Re: [AFMUG] Siklu routing

Yes, I was loving the idea of ExtendMM and that in combo with BFD along with Out of Band on the other side might make that possible. Not sure but IF you run BFD with transparent on one side and Out of band on the other and have the transparent side running ExtendMM with a bandwidth transfer

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu routing

I love finding another tool for the toolbox, thanks Folks! On 7/16/19 4:37 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/16/19 4:29 PM, Robert wrote: I know you use Cisco... MT supports it, just tried it with Cisco to v6.42.10 and they registered with each other. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu routing

BFD seems to be every bit as fast as dropping the ethernet link (on Mikrotik, anyway)... on mikrotik it's just a matter of turning on one checkbox. The only problem I have with that is getting it to drop when the capacity goes too low, but the link is still up (not specifically with Siklu though,

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu routing

On 7/16/19 4:29 PM, Robert wrote: I know you use Cisco... MT supports it, just tried it with Cisco to v6.42.10 and they registered with each other. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu routing

I know you use Cisco... On 7/16/19 4:06 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/16/19 12:02 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Anyone who is running Siklu, what are you doing to fail routes if the link goes down?   I have a question into Siklu about this and they are going to ask some other customers but they

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Got it. I do wish I was wrong about that though. It would make my portfolio look better. On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 5:34 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I think I was agreeing with you, that buying unproductive assets because > of 5G is unlikely. If that even made sense, they wouldn’t just be thinking >

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu routing

On 7/16/19 12:02 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Anyone who is running Siklu, what are you doing to fail routes if the link goes down?   I have a question into Siklu about this and they are going to ask some other customers but they don't seem to understand that dropping the link on the second

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave DW (~10 years ago) vs DW2 waveguide interface changes

zo fpm’y lmpe pg smu vjsmhrd/// Moving fingers over to the left a bit, I don’t know of any mechanical changes that will affect how they fit on the antenna. This is the first I have heard of this. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 12:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

The $15k was past due transit plus a loan payment if I understood correctly. -Adam On 7/16/2019 5:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Yeah. That's pretty darn high for 250 subs. bp On 7/16/2019 1:13 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: Unless I'm missing something, paying ~$4K/month for transit ($15k / 3

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

I think I was agreeing with you, that buying unproductive assets because of 5G is unlikely. If that even made sense, they wouldn’t just be thinking about it now. From: AF On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu routing

Cisco > On Jul 16, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > > Which platform? MT? > > On 07/16/2019 12:06 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: >> OSPF fast hello works for us. >> It reduces the dead interval to 1 second and hello interval to fraction of 1 >> second. >>> On Jul 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu routing

Which platform? MT? On 07/16/2019 12:06 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: OSPF fast hello works for us. It reduces the dead interval to 1 second and hello interval to fraction of 1 second. On Jul 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Robert Andrews > wrote: Anyone who is

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Yeah. That's pretty darn high for 250 subs. bp On 7/16/2019 1:13 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: Unless I'm missing something, paying ~$4K/month for transit ($15k / 3 months late + 1 month for payment) for 250 customers is a

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

On 7/16/19 1:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Is this guy savvy enough to use bankruptcy to get out of his past due transit bills PLUS prohibit you from turning him off? The good thing about debtor-in-possession status is the bank has to approve all future expenditures and you would get paid, but past

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Yes, I do believe they have been planning for a while. What's your point? I have purchased towers from all of the largewst tower providers and sold to them as well. I haven't seen any interest in anything that has no revenue stream. I would be thrilled to learn I am wrong though because I own some

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Is this guy savvy enough to use bankruptcy to get out of his past due transit bills PLUS prohibit you from turning him off? The good thing about debtor-in-possession status is the bank has to approve all future expenditures and you would get paid, but past debts probably go away. -Original

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

You don’t think the cellcos have been planning for 5G for the past 3-5 years? I would think the unknown would maybe be T-Mobile/Sprint. I’ll believe AT’s powerline guided mmWave feeding tons of small cellsites in rural areas when I see it. But even that goes on utility poles, not towers.

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

On 7/16/19 1:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote: I need a way to ensure I get paid current and I don't let him get behind during the 'sale'. I was thinking to quit being the nice guy and demand the past due balance + the note in full + 3 months transit in advance so I don't get screwed during the sale

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

I would be interested in the total of those transactions. My experience may be out of date in that 5G might encourage them to buy unproductive assets. Or, what they bought might be part of a much larger deal that fits my earlier statement. Who knows. On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:03 PM Matt Hoppes <

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Unless I'm missing something, paying ~$4K/month for transit ($15k / 3 months late + 1 month for payment) for 250 customers is a huge expense. Either they have some really fast plans, or they're located in the absolute middle of nowhere. On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:29 PM Matt Hoppes <

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Unless it is in a unique and highly desirable location, don't those guys at a minimum want ANSI Rev. G? Also fenced enclosure, all weather access road, H-frame for power and telco, lighting, coax supports, climbing ladder, safety cable, structural analysis, etc., but maybe they are willing to

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

disconnect if he doesn't pay transit - yes disconnect if he doesn't pay note - no, unless that is a term of the note. On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:52 PM TJ Trout wrote: > he has a bunch of knock off rohn 20g towers made in mexico on peoples > barns no one will buy those, in reality the competitor

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

I think Jay or somebody said if he doesn’t have the money, you’re not getting the money. The old blood from a turnip thing. About all you could do is make sure you have a legal claim if he manages to sell the business for cash. Even so, he could probably sell the “assets” including the

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

he has a bunch of knock off rohn 20g towers made in mexico on peoples barns no one will buy those, in reality the competitor that screwed me that he's trying to sell to may not even keep any of those towers, might just reaim the CPE's. I'm trying to figure out if it's reasonable to threaten to

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

On 7/16/19 12:22 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: I wonder if that is a change with them looking towards 5G in small cells If you're VZ that's street light pole small. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

I wonder if that is a change with them looking towards 5G in small cells Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Lewis Bergman" Subject: [AFMUG] Wisp value Date: Tue, Jul 16, 2019 2:03 PM Oh? That's news to me...

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu routing

OSPF fast hello works for us. It reduces the dead interval to 1 second and hello interval to fraction of 1 second. > On Jul 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > > Anyone who is running Siklu, what are you doing to fail routes if the link > goes down? I have a question into

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Oh? That's news to me... American seems to be buying up tons of cold steel with no customers on them. On 7/16/19 3:01 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: A tower company won't want a tower bought in eBay. They want towers that have ASR, environmental certs, 2 carrier, etc. They also are not interested

[AFMUG] Siklu routing

Anyone who is running Siklu, what are you doing to fail routes if the link goes down? I have a question into Siklu about this and they are going to ask some other customers but they don't seem to understand that dropping the link on the second ethernet link is the fastest was to communicate

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

A tower company won't want a tower bought in eBay. They want towers that have ASR, environmental certs, 2 carrier, etc. They also are not interested in towers without good annual revenue numbers. You might be able to ditch some in a bundle with revenue producing towers but those will be deducted

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

At least in our area, tower companies (mostly older 2-way providers) are not buying / building many towers - most of the builds outside of WISPs are cell carriers, who will only use heavier-duty towers than what most WISPs will build. On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 1:50 PM Matt Hoppes <

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Remove? Why not sell them to a tower company? On 7/16/19 12:44 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:  1) if he doesn't have the money you're not going to get it. 2) i've been thinking about this a lot lately too.  everyone who only values based on annual revenue (as i used to do and have made several

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Here's my questions though -- at 250 customers it should be turning a profit unless some really really terrible choices have been made. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] Dragonwave DW (~10 years ago) vs DW2 waveguide interface changes

I'm looking to do licensed backhaul changes using a Dragonwave Horizon Duo 18Ghz on existing dishes; during my research I discovered that DW had two different waveguide interfaces, having changed from DW to DW2 around 10 years ago. Does anyone (Chuck or otherwise) know the differences between them

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

A lot to respond to here guys, His 'wisp' isn't really something I'm interested in, he's built a bunch of towers that I don't trust won't fall over, everything he's touched is used from ebay etc including some of the towers, etc. I just want to be made whole on the loan, I'll look into the UCC,

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

1) if he doesn't have the money you're not going to get it. 2) i've been thinking about this a lot lately too. everyone who only values based on annual revenue (as i used to do and have made several purchases based on that) is probably not taking into account owned vertical real estate. a lot

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Is your loan to him in writing? Exercise your rights and take over the whole operation. Keefe John CEO Ethoplex Direct: 262.345.5200 Ethoplex Business Internet http://www.ethoplex.com/ Signal Residential Internet http://www.signalisp.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Assuming he even has a business entity to file the UCC against. bp On 7/16/2019 7:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Most small operations don’t have financials, at least not good ones with a clean balance sheet and

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

I have a friend who makes a decent living in Real Estate. He says he makes the best money from the three D's. Death, Divorce, & Debt. It sounds like he is staring down the barrel of two of those. First that means since hsi wife demands he ditch it it is worth less. You don't want it so it isn't

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Most small operations don’t have financials, at least not good ones with a clean balance sheet and income statement. Lots of off balance sheet loans etc that you cannot see. But assuming that they had squeaky clean financials, just go with annual net profit x5. Not exactly an ebidta

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Many WISPs started with a broadband-level upstream. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Robert" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 8:50:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wisp

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

"a friend of mine" One thing I know, and I actually know very little, is that the above does not exist in business On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 9:02 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > File a UCC on all his junk right now. Better than nothing. At least if he > sells you have a lien that has to be settled. >

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

File a UCC on all his junk right now. Better than nothing. At least if he sells you have a lien that has to be settled. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2019, at 2:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote: > > I've been mentoring a friend of mine, he's young and rather ambitious. He > started out his 'wisp'

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

+1000 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2019, at 6:54 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: > > I've been bit in the ass everytime I tried to do something nice for someone. > Start acting more like a businessman and your life will become easier and > you'll feel better being paid for your time and

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

I hate to be cold hearted but Ken is right and as far as value for the debt you mentioned and n0. of subs and value of gear used. I would say its worth $0 and some change besides the customer base to acquire is all its worth. I would just start a new and start going after that Base. On

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Sounds like your young friend has _zero_ ethics.   1) residential cable connection 2) never repaying your free help even getting to 250 customers 3) cheating on his wife 4) never servicing the loan.   I doubt he is telling you the truth on a bunch of levels.   Honestly walk away, you aren't

Re: [AFMUG] This guy died today

Things moved much slower so "High Speed" was an advance in multi-tasking :) On 7/15/19 8:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Saw that yesterday. I did not know him, and none of the guys/gals that I hang with remembered him either.  :-( bp On 7/15/2019 5:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Way ahead of

Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

I've been bit in the ass everytime I tried to do something nice for someone. Start acting more like a businessman and your life will become easier and you'll feel better being paid for your time and services. If I were you, I'd give him a couple days grace period to pay the past due. If he

[AFMUG] Wisp value

I've been mentoring a friend of mine, he's young and rather ambitious. He started out his 'wisp' using a residential cable connection, I've helped him for basically free for the last three years grow his base to 250 customers, he just last week acquired a failing wisp with 65 subs on a no money