Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-17 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/17/21 11:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote: I could be wrong, but the various regional interconnects have very little federal involvement. There's an entire agency that does only that: the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. The Federal Power Act is Chapter 12 of Title 16 of the USC (amended

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-17 Thread Adam Moffett
You're assuming that if they had power from an external grid they wouldn't need any disaster relief, but I don't know why that would be.  It's not as if storm damage didn't happen just because the power is still on. On 2/17/2021 3:58 PM, Robert wrote: Um, when the separation of the grid

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-17 Thread Robert
Um, when the separation of the grid _causes_ the ask for federal disaster relief, I don't think you can make it a separate topic. On 2/17/21 11:59 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I agree.  Apples and Oranges. Texas keeps their power grid separate by choice, and they have to accept whatever the pros

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-17 Thread Robert
Um, No... A. Government Regulation of Interconnection As noted, both federal and state laws currently regulate utility interconnections. Whether state or federal rules apply to a given interconnection depends largely on: (1) what type of electric line the project is being connected to, and

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-17 Thread Adam Moffett
I agree.  Apples and Oranges. Texas keeps their power grid separate by choice, and they have to accept whatever the pros and cons of that are. but asking for federal disaster relief is a separate topic entirely. On 2/17/2021 2:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I could be wrong, but the various

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-17 Thread Bill Prince
I could be wrong, but the various regional interconnects have very little federal involvement. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:50 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 2/17/21 4:16 AM, Brian Webster wrote: > > The fact that Texas is pretty much isolated from the national

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-17 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/17/21 4:16 AM, Brian Webster wrote: The fact that Texas is pretty much isolated from the national power grid is not helping this situation. Everyone wants to be their own country when it's guns and politics, but as soon as the lights go out suddenly it's all help us federal government.

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

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Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power outages   media reports from the last few days were scheduled rolling blackouts  

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
-you are dead.    From: Robert Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:50 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Robert
:50 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power outages Freezing rain can ice up the blades. Just like aircraft wings, iced up blades don't provide lift and, if they do, it can be turbulent, going in and out of stalled conditions, which can break the blades, bearings, etc.   So shut down

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
will make you fear for your life, red-you are dead. From: Robert Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:50 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power outages Freezing rain can ice up the blades. Just like aircraft wings, iced up blades don't provide lift and, if they do, it can be turbulent

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Steve Jones
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Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

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Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
ime Solorza" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 6:38:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Power outages El Paso Electric which serves our area and South

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Robert
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Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
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Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Carl Peterson
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Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Steve Jones
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Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 6:38:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Power outages El Paso Electric which serves our area and

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Trey Scarborough
Yep that is the deal most homes are either heat pump or Natural Gas. The Natural Gas hs had issues keeping up to causing heaters to run longer using more electricity. Yes is gets hot in the summers max though on average is 110 deg F if you cool your house to 75 then your only looking at a 35

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
plants. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 6:38:32 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Powe

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
The rolling blackouts were in response to the reduced capacity and ice damage. It's a cascade thing. This has happened to Texas about every 10 years since the late 90s. bp On 2/15/2021 7:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote: media reports

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
The plants that are offline are mostly gas and coal fired. It's talked about on ERCOT. bp On 2/15/2021 6:43 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Also 22% of Texas’ power distribution is currently offline due to the wind turbines being iced

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
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Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread jerry bickle
ones Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Monday, February 15, 2021 at 9:21 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power outages media reports from the last few days were scheduled rolling blackouts On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 9:12 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Carl Peterson
Wind power is only ~20 - 25% of texas' available power sources(~25-30MW without actually looking it up). That is at peak generating capacity during the summer when there is a lot more wind. Wind power in texas currently exceeds historical output for this time of year even with a large number of

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Tushar Patel
Apart from down power lines, because of temperature in single digit and -10 to -15 with windchill factors, demand is unprecedented and not enough supply so we are seeing rolling blackouts too. In Last 24 hrs, first outage at my home was 2.5 hrs, we had two more each lasting 2 hrs I think. We

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
https://kvia.com/news/el-paso/2021/02/15/el-pasos-not-seeing-power-outages-like-the-rest-of-texas-and-heres-why/ On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 2:24 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > ... rolling black outs , frozen turbines, and downed power lines... > My friend had to rig cover for heat pump in San Antonio...

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
... rolling black outs , frozen turbines, and downed power lines... My friend had to rig cover for heat pump in San Antonio... Very few of those in El Paso... We have gas furnace as most older homes have...my house is very well insulated.. only sheet rock in our house is in room additions and

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-15 Thread Steve Jones
media reports from the last few days were scheduled rolling blackouts On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 9:12 PM Bill Prince wrote: > They explained on PBS tonight that they are not "rolling blackouts", they > are widespread power outages b/c of the ice bringing down power lines. > > > bp > > > On

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-15 Thread Bill Prince
They explained on PBS tonight that they are not "rolling blackouts", they are widespread power outages b/c of the ice bringing down power lines. bp On 2/15/2021 5:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote: I dont understand the rolling

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-15 Thread Steve Jones
that doesnt seem green to me On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:44 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Also 22% of Texas’ power distribution is currently offline due to the wind > turbines being iced up. > > On Feb 15, 2021, at 9:38 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > > A Air

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-15 Thread Matt Hoppes
Also 22% of Texas’ power distribution is currently offline due to the wind turbines being iced up. > On Feb 15, 2021, at 9:38 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > > A Air Conditioner or Heat Pump nominally provides about 3-5KW of cooling or > heating for every 1 KW it uses in electricity. Texas

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-15 Thread Mark Radabaugh
A Air Conditioner or Heat Pump nominally provides about 3-5KW of cooling or heating for every 1 KW it uses in electricity. Texas has a lot of heat pumps that don’t work well or at all when temperatures get into the teens and they switch to a straight electric resistance heat. Electric usage

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-15 Thread Jaime Solorza
Wow... stay safewe did a project in Crane last year...been a while since I have been in your town... On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 6:07 PM Ron M. wrote: > My home in Fort Stockton has been out for going on 8 hours now, and TNMP > says repair time is 5pm tomorrow. > > I'm in Austin, so won't be back

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-15 Thread Steve Jones
I dont understand the rolling blackouts. its hot as balls in texas in the summer so youd figure peak demand with all the AC then is well over what it is in the winter. Whats stepping up the winter demand? are you guys mostly electric heat and hot water or something there? We maybe see some

Re: [AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-15 Thread Ron M.
My home in Fort Stockton has been out for going on 8 hours now, and TNMP says repair time is 5pm tomorrow. I'm in Austin, so won't be back out west until the weekend. At least I've got someone looking after the house while I'm gone. On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 5:39 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > El

[AFMUG] Power outages

2021-02-15 Thread Jaime Solorza
El Paso Electric which serves our area and Southern New Mexico is not part of the other Texas utilities experiencing rolling power outages. Back in 2011 we had power outages and water pipe damage. Both utilities took steps to prove systems with anti-freeze technology and all types of sensors. We