Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-25 Thread Bruce Olson
Phil Taylor wrote: > > Bruce Olson wrote: > >> > >> Phil Taylor wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > The other scale that I can't find any examples for is the pentatonic > >> > Pi-5. I suspect that there aren't any, as that scale involves dropping > >> > the fifth, and it's hard to i

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-25 Thread Phil Taylor
Bruce Olson wrote: >> >> Phil Taylor wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > The other scale that I can't find any examples for is the pentatonic >> > Pi-5. I suspect that there aren't any, as that scale involves dropping >> > the fifth, and it's hard to imagine a tune without a fifth in it. >>

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-24 Thread Bruce Olson
Bruce Olson wrote: > > Phil Taylor wrote: > > > > > > > The other scale that I can't find any examples for is the pentatonic > > Pi-5. I suspect that there aren't any, as that scale involves dropping > > the fifth, and it's hard to imagine a tune without a fifth in it. > > > > P

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I think it was Bryan that wrote "Whichever you like as long as you specify all the notes unambiguosly." It has just occurred to me that the notion that the notes are in some way more fundamental than the mode is actually wrong. It assumes that the tune is always played/sung the same way. That d

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-23 Thread Bruce Olson
Phil Taylor wrote: > > > The other scale that I can't find any examples for is the pentatonic > Pi-5. I suspect that there aren't any, as that scale involves dropping > the fifth, and it's hard to imagine a tune without a fifth in it. > > Phil Taylor > Pi-5 is pretty rare.

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-23 Thread Phil Taylor
Bruce Olsen wrote: >Phil Taylor wrote: >> >> >> I played through and edited all the tunes I used to make sure >> that the scoring mode and tune mode were the same. >> > > >I'm impressed. That's a lot of work. Over half the time it takes me to >stressed note code a tune is spent on figuring out wh

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-23 Thread Bruce Olson
Phil Taylor wrote: > > > I played through and edited all the tunes I used to make sure > that the scoring mode and tune mode were the same. > I'm impressed. That's a lot of work. Over half the time it takes me to stressed note code a tune is spent on figuring out which are the significant not

RE: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-23 Thread Karl Dallas
email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44(0)771 980 5907 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bruce Olson Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 6:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm Robert Bley-Vroman wrote: > >

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-22 Thread Bruce Olson
Robert Bley-Vroman wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:09:00 -0400 Bruce Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Mode distribution: Highest 31 modes (of 179) of the 6601 tunes > >stressed coded in file Comcode.TXT on my website. > > > > This table is wonderful! Thank you. I've been wanting somet

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-22 Thread John Chambers
Robert Bley-Vroman writes: | | Bruce wrote, in passing, that if abc eliminates key+mode in K:, | | >we can cut out ambiguity in | >notation and put it into interpretation where it belongs. | | It seems to me that as long as abc uses any kind of key signature (with | sharps or flats), the chief amb

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-22 Thread Robert Bley-Vroman
On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:09:00 -0400 Bruce Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Mode distribution: Highest 31 modes (of 179) of the 6601 tunes >stressed coded in file Comcode.TXT on my website. This table is wonderful! Thank you. I've been wanting something like this. It give some sort of non-spec

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-22 Thread Phil Taylor
Bruce Olsen wrote: >I must admit that I didn't use it, because I don't think that a >statistical approach is needed here. [I did actually program that >data collection into my ABC player program, but didn't have the >patience to run through a large number of tunes in a variety of >modes and colle

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-21 Thread Phil Taylor
Laurie wrote: >I note that you don't distinguish between Aeolian and minor - whereas I'd >expect a piece in A minor to attract some E7 harmonies with ^g leading >notes - and indeed even ^f g^ double leading notes. No, I only distinguished those modes which are used in the K: field of abc. Thos

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-21 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
For what it's worth I have implemented this in Muse2 (which I do hope to get out the door soon). I've used Phil's numbers exactly. I note that you don't distinguish between Aeolian and minor - whereas I'd expect a piece in A minor to attract some E7 harmonies with ^g leading notes - and indeed e

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-21 Thread Bruce Olson
Phil Taylor wrote: > > John Walsh wrote: > > > Which brings up a thought: this list would be a good forum for > >developers to publish algorithms and little bits of code of which they're > >particularly proud---or maybe just links to them. Then other developers > >could use it, and, out of p

[abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2000-08-24 Thread Phil Taylor
This is how the algorithm I'm testing at the moment works. First I collected together a file of about 350 tunes, taken mostly from Henrik Norbeck's site and from Jack Campin's mode tutorial (because those people are careful with their transcriptions and their key assignments are generally correct