Re: [AFMUG] Urgent message for Chuck Macenski!

On 9/6/19 2:39 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: ha ha, yeah, right. Maybe in the year 2025. I would suggest to anyone that wants to know traffic stats that they poll the switches or routers on each end of an airfiber link. The only useful values you can get from an airfiber via SNMP are things like

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

It all comes down to ROI. It doesn't pay to have redundant fiber rings sometimes so they don't do it. 70 miles is nothing. I'm sure in Colorado or Montana, etc there's plenty of fiber that is a stub where there's hundreds of miles with no redundancy. Or if you order a wavelength cross country,

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Any fiber provider who doesn't have redundancy for a 70 mile run should be out of business. Cuts happen and should be planned for... But it's not obvious to customers which companies have their network properly designed. On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, 11:04 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > We've also seen

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

We've also seen business customers leave us for fiber because it's "fiber" and when we followup after 6 months, they inform us of the 2 or 3 fiber cuts they had with them and how we were actually more reliable. Funny how they don't believe our redundancy claims until they deal with their new

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Microwave backhaul is probably the most reliable thing there is.  If power is provided at both end points and neither end point is struck by a meteor then the backhaul is up. When you install thousands of individual customers and compare the number of trouble calls and truck rolls, then I do

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Yes, Chuck is a rock star. Rock around the clock. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 2:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber I do rock all day long. Even solid rock at times. -Original

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP SmartAntenna

Make sense that the gain on the sector provides a better snr than the selectiveness of the smart antenna… Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: [https://image.ibb.co/ctQ7jU/aeronet-logo.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Yeah Pennsylvania is next to impossible to do underground. Not only due to rock, but its a mix so a rock saw won't cut through dirt. Plus once you get in town you have to worry about a 100 year old sewer pipe. On 9/6/2019 3:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I chewed through about $2K of carbide

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

I’m not saying you can’t drill through rock but that’s why most everything in Pennsylvania is areal and why it’s so expensive to try to drill. And to everyone who says that fiber is more reliable than microwave, right now in the Outer Banks in North Carolina there is power out all over the

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

I chewed through about $2K of carbide bits on a 6’ diameter rock saw last week. Not cheap. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 2:15 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber How about a 6' diameter rock saw? There's a tool for every job right? On 9/6/2019 4:07 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

How about a 6' diameter rock saw? There's a tool for every job right? On 9/6/2019 4:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I just googled the geology of central Pennsylvania. Yeah, that is definitely some serious rock you got going there. *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, September 6, 2019 1:57 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

I just googled the geology of central Pennsylvania. Yeah, that is definitely some serious rock you got going there. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 1:57 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Assumingly at considerably more expense. -

Re: [AFMUG] 900 mhz PMP100 (LASTCALL)

We threw away 100 of them last month Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2019, at 14:38, Andy Trimmell wrote: > > Going in the trash Monday morning. > > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 10:25 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Depends, if my plow can rip it the cost really does not increase much. Or if our rock bits on our drills can grind through it. Lots of different kind of rock. Rock mixed with soil is not a huge problem. Solid cobble can be plowed but not drilled. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday,

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP SmartAntenna

A reboot of the AP or a reboot of the SM? I just noticed it today because I hooked up a new client, Signal level is fine, but I'm only getting about 3-4mb on the upload. They're connected to the sector. I would expect they would do better on the smart antenna. On 9/6/2019 2:56 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Assumingly at considerably more expense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 2:56:08 PM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP SmartAntenna

What we have seen is that clients will mostly use the smart antenna initially and then switch to the sector. What is odd is that a reboot moves them back to the smart antenna. Talking to Cambium, they said that the sector is probably the best option for the client which I'm not buying. On Fri,

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Rock. > On Sep 6, 2019, at 3:44 PM, wrote: > > Why? > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 10:40 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Colin Stanners > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber > > And the cost to run underground fiber in central

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Why? -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 10:40 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Colin Stanners Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber And the cost to run underground fiber in central Pennsylvania is astronomical -- if not impossible. On 9/6/19 12:37 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP SmartAntenna

1-6 miles On 9/6/2019 2:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What is the distance to the clients? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP SmartAntenna

What is the distance to the clients? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 2:38:37 PM Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP SmartAntenna

[AFMUG] EPMP SmartAntenna

I have a couple 2000 Ap's installed with the Smart Antenna. The AP is set to 'Auto' for antenna selection. I don't have a single SM that is using the smart antenna. They are all using the sector. Is that normal? Does it only choose the smart antenna when there is lots of noise? I have a

[AFMUG] 900 mhz PMP100 (LASTCALL)

Going in the trash Monday morning. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 10:25 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 900 mhz PMP100 Anyone have any use for a bunch of 900 clients units along with antennas? We're moving

[AFMUG] PMP320

Selling a lot of PMP320 CPEs to a good home. Qty 40 I believe. Send me offlist. Buyer pays shipping. Andy Trimmell Business Manager PDS Connect 317-831-3000 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

FTTH is a bit difficult to justify in untreed areas where you can do a few hundred Mbps on LOS wireless. But in treed areas that would be limited to <50mbps on wireless, fiber is the best option. To feed towers with the new wireless platforms that can add up to 1Gbps+ per tower, it's only

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Started fiber in 2012 and never looked back. Every profit my wireless makes goes into expanding the fiber plant. My design is always based on what will take the least maintenance once installed. It defiantly cost more to do it the way we do it, but we forget we have customers once they are

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

On 9/6/19 9:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Unpopular Opinion time: DSL is the new dialup.  Wireless is the new DSL.  Nobody wants any of those if they can get something better.  You can push the end farther down into the future with micro POP's, MU-MIMO, big channel sizes, etc; but we're at the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Afternoon project

It could be a slide rule stick. Assuming flat sides you could set top and bottom dia and the stick would calibrate itself On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 11:30 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Bummer. > > On 9/6/2019 12:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > I discovered that there is no standard on the dimensions

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

& Satellite...??? On 09/06/2019 09:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Unpopular Opinion time: DSL is the new dialup. Wireless is the new DSL. Nobody wants any of those if they can get something better. You can push the end farther down into the future with micro POP's, MU-MIMO, big channel sizes,

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Unless and/or until Starlink comes online. It's possible that Starlink can provide lower latency than any ground-based technology. The flash traders on the stock market will jump on that with both feet. bp On 9/6/2019 9:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Unpopular Opinion time: DSL is the new

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Don't conflate the capabilities of DSL with poor execution by the major telcos. If the major telcos had done a reasonable organic build, every town and subdivision (not rural areas outside of towns and subdivisions) would have at least bonded VDSL, giving every customer in those areas at least

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

It's unfortunate if that's an unpopular opinion because it rings true. Find some way to prepare for bigger bandwidth requirements from your customers or you will lose them. On 9/6/19, 12:50 PM, "AF on behalf of Adam Moffett" wrote: Unpopular Opinion time: DSL is the new dialup.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Why? Not neccessarily disagreeing with you... but why do you feel that way? If I can get 300-500megabits out of a site and down to a customer that seems like that will hold them for many years to come. On 9/6/19 12:50 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: Unpopular Opinion time: DSL is the new dialup. 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Unpopular Opinion time: DSL is the new dialup.  Wireless is the new DSL.  Nobody wants any of those if they can get something better.  You can push the end farther down into the future with micro POP's, MU-MIMO, big channel sizes, etc; but we're at the top of the hump in the business cycle and

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Must be Zayo... On 09/06/2019 09:31 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: That's what everyone keeps saying but my fiber provider sends me e-mails every other week about pole fires taking out fiber, trees taking out fiber, wind taking out fiber, etc. On 9/6/19 12:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: When it's

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

And the cost to run underground fiber in central Pennsylvania is astronomical -- if not impossible. On 9/6/19 12:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: Then they need to move to underground, as long as it's done well and the other utilities are good with CBYD, chances of problems are very small. On

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Then they need to move to underground, as long as it's done well and the other utilities are good with CBYD, chances of problems are very small. On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 11:32 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > That's what everyone keeps saying but my fiber provider

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

That being said -- most of the e-mails I get involved circuits I'm on, but thanks to rings we don't go down. On 9/6/19 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Imagine if you sent every customer e-mails about every outage every time on your network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

I would be sending out maybe 2 e-mails a year. On 9/6/19 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Imagine if you sent every customer e-mails about every outage every time on your network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Imagine if you sent every customer e-mails about every outage every time on your network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "Adam Moffett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

When it's broken it can be expensive, but frankly it doesn't break that often. -Adam On 9/6/2019 12:29 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Except the contractor gets paid every time the fiber gets broken. On 9/6/19 12:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: If you've only got 2 or 3 people *total* then you'd be

Re: [AFMUG] OT Afternoon project

Bummer. On 9/6/2019 12:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I discovered that there is no standard on the dimensions of the bucket. *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, September 6, 2019 10:13 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Afternoon project I wonder if someone already makes a

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Except the contractor gets paid every time the fiber gets broken. On 9/6/19 12:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: If you've only got 2 or 3 people *total* then you'd be relying on contractors a lot and basically just being an owner/GC.  Your capex will be higher than with in-house labor, but console

Re: [AFMUG] OT Afternoon project

I discovered that there is no standard on the dimensions of the bucket. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 10:13 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Afternoon project I wonder if someone already makes a gauge stick for 5-gallon buckets. If not, then maybe there's

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

If you've only got 2 or 3 people *total* then you'd be relying on contractors a lot and basically just being an owner/GC.  Your capex will be higher than with in-house labor, but console yourself with the idea that the contractor only gets paid once, and you get paid for 50 years. -Adam On

Re: [AFMUG] OT Afternoon project

I wonder if someone already makes a gauge stick for 5-gallon buckets.  If not, then maybe there's a new product idea for you. Sounds like your design work is half done already. On 9/2/2019 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yes then measured with a tape. I want to get a casting of the inside so I

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

I will just keep on digging, and digging, fiber all the way... On 9/6/19, 9:44 AM, "AF on behalf of Matt Hoppes" wrote: That's what I'm guessing as well... it's going to be a VERY large bill... three different companies involved so far. On 9/6/19 10:11 AM, Carl Peterson

Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

Ryan, email me a price for the entire lot (include what numbers you have). I will take them if it makes sense for me. cr...@skywaveconnect.comThanks From: AF on behalf of Ryan's Amplex Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Friday, September

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

That's what I'm guessing as well... it's going to be a VERY large bill... three different companies involved so far. On 9/6/19 10:11 AM, Carl Peterson wrote: And I'm guessing some logging company is paying for all those people standing around trying to figure it out. On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

And I'm guessing some logging company is paying for all those people standing around trying to figure it out. On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 9:06 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > I don’t do aerial anymore, all underground. But back in the day I built > miles of aerial by my self. It is doable. > > Sent from

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

I don’t do aerial anymore, all underground. But back in the day I built miles of aerial by my self. It is doable. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > People ask why I don’t do fiber. The following story pretty much sums it up. > For those doing

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

That's a very problematic situation, but doing aerial / near-electrical fiber has much bigger risks than (ducted, non-pedastal, well-CBYD-listed) underground; in this case going aerial was their choice / risk. A 2 or 3 man team can do lots of underground work, but a few more people is very

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

It’s no worse than dealing with lightning strikes on tower sites. Just a different sort of problem, just happens less often. You assume we are sane in the first place. Or perhaps we do make the sign of the cross a lot, it probably can’t hurt. Perhaps that’s what you meant. Mark > On Sep

Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

Are we doing this again LOL I do all cambium so it was easy for us including using CNmaestro for total MSP access. I have a shop here locally that we hand over the MSP keys for each site and they get residual for each one. Too easy and got a Tshirt for it :) On 9/5/19 1:36 PM, Clint Wiley

[AFMUG] Fiber

People ask why I don’t do fiber. The following story pretty much sums it up. For those doing fiber, how do you do it with a 2 or 3 man team? We’d be run ragged. How do you stay sain? Someone was logging up in Ogdensburg near Joe Hill and took a tree down which took another tree down

Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

Calix reps hand out demos like candy to get you hooked then... I’d like to sell the whole lot together. > On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Dan Spitler wrote: > > TR-069 support isn’t actually enabled though. Have to bug them and after a > lot of back-and-forth they’ll enable a beta release for