Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Dennis Burgess
20kw genset with transfer switch is 5k. don't know if this is a better solution. I would venture to state that it would not be. Drop in a genset and a small battery just to keep things up for the 2 minutes while the genset starts. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, M

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Heh….2 minutes while the genset starts is a fantasy. Minimum is 4 hours of battery so when the power goes out and the generator fails to start that you have time to go to the shop, get a portable generator, drive to the site and beat the standby generator into submission or hook up the p

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Dennis Burgess
Ya, not stating that generators don't start. We have had great luck with ours, and yes we do have way more battery time than a few minutes, but still. I guess to each his own ... Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium eP

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
24 hours? Nah. I like a really deep sleep. [image: image.png] On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:24 AM Dennis Burgess wrote: > Ya, not stating that generators don't start. We have had great luck with > ours, and yes we do have way more battery time than a few minutes, but > still. I guess to each his

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
My generator "almost always" will start and run in 2 minutes. I just realized that I did not do what I used to do with all the generators. I would relocate the battery into the temp controlled building and put an aux trickle charger on them. We need to do that with my latest central office.

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
What charger or BMU produced that? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 9:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack 24 hours? Nah. I like a really deep sleep. On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:24 AM Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
ICT Power MPS Ultra https://ict-power.com/products/mps-ultra-dc-power-system/ Talk to Cliff - you'll both be on the same wavelength of the discussion. On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 11:23 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > What charger or BMU produced that? > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Thursday, Fe

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Mark Radabaugh
It’s that ‘almost’ that drives me nuts. With over 100 sites and multiple generators the odds of all of them starting all of the time are low. Yes we do self tests (and sometimes even notice when they fail) but even then they sometimes still manage to let us down. Mark > On Feb 3, 2022,

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Robert
My worry about the 30KW of batteries is a "what if"...   It's basically a monster electrical bomb...  I fused them, but if something happens to one of them in the rack, it isn't going to be pretty...  Water is my worry... On 2/3/22 8:47 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: It’s that ‘almost’ that drives

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
For an ILEC, the statutory requirement used to be 8 hours minimum battery life. I think that is a reasonable amount if you have a generator or have a portable that could be connected within the 8 hour limit. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 10:16 AM To

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
ILEC has 700 employees minimum so they have up to 2 techs to roll out with a generator... On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > For an ILEC, the statutory requirement used to be 8 hours minimum battery > life. I think that is a reasonable amount if you have a generator or

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I know ILECs with zero employees. The first ILEC I worked for had 2 employees. The most recent one I worked for had 15 employees. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 11:53 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom o

Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

2022-02-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Employees/contractors/workers/etc On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:05 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > I know ILECs with zero employees. The first ILEC I worked for had 2 > employees. > The most recent one I worked for had 15 employees. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 11:53 AM > *

[AFMUG] Winter Locates

2022-02-03 Thread Nate Burke
Ground is frozen and 10" of light snow.  Do you clear the snow to put your paint on the dirt, or on top of the snow.  How do you stick flags in the frozen ground, or just put them in the snow? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] Ot: business loans

2022-02-03 Thread Steve Jones
Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed

Re: [AFMUG] Winter Locates

2022-02-03 Thread Steve Jones
Can you use likke a longer 1/4 inch masonry bit for flags? On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 4:02 PM Nate Burke wrote: > Ground is frozen and 10" of light snow. Do you clear the snow to put > your paint on the dirt, or on top of the snow. How do you stick flags > in the frozen ground, or just put them in t

Re: [AFMUG] Winter Locates

2022-02-03 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Paint the snow. Flags in the snow. They can always call for a re-mark. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 3:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Winter Locates Ground is frozen and 10" of light snow. Do you clear the snow

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans

2022-02-03 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Some lenders will loan against purchase orders, I presume contracts would be similar. SBA just provides money to a local bank to give out. I have never used them but I know others that had lousy credit and lousy business that got SBA loans without difficulty. Pretty much all those expenses

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans

2022-02-03 Thread Jaime Solorza
When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid on

Re: [AFMUG] Motivated Perception/Confirmation Bias Term in Tech

2022-02-03 Thread Jan-GAMs
what a find! On 2/2/22 07:52, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe apophenia is closer to what Steve was originally looking for. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apophenia *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Wednesday, February 02, 2022 9:46 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mot

Re: [AFMUG] Motivated Perception/Confirmation Bias Term in Tech

2022-02-03 Thread Jan-GAMs
I was thinking of getting a bird, this is serious, what to use to line the cage with? On 2/1/22 15:56, Steve Jones wrote: I miss my paper too. We were talking about getting the daughter a bird. Was telling herwe just line the cage with newspaper, then thought about how the only time theres a n

Re: [AFMUG] Motivated Perception/Confirmation Bias Term in Tech

2022-02-03 Thread Robert
Spam Mail from the post office, I still get pounds of it! On 2/3/22 5:37 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: I was thinking of getting a bird, this is serious, what to use to line the cage with? On 2/1/22 15:56, Steve Jones wrote: I miss my paper too. We were talking about getting the daughter a bird. Was

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans

2022-02-03 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subjec

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans

2022-02-03 Thread Jaime Solorza
Another tip...only borrow what you can payback on time or sooner.. It's easy to get carried away...don't On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 7:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ > > You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to kno

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans

2022-02-03 Thread Steve Jones
I have that, i worked with one of them, my current mortgage guy is even one of our customers, and we do the banks wireless. One of their pending projects could be my first owned fiber/duct recurring revenues. My dad taught me since i was little about getting to know the banker. He had to close his

Re: [AFMUG] Motivated Perception/Confirmation Bias Term in Tech

2022-02-03 Thread Steve Jones
Newspaper was preferred because of a single sheet to cover the whole thing. Would have to tape a bunch of junk mail together i guess On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 7:38 PM Jan-GAMs wrote: > I was thinking of getting a bird, this is serious, what to use to line the > cage with? > On 2/1/22 15:56, Steve Jon

Re: [AFMUG] Motivated Perception/Confirmation Bias Term in Tech

2022-02-03 Thread Bill Prince
When we were doing some remodeling, I got a roll of this brown paper we used to cover the floor, and also mask the walls in some situations. It was darn cheap, and was a super-long roll. Maybe about 3' wide. Would cover the bottom of a bird cage for years. Sturdier than newspaper too. -- bp part15