You haven't been using the right amps... Ive seen fiber burn a hole
through a solid wood door.
On 11/19/2019 10:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
At least fiber cant start forrest fires
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h, and I see that EFF is proposing that Congress should allocate the
>> money from C-band auctions to building universal fiber infrastructure:
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>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/11/fcc-about-raise-billions-congress-should-invest-it-fiber-infrastructure
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
Out of curiosity to the original
post'er, how much is that customer paying monthly for
:* AF *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, November 18, 2019 10:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
>
>
>
> Out of curiosity to the original post'er, how much is that customer paying
> monthly for their
and then 75 foot
trees all around your house.
From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
I get that.
f you have gigabit fiber where you live now, maybe don’t move to
> Green Acres unless you really like doing country stuff. Or at least cut
> down some of the damn trees. Sheesh, miles and miles of open fields, and
> then 75 foot trees all around your house.
>
>
>
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> *From:*
trees all around your house.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:43 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
I get that. But my point is - if this is truly a rural environment it
costs maybe $300 to add
LOL
I know your pain.. retirement city on the rise.
Cant have a zombie apocalypse soon enough
On 11/16/19 11:31 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Anybody else losing their patience with streamers?
The people who just moved from somewhere they had gigabit fiber to the
middle of nowhere in a low spot
f" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:25:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
If that’s all it costs you, kudos.
But we’re running out of spectrum at many towers (th
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Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:48:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
We also have started feeding micro sites with licensed links.
A Ubiquiti 11ghz link runs about $5,000. Even over 10 subscribers that’s only
$500/subscriber or a break even on equipment after abo
ers Group"
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:43:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
Actually it’s more the people on low ground with big trees 360 degrees that
don’t have LOS to anything. If they want to build a 100 ft tower, we can get
them service. So you could call it a
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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:25:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
If that’s all it costs you, kudos.
But we’re running out of spectrum at many towers (there are other WISPs
throughout our service area), plus
.
From: Ken
Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:43 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled
number around 10
or 15.
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
Businesses are born, the live and die. Some of them were sold. Radio Shack
died of natural causes. Some of the
1998-99. We
shut it down right before Y2K. Cleaned up and left town...
From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
Chuck, if you don't mind me asking, what happened to those businesses
delivering the product.
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
Gotcha. So why not explain that to them. Maybe they’d be interested in helping
to subsidize the tower
ft lower than surrounding terrain and there are lots of
> trees both on their property and on higher ground in between.
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Robert
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:56 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tired of
they say on shark tank, some businesses need to be taken out
> behind the woodshed and shot.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:00 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
>
>
> I
ground in between.
>
>
> From: AF On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:56 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
>
> Ummm, a roof that is partially falling down, yeah, maybe a brace for a tower
> but n
ken out
behind the woodshed and shot.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:00 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
I think that’s a mistake WISPs often make, assuming you can apply 100% of
revenue to paying off e
, because they are on low ground surrounded by trees. This
>>> is the peak of an old 40 ft barn with a steep roof that has huge holes that
>>> have fallen in only the top of the barn roof is visible in the photo).
>>>
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>>> They c
terrain and there are lots of trees both on their
property and on higher ground in between.
From: AF On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
Ummm, a roof that is partially falling down, yeah, maybe a
et Hughesnet. Or wait for LEO
> service. Or for the government to pay for fiber.
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:52 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tired of entit
here else to go.
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
We also have started feeding micro sites with licensed links.
A Ubiquiti 11ghz link runs about $5,000. Even
Looks like a chainsaw can make a good path to the eaves.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:43 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
Actually it’s more the people on low ground with big trees 360 degrees that
https://archive.org/stream/galaxymagazine-1954-04/Galaxy_1954_04#page/n7/mode/2up
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
If that’s all it costs you, kudos.
But we’re runn
:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Saturday, November 16, 2019 11:31:12 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
Anybody else losing their patience with streamers?
The people who just moved from somewhere
y, November 17, 2019 8:52 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
>
> Where is your pain point? Last mile, middle mile, something else?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
>
That number is way off unless you live in a desert / have the tower next
door / get hardware for free.
Rural environment = lots of trees = 900mhz on big towers is often required.
A Cambium 900mhz 450I AP and sector is $2K USD, and tower climbers, pulling
cable up a big tower, driving to a far-away
you live now, maybe don’t move to
> Green Acres unless you really like doing country stuff. Or at least cut down
> some of the damn trees. Sheesh, miles and miles of open fields, and then 75
> foot trees all around your house.
>
>
> From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Se
75 foot
trees all around your house.
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
I get that. But my point is - if this is truly a rural environment it costs
maybe $300 to
aturday, November 16, 2019 11:31:12 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
Anybody else losing their patience with streamers?
The people who just moved from somewhere they had gigabit fiber to the middle
of nowhere in a low spot surrounded by tons of trees, and say they stream
I get that. But my point is - if this is truly a rural environment it costs
maybe $300 to add another access point for capacity.
I just don’t see the point in penalizing customers when the cost to add
capacity is so low.
> On Nov 17, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I would say it
I would say it more nicely, but IMO there's a very valid point here.
Having been at both a 100% rural WISP and an urban WISP running side by
side with cable I can say that it's less stressful for you if the
unsatisfied customers have a real option to leave. It forces you to stay
on top of your
Matt,
You can simply go away. We have competitor wisp's and many have poor
reviews. We simply do it best and have the highest Facebook ratings of any
ISP.
We simply want to make heavy users pay more. Why should we raise prices for
all customers when only a small percentage are the ones driving us
Wow. Yikes. If I was in your area you’d be driving me to start a competing ISP
with you.
You’ll drive your users away.
Seriously. It doesn’t cost that much to upgrade a tower or backhaul to support
more capacity.
> On Nov 16, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>
> We're moving away fro
We're moving away from "truly unlimited" plans and going to unlimited with
X amount of high-speed data between noon and midnight.
For example, we'll have plans with high-speed data amounts of 65, 300, 600,
900, 1200, 1800GB a month with that data only being counted 12 hours each
day. Outside noon
Give them what you sell them. If they call in more than 3 times
complaining then say 'you obviously can't provide them the experience
they're expecting, and that you'll be out in a few days to remove the
equipment.' That should either silence them, or push them to hughesnet
and they can see w
Anybody else losing their patience with streamers?
The people who just moved from somewhere they had gigabit fiber to the
middle of nowhere in a low spot surrounded by tons of trees, and say they
stream all their TV on 3-4 screens at the same time.
I want to yell at them, if you had afforda
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