Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

2020-04-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Chuck, I thought of you and your Vienna sausages when I read this article. https://www.nytimes.com/article/expiration-dates-coronavirus.html “So long as there is no outward sign of spoilage (such as bulging or rust), or visible spoilage when you open it (such as cloudiness, moldiness or ro

Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

2020-04-16 Thread Steve Jones
Indoor smoking, I like it On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 7:49 PM wrote: > I put some chunks of hickory in the bottom of a deep cast iron pan. Put a > perforated rack over it, then cooked chicken breast then another frying pan > inverted over the whole mess. > > Fire on high for about 15 minutes. Yummy

[AFMUG] OT dinner

2020-04-16 Thread chuck
I put some chunks of hickory in the bottom of a deep cast iron pan. Put a perforated rack over it, then cooked chicken breast then another frying pan inverted over the whole mess. Fire on high for about 15 minutes. Yummy smoked chicken for tacos. Smoke alarms still have not gone off. My w

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

2020-04-16 Thread Brian Webster
Data from 2017 by state. https://www.statista.com/chart/10600/us-home-broadband-penetration-by-state/ Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:04 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwa

[AFMUG] OT - is meat the next toilet paper?

2020-04-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
I don't usually shop for groceries at Walmart, but made a quick stop today because it's the only place that carries the Lloyd's BBQ Beef that we like for making BBQ beef sandwiches. Anyway, I noticed they were pretty much sold out of steaks except for a few Prime strip steaks. Nice marbling bu

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 open now?

2020-04-16 Thread Josh Baird
DIfferent firmware for ePMP as well. On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 7:21 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > Different firmware for canopy 450 > > Not sure about ePMP > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:17 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> I thought Cambium was a license key not different firmware. Not sure >> about Ubiquiti

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 open now?

2020-04-16 Thread Sean Heskett
Different firmware for canopy 450 Not sure about ePMP On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:17 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I thought Cambium was a license key not different firmware. Not sure > about Ubiquiti. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 5:51 PM > *To:* Ani

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 open now?

2020-04-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
I thought Cambium was a license key not different firmware. Not sure about Ubiquiti. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 5:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 open now? Kp needs to clean up their ad. It's really misleading, I'

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

2020-04-16 Thread Brian Webster
That’s within the range I would expect based on a mature broadband market. They say it takes at least 2 years to hit a good market penetration rate. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien Sent: Thursday, April

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 open now?

2020-04-16 Thread Steve Jones
Kp needs to clean up their ad. It's really misleading, I'd hope that anybody who sees it is smart enough to make sure their equipment can use us before they go buying stuff, though most antennas are already good. Are the vendors requiring proof before they dole out the firmware on these? On Thu, A

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 open now?

2020-04-16 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
I like to blacklist vendors who seem to harvest the email I only use for FCC filings/notices. These are the ones that end up sending unsolicited sales emails to a FCC-only address. I could just be mean though. > On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > have to have an STA > > FY

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 open now?

2020-04-16 Thread Sean Heskett
have to have an STA FYI every vendor that has anything to do with any kind of 5ghz wireless is now spam bombing my email since we received our STA. can say i blame them but it woke me up to the fact that some people actually do pay attention to the FCC site and then push out marketing materials.

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

2020-04-16 Thread Chris Fabien
In our rural areas, with FTTH on a road for several years, we usually get no higher than 75%. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 12:30 AM Steve Jones wrote: > What percentage of rural customers would you all consider saturated? > > I have access to some new datasets and it disturbing. It's good > disturbing,

Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

2020-04-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes Vistabeam but he covered huge area On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 12:32 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > Isn't Matt Larsen Vistabeam? I think they are in NE not ND. > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:59 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> I asked about Matt Larsen..he is a fellow WISP.. >> I am not offering any ot

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I pseudo know one of the guys that bought the NW operations. I couldn't get much out of him, but I was assuming they were going to overbuild the copper with glass. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Look for other CLECs that have a presence on that other tandem. https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratecenter=COMANCHE&state=TX Anyone using Inteliquent\Onvoy should be able to port. That is, unless they never built it, don't want more traffic there,

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Dev
Also, leak documents showing you chronically underfunded builds to pay shareholder dividends. Because that’s going to work long term. https://stopthecap.com/2020/03/31/frontiers-inner-secrets-revealed-we-underinvested-for-years/

Re: [AFMUG] OT - JEEP, Atlas, Octagon, Freejack and Zodiac

2020-04-16 Thread Steve Jones
I'd be more concerned if proactive measures werent in play. Not really enough to be considered a burger, nothing or otherwise. There's a pandemic and looming civil unrest. This isnt new On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 1:33 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I would rate the headline as inflammatory, as the task forc

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Lewis Bergman
Ages ago I had a full NXX in each rate center within about a hundred miles of us. I think there were about 52 of them. I could use many, but many ended up requiring us to get a T1 from that rate center to our CLLI to use. As a result, maybe 20 something of them never got used. At that time we were

Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

2020-04-16 Thread Carl Peterson
I mean SD... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT - JEEP, Atlas, Octagon, Freejack and Zodiac

2020-04-16 Thread Bill Prince
I would rate the headline as inflammatory, as the task force is not really "secret". I would say that the military brass surrounding the orange bluff-meister is preparing for a nasty outbreak around the DC area. bp On 4/16/2020 9:39 AM, Ken Hohhof w

Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

2020-04-16 Thread Carl Peterson
Isn't Matt Larsen Vistabeam? I think they are in NE not ND. On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:59 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > I asked about Matt Larsen..he is a fellow WISP.. > I am not offering any other comments. But you know where I stand... hasn't > changed , will not change. > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Lewis Bergman
Thanks, I have found a contact at a Frontier tandem. I doubt that will help as the mechanics of porting are a lot different than the process to get it moving. Hopefully he can find someone that can give me the exact "what it takes". It seems like it might take a CLEC status and a connection to that

Re: [AFMUG] OT - JEEP, Atlas, Octagon, Freejack and Zodiac

2020-04-16 Thread Robert
https://sports.yahoo.com/greenbrier-pga-tour-host-canceling-131736109.html Why  would this be significant to this topic.   Greenbrier is one of the not-so-secret anymore government offsite emergency relocation centers for Washington. On 4/16/20 9:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would say this is

[AFMUG] 5.9 open now?

2020-04-16 Thread Steve Jones
KP just sent out an email saying FCC opened this up for use. did I miss something, or are they just playing on the Temporary Use approvals? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

2020-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Coverage is coverage, regardless if there's anyone there to use it. Obviously it has to be accurate, but a lack of market potential doesn't negate the lack of coverage. I think the rule is you have to be able to serve them within some standard installation interval. If you have easy or no per

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Many VoIP providers interface with Neutral Tandem, Peerless, or similar networks, so your call path doesn't touch that local switch. For anyone else (say the incumbent), the call path *WILL* involve that local tandem. Most providers aren't willing (or allowed) to half-ass it by having a number i

Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

2020-04-16 Thread Dev
477’s in our area are almost entirely works of fiction, sometime fantastic ones, like coverage where there are no residences, businesses, roads, or zero presence by the business filing the 477. I think the relevant term is addressable market. There will always be opportunities which don’t pay,

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
In the LATA I do most of my work in, Frontier is the dominate ILEC. They have a tandem switch in the largest town that serves all Frontier rate centers (20+) in the LATA, plus one independent. CenturyLink has another tandem switch. They have a handful (5 - 10) of ratecenters and their tandem swi

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Adam Moffett
Ok, so I'm a ported voip number calling another ported voip number (and that's more common today than any actual PSTN termination). What does the local tandem have to do with it anymore? On 4/16/2020 1:42 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Unless you're using a mutually agreed upon third party such as I

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Different tandem switch. https://www.telcodata.us/search-switches-by-tandem-clli?cllicode=BWWDTXXA02T vs https://www.telcodata.us/search-switches-by-tandem-clli?cllicode=SANGTXXA02T - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Unless you're using a mutually agreed upon third party such as Inteliquent's Neutral Tandem or Peerless Networks, all calls go out a termination provider of some kind, through a variety of sold and resold long distance services, finally arriving at an area's long distance tandem switch. From the

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

2020-04-16 Thread Peter Kranz via AF
I should mention the $12k price is grey market pricing.. ~22k from Arista with a decent discount. The MPLS stack is good to go from my point of view, you can review the docs online to see if the features you need are available. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Des

[AFMUG] OT - JEEP, Atlas, Octagon, Freejack and Zodiac

2020-04-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
I would say this is conspiracy theory nonsense, but it's from Newsweek. Is this for real? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/exclusive-secret-military-task-force-prepa res-to-secure-the-u-s-capital/ar-BB12IZtv -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug

Re: [AFMUG] Saf to af11 waveguide adapter

2020-04-16 Thread chuck
I don’t think we did a SAF adapter. We have pretty much quit doing all adapters due to extremely low levels of sales. There is no money in them if I cannot run more than 100 at a time. From: TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFM

[AFMUG] Saf to af11 waveguide adapter

2020-04-16 Thread TJ Trout
Chuck do you make this adapter? Lumina to af-11 ? (Whatever the lumina waveguide port type is to nmale ) need to climb up and get the part number of the antennas not even sure what waveguide port they have according to the lumina spec sheet there can be like 10 different interfaces... -- AF mail

Re: [AFMUG] South Dakota

2020-04-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
I asked about Matt Larsen..he is a fellow WISP.. I am not offering any other comments. But you know where I stand... hasn't changed , will not change. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 9:04 PM Colin Stanners wrote: > I request to put the OT: header on anything that is not quite directly > WISP-related... As

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Lewis Bergman
Let me be clear. Most areas we can port easily from Frontier Like Ballinger and Winters. But Some, like Comanche, TX I can't. the LATA 961 is the same for both. The problems are in NPA 325 NXX 330 & 356 and NPA 254 NXX 879 in this example. On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:11 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > We

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Adam Moffett
Right, but interestingly it was always a Frontier number.  I've heard a similar explanation before (that they need an interconnect to that area), but I'm wondering if Frontier somehow made that difficult to achieve.  Then I wonder: Isn't there a central LNP database?  (Used to be Neustar, but i

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Well, that’s true. Generally if you can get new numbers in that CO you can port numbers. We use VoIP Innovations, they have multiple underlying CLECs. Usually we can port numbers to Level3. A couple towns in our service area they aren’t, or didn’t used to be, a choice. Sometimes we had t

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread chuck
In the LATA data base each switch is specified to be port capable or not. I think they have to make the switch port capable if they receive a “bona fide” request. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:57 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And there we

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Not serving the LATA makes sense. They'd have a build out cost to that area's tandem switch(es). Not serving a particular CO in a LATA could be that CO is attached to a tandem (in the case of multiple tandems) that the VoIP carrier doesn't connect to. It could also mean that there is a high v

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Adam Moffett
I've had a VoIP carrier tell me they can't port the number because they can't serve that LADA or that CO or some such.  I never understood why that was an issue. I don't think it's been an issue recently. On 4/16/2020 7:10 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: We have tried to Port Telco numbers off of se

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
We have done it for years, I haven't ported a Frontier number for a few months though. Usually if there's a problem, it's they claim there's an LNP freeze on the account and we have to get the customer to call Frontier customer service and have the freeze removed. Don't do this preemptively thoug

Re: [AFMUG] Bad chain on Airfiber 24. Which radio is the bad apple?

2020-04-16 Thread Mark Radabaugh
We had a pair where that would happen. If you can deal with the loss in power, try dropping the transmit power 2 or 3dB. If the problem goes away with slightly lower power, you have found the bad transmitter. Mark > On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:20 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > > My understanding

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Matt Hoppes
Yup. We do it. My home phone VoIP number used to be a frontier number. What issue are you having? > On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > --=_Part_1487_2018052107.1587038324397 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > We've been doing

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
We've been doing it for 15 years. I'm not the one that does it, but I believe we enter them into their VFO system. We use that for other CLEC things, so I don't know if a voice-only CLEC would have that same tool or not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet

Re: [AFMUG] And there we have it....

2020-04-16 Thread Lewis Bergman
We have tried to Port Telco numbers off of several frontier CO's without success. Has anyone had any luck with these or what it takes to be able to get that done? On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 9:51 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 4/15/20 5:21 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > So they can do that and then just p