2008 1:10 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > can plan9 run in an XEN dom1 ? yep, for both xen2 and xen3, it's been working for several years now. ron

Re: [9fans] man is really slow on a terminal

2008-01-16 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 16, 2008 3:42 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > as i understand it, the problem is not the bandwidth of the link. > the problem is that firmware running on the graphics card'is not > set up to handle read requests quickly. i think they assume that > you're not going to do tha

[9fans] FYI: why the TSC is utterly useless

2008-01-16 Thread ron minnich
I just found this nice summary and thought some of you might enjoy it ... http://ltt.polymtl.ca/svn/ltt/branches/poly/doc/developer/tsc.txt Essentially, it's why the time stamp counter does not actually count time on newer CPUs, making it somewhat less than useful. It's got links for the amd info.

Re: [9fans] man is really slow on a terminal

2008-01-16 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 16, 2008 3:14 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is there a problem with the generality of this patch? Note that the patch is saved, and I'm guessing there is a reason: it's arguably gross to expose the MTRRs to the world. I was thinking about this. It seems to me that MTRRs c

Re: [9fans] man is really slow on a terminal

2008-01-16 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 16, 2008 11:05 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you mean write combining? :-) I always do that. yes write combining. ron

Re: [9fans] man is really slow on a terminal

2008-01-16 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 16, 2008 10:19 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That > and the really poor performance that comes when I have overlapping windows and > try to bring one forward are the only things that are bugging me on the > terminal. > That can be fixed via mtrr patches. You can find them in here: /n/s

Re: [9fans] site is down?

2008-01-12 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 12, 2008 5:45 AM, Iruata Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know why people cant come here complain about this, but the > site is down *again*. it's simple. Do you help support it? Do you contribute money to keep it going? Do you send them hardware to help them in some way? People

Re: [9fans] Re: ruby port 1.8.1 ready to use

2008-01-10 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 10, 2008 12:06 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, but first you'll need a ticket to Japan. Can you read the > language, and any questions? I'm a US citizen. For these cases, we just talk louder. ron

Re: [9fans] Re: ruby port 1.8.1 ready to use

2008-01-10 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 10, 2008 1:11 AM, Federico G. Benavento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh, btw, I won't send a diff to the author saying "dude, char * isn't the same > as unsigned char *!" I will if you want me to. Maybe he'll ask me to fix his laptop. ron

Re: [9fans] dmamode

2008-01-10 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 10, 2008 10:16 AM, andrey mirtchovski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > echo in cpurc. same for rwm... > I hate changing cpurc, but maybe I'm too squeamish. Is that really the way? ron

Re: [9fans] RFC: MailFS-NG

2008-01-08 Thread ron minnich
Enrico, as the song says, we can talk, talk, talk, bicker, bicker, bicker*, but at some point, it's time to build a test bench and try your ideas out. So, do it. Take a shot at writing the code. These discussions never end. At some point it's time to give it a try. thanks ron *from "THe Music Man

Re: [9fans] ruby port 1.8.1 ready to use

2008-01-07 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 7, 2008 2:00 AM, prem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > I have seen some posts asking if there is ruby port for plan9. Here is > one (apologies if this is already posted) Hi, do you think the Ruby folks will take your mods back into mainline? That would be really neat if so. thanks r

Re: [9fans] Xvnc

2008-01-04 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 4, 2008 2:47 PM, Federico G. Benavento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no, it's Xvnc, you need to connect to it with vncv > > % vncv > in another window ah, right, silly of me. Next silly question. Where does the X11/twm come from? ron

[9fans] Xvnc

2008-01-04 Thread ron minnich
is this right? [96197] syscall 57/setpgid not implemented Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb' [96197] syscall 191/ugetrlimit not implemented _XSERVTransSocketOpen: socket() failed for local _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for local _XSERVTransOpen: transport open fa

Re: [9fans] Re: ssh2, at long last!

2008-01-03 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 3, 2008 11:43 AM, Charles Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > then. Oh, and there's a slight change up on sources--the client now > > requests a vt102 terminal by default instead of the old default, > > not a 3270? we couldn't get the persistent phosphor mode working. ron

Re: [9fans] opera under linuxemu

2008-01-02 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 2, 2008 8:02 PM, Uriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Oh, btw, for everyone clamoring for ssh2, openssh runs > just fine under linuxemu. And that's great. But I see no harm in having a native port. ron

[9fans] Another amusing glibc day ...

2008-01-02 Thread ron minnich
_dl_out_of_memory as in date: relocation error: /tmp/xcpu-hfyyo9/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 with link time reference ah well, here is the fix: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-443049.html At some point, it's just amusin

[9fans] opera under linuxemu

2008-01-02 Thread ron minnich
anybody got a howto? I grabbed cinap's linuxemu from sources. Right now I get this: cpu% ./8.out opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera opera-9.25-20071214.1-static-qt.i386-en-687/bin/opera: cant load interpreter: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2' does not exist cpu% bind -a /mnt/term/lib /lib c

Re: [9fans] ssh2, at long last!

2008-01-02 Thread ron minnich
FYI, the bug: when the ssh client does the "adjust window" packet, something is garbaged up in the encrypted packet, and the server sees a bogus packet size (order of 2^31 or so) and drops the connection. We can tell more if somebody wants to fix it. ron

Re: [9fans] intel ethernet

2008-01-02 Thread ron minnich
On Jan 2, 2008 2:23 PM, Fazlul Shahriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > in /sys/src/9/pc/ether82563.c makee this change > > and recompile a kernel: > > > > break; > > case 0x1049:/* mm */ Right, you have this: 1049 82566MM Gigabit Networ

Re: [9fans] intel ethernet

2008-01-01 Thread ron minnich
please send the output of the pci command. It could be something as simple as a devid change, which intel loves to do all the time. ron

Re: [9fans] Acme aborts on a pointless Edit command

2007-12-26 Thread ron minnich
I keep waiting for the message that says "here's the patch" :-) ron

Re: [9fans] ata drive capabilities

2007-12-25 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 25, 2007 6:59 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >(we have a drive > in the lab that smart declares will fail any minute now. it's been > this way for 2 years.) >From everything I've seen, SMART has zero correlation with real hardware issues -- confirmed by a discussion with som

Re: [9fans] ip/ipconfig returns 'recved dhcpnak on /net'

2007-12-25 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 19, 2007 7:00 AM, Alasdair Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > problem is a described in the subject. Also using a more explicit call: > > > 'ip/ipconfig -g 192.168.0.1 /net/ether0 192.168.0.4 255.255.255.0' is this really what you typed? it's wrong. ip/ipconfig -g 192.168.0.1 ether

Re: [9fans] Abaco: url parsing problem

2007-12-21 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 21, 2007 7:39 AM, Uriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is why somebody (cough) riped out the url parsing code from webfs > and put it into a library, and then updated abaco to use that > library... but we all know here code and effort duplication is good, > so never mind. I'm too slow. W

Re: [9fans] bug in ape?

2007-12-18 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 18, 2007 6:51 PM, sqweek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The buffer is PERFDMAX bytes, which appears to be 2*READMAX. READMAX > is 8192 based on what you've posted. In any case, the whole point of > the condition at the start of the loop (e - b->putnext < READMAX) is > to guarentee there is R

[9fans] my previous message on ape.

2007-12-18 Thread ron minnich
OK, my reading was off :-) There is not an overrun in ape. I figured that was way too easy, but hope springs eternal. ron

[9fans] bug in ape?

2007-12-18 Thread ron minnich
The ssh2 always fails with copious data. I.e. lots of data comes in, and the proc reading from the socket at some point fails. I see this go by: pread(4, 0x06000508, 8192, 4294967295) return value: 7520 data: 0x06000508, 7520 Note the offset is x508, and we read 7520 bytes, which,

Re: [9fans] a question on APE

2007-12-18 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 17, 2007 11:54 PM, Kernel Panic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ahh... just looked at the code... > Ok, as i expected... recv() calls a different read() from > /sys/src/libc/9sys/read.c. It will all work if > recv() would call the thing from this one: > /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/plan9/read.c. I'm n

[9fans] a question on APE

2007-12-17 Thread ron minnich
we're doing some work here with Andrey's port of ssh2. It *almost* works. But I'm seeing a stack trace I don't understand. I can't give you all the details -- it's ssh, therefore it is pretty awful -- but here is the short form: There is a proc called fromnet() which has this inner loop: f

Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ...

2007-12-15 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 15, 2007 8:22 PM, Noah Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to vote for October too. December is dangerously close to > finals/thesis deadlines for a lot of students. me too. Dec. is too cold in this hemisphere. ron

Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ...

2007-12-14 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 14, 2007 12:41 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We asked the 9fan we know at Greece and it seems that perhaps > october in greece is an option, should we want to have it hosted there. What organization is there to handle arrangements? This kind of thing is a lot of w

Re: [9fans] venti wrarena i/o errors

2007-12-14 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 14, 2007 12:22 AM, Christian Kellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This looks really good! Do you still have to do the > replace-the-chip-while-power-on dance to get the LinuxBIOS flashed? > They don't come with it natively as it seems... it's soldered on :-) so you flash it and say you

Re: [9fans] Re: OT: Keyboard trouble

2007-12-13 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 13, 2007 4:50 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if things get to the point where these things can't be turned off, > we'll need to find other hardware. if it runs EFI there is no escape. this is supposed to be a feature. ron

Re: [9fans] venti wrarena i/o errors

2007-12-13 Thread ron minnich
I can highly recommend these: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix1c.htm The company is great to deal with. They run linuxbios now and I'm looking at embedding plan 9. Price is $134. ron

Re: [9fans] Re: OT: Keyboard trouble

2007-12-13 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 13, 2007 4:31 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you've gotta love system mgmt mode and the special sneak-past- > the-os interrupt. the processor is yours, except when it isn't. Intel's plans are to use this mode far more, not less, than in the past. And yes, I hate it too .

Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ...

2007-12-13 Thread ron minnich
I am pushing for IWP9 to be in sonoma, where people will vie for the privelege of giving you fine wines and foods; or cancun, which is ok except it's not california. Nemo wants it in the greek island of incognita. There have been very few tourists taken hostage there in the last month, as compare

Re: [9fans] videos of IWP9 talks

2007-12-12 Thread ron minnich
It's just a shame about the video camera failure during Lucho's very fine talk :-) ron

Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ...

2007-12-12 Thread ron minnich
you're a good photographer, Axel! I really enjoyed these pictures. ron

Re: [9fans] OT: Sandisk?

2007-12-10 Thread ron minnich
On Dec 10, 2007 9:10 PM, Joel C. Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At IWP9, folks mentioned Sandisk USB drives -- I just can't remember > whether they said it was a good brand or the other thing. Radio Shack > has 2GB for $20, 4GB for $36; worth it? Those are the ones we tried and boy are they

[9fans] I don't understand ndb/dns

2007-12-05 Thread ron minnich
OK, we did some more work here on THNX today. wireless on the x60 is up and working with wpa. But we can't make heads nor tails of how to get dns to work. NAT is fine: I can ping the dns server from the plan 9 OS running under lguest. here is one example. The guest is at 192.168.19.1, the tap0 de

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