Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone other than Onan make a decent mounted gas generator?

2021-02-19 Thread Steve Jones
do you want perpetual energy? thats how you get perpetual energy On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > So, plug it into itself... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 19, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >  > It's part of their new hybrid package. I think it has a la

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone other than Onan make a decent mounted gas generator?

2021-02-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
So, plug it into itself... Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >  > It's part of their new hybrid package. I think it has a large battery that > powers the inverter up to a point, and if you use too much power, it starts > the engine to supplement. The gen

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone other than Onan make a decent mounted gas generator?

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Prince
It's part of their new hybrid package. I think it has a large battery that powers the inverter up to a point, and if you use too much power, it starts the engine to supplement. The generator also runs as a motor as a supplement to the gas engine, but only for short bursts. The braking is hybrid reg

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone other than Onan make a decent mounted gas generator?

2021-02-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
So is a separate generator driven from the main engine? From: Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone other than Onan make a decent mounted gas generator? The new F150 that they're referring to has MUCH more po

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Mathew Howard
The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement, but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short links

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Steve Jones
We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks with remote drivethroughs very nearby. I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those in

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Mathew Howard
The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed kind of buggy. On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > It’s

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Carl Peterson
ditto on the metrolinq. I like the 5GHz backup. Seems to work fine for short links as long as you understand it is just a patch antenna on the font. On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked all > that well.

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Sterling Jacobson
It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked all that well. The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up causing more issues than it solves IMO. From: AF On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Use

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Sterling Jacobson
I wouldn't recommend the MetroLinq. We still have a few of them in our network, but they tend to just die out of the blue especially in cold weather. And it's not really 2.5Gbps unless you are all 1500 byte packets. It's more back to 1Gbps or even less throughput on smaller packets because it has

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Carl Peterson
Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the GBE Plus and the AF60LR. All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of some sort. We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem solid for short links with easy aim. On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Ma

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Mathew Howard
I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade, but even on so

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread TJ Trout
It seems like three to four miles on the LR is The Sweet spot with heavy rain to keep the link up On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 1:11 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > Is that the only extra magic in the LR? They claim 12KM vs 2KM. I would > never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3. > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Carl Peterson
Is that the only extra magic in the LR? They claim 12KM vs 2KM. I would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3. On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti > AF60LR will do a bit better than the other o

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Mathew Howard
I think they claim something like 13km, which probably is actually possible. We have one link running at 4 miles, which actually works a lot better than I expected. It doesn't take too much of a storm to take it out at that distance, but it can be pretty useful as an emergency backup. On Fri, Feb

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Jay Weekley
What is the maximum distance for the AF60LR? Ubiquiti makes some pretty wild claims as usual. Mathew Howard wrote: At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the higher channels. On Fri, Feb

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Mathew Howard
At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the higher channels. On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev wrote: > 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear > day says it

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone other than Onan make a decent mounted gas generator?

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Prince
I know, but I'm not going to buy one for that anyway. bp On 2/19/2021 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: The new F150 that they're referring to has MUCH more power than that, up to 7.2kW. On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone other than Onan make a decent mounted gas generator?

2021-02-19 Thread Jason McKemie
The new F150 that they're referring to has MUCH more power than that, up to 7.2kW. On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:23 AM Bill Prince wrote: > We have an F150 that's a few years old now that has a 400 watt inverter. > Not particularly useful for house backup. That's why we have a generator > that can

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Dev
700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the mid to

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Sterling Jacobson
It will work but have some bad fade and/or disconnects in the rain. We are using the Ubiquiti Airfiber 60 LR for PTP links of that range. It’s UI, but this product stands out since it can use the “upper” channels of the 60GHz (near 70Ghz). From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Friday, Februa

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Prince
With fingers like that, I bet he can do some interesting chords. bp On 2/19/2021 11:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: You know it's all about the bass On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF

[AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

2021-02-19 Thread Steve Jones
We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour? We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns m

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Jaime Solorza
You know it's all about the bass On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I wonder how it navigates. I presume a barometric altimeter will work > there. But how would they get bearing and distance from the ground > vehicle? You could use a Doppler antenna array to get a bear

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Prince
I'm going to guess that there is some sort of homing beacon on the rover. With a 90 second TTL, I don't think it's going to go too far. In fact, there is probably some sort of contingency plan to have the rover pick it up and plop it back down on its charging plat

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Adam Moffett
even better is Elon's Martians will know exactly where to dig for iron. On 2/19/2021 1:57 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I suppose you could still navigate by a local magnetic field as long as you know it's position and shape. On 2/19/2021 1:50 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I was going to say t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Adam Moffett
I suppose you could still navigate by a local magnetic field as long as you know it's position and shape. On 2/19/2021 1:50 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I was going to say the same thing.  The rotating molten blob in the middle makes our magnetic field way stronger.  There's a feedback loop b

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Adam Moffett
I was going to say the same thing.  The rotating molten blob in the middle makes our magnetic field way stronger.  There's a feedback loop between flowing iron passing through magnetic fields making a current which increases magnetism which increases current, etc.  I'm sure I'm describing it po

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Prince
Does Mars have a molten core? I would think that's necessary for a magnetic pole. In fact, the major reason Mars has very little atmosphere is because there is no magnetic pole, or at least too little to provide protection from the solar wind. bp On 2

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone other than Onan make a decent mounted gas generator?

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Prince
We have an F150 that's a few years old now that has a 400 watt inverter. Not particularly useful for house backup. That's why we have a generator that can run the house. bp On 2/18/2021 9:36 PM, Steve D wrote: Anyone look into the F-1

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Prince
NASA put a GPS constellation up in orbit around Mars? bp On 2/18/2021 2:38 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Oh, silly me, GPS of course...   From: Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
It probably has a magnetic pole. And they can get a celestial reference too. From: Brian Webster Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 8:58 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars Assuming gyroscopic effect still works on mars? That would be one way to

Re: [AFMUG] Do Vlans care about protocol?

2021-02-19 Thread Jan-GAMs
At my age CRS is a very real issue.  Try to define what your acronyms are, once in awhile On 2/18/21 10:06 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Hell if I know. I have my first set of CRS coming in. I dont know how much different switchos is than ROS. But historically, task specific software is always better

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

2021-02-19 Thread Brian Webster
Assuming gyroscopic effect still works on mars? That would be one way to keep a reference ”north” Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 6:22 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users G

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone other than Onan make a decent mounted gas generator?

2021-02-19 Thread Adam Moffett
When the Ford is Found On Road Dead I'll show up in my pink dress to tow it for you. Governor Cuomo wanted New Yorkers to stay home, so he ordered everyone to buy a Ford. On 2/19/2021 1:03 AM, Steve Jones wrote: Do they give you a choice in dress color free with the Nissan? Or do they just