Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

BTW, back around 1976 I worked for a company that made TV sets for Sears and KMart. We had samples of TV set from all the competitors, including European manufacturers like Philips. The European sets looked like a Tektronix oscilloscope inside, very different from the American and Japanese set

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

That WNR1000 is a horrible selection to be selling a customer in 2016, at any price. But I think this WISP may come to regret it because when you sell someone a router for $80 and they also have monthly Internet service from you, they are going to expect you to stand behind the router and repla

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

Did your feeble aunt who doesn't know the first thing about realty buy the house? Do you think she felt ripped off after you the expert told her the house has termites and the golf course is actually a farm with the hay cut extra low? If she knew about all that, then sure, not much else to be sai

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

caveat emptor...no one is making them buy the router are they?? -Sean On Monday, August 22, 2016, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > This is not a WISP that competes with me in any way... > > It's actually a family member's new last mile connection, where the bill > looks like: > > NRC > $several hundred do

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

Something is worth whatever someone will pay for it. Eight years ago, contractors were building nice homes in a nice new area, next to a golf course. They would build it for $600k (total cost for everything) and then turn around and sell them for $1.2 - $1.4 million. Were people getting screwe

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

In the land of moose, maple syrup and prime ministers who aren't afraid to choke out a protestor [1], my wife and I pay $130 CAD together monthly for health insurance... Which covers pretty much everything. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawinigan_Handshake On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:09 PM

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

You better stay away from the medical industry. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 22, 2016 10:01 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > This is not a WISP that competes with me in any way... > > It's actually a family member's new last mil

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

This is not a WISP that competes with me in any way... It's actually a family member's new last mile connection, where the bill looks like: NRC $several hundred dollars - CPE radio $165 - new customer one time installation fee $80 router purchase MRC $85 monthly for a reasonably high quota servi

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GPS Problems Increasing last week

I have seen the SyncPipes do exactly the same thing. Sats visible, but none tracked. A power-cycle will usually bring them right back. They just seem to get confused once in a while. I have one very problematic site. We've tried swapping pipes, cables, everything. It just goes stupid. At times

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

I agree if they are selling the router along with installing it for $80 and they are not selling it as a new router I don't see the problem. Its a $10 plus say $10 for shipping and $60 to install it. If that was geek squad the bill would probably come out to $300... I agree if this is a compet

Re: [AFMUG] Something new

Why am I envisioning some scheme involving magnets to circumvent Trump’s wall? From: Craig Schmaderer Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 6:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Something new Chinese? Come on chuck keep the business local. Try mexico! Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywav

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

If this is your competition, I encourage you to forget about it. Nothing productive will come of it. On Mon, Aug 22, 2016, 7:33 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > That doesn't really answer the questions though. Sounds like the second > one kinda... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-5

Re: [AFMUG] Something new

There is probably something toxic in magnet production so we ship the work to the cast offs of humanity since they're expendable and cheap On Aug 22, 2016 7:34 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Who's got magnets in the US? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] Something new

Who's got magnets in the US? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 22, 2016 7:58 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" wrote: > Chinese? Come on chuck keep the business local. Try mexico! > > Craig Schmaderer > Cell 402-380-1245 > Skywave Wireles

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

That doesn't really answer the questions though. Sounds like the second one kinda... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 22, 2016 7:47 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > A CPE radio was installed and aimed, ubnt PoE injector put in plac

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GPS Problems Increasing last week

We have been having major issues with several of our sectors. We even tried use a Packetflux, but they seem to ignore the outside GPS...if the ePMP loses the satellites, it drops, no matter if they are getting the pulse from the Packetflux. PMP100 radios work flawlessly as the ePMP drop out.

Re: [AFMUG] Something new

Chinese? Come on chuck keep the business local. Try mexico! Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 1:56 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Trying hard to keep the cost down. The magnets themselves are spendy. Trying to find

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

It was not specified whether the router was new or used, just "Wifi router, $80". On top of the already not insignificant (but totally within reason) new customer service charges for 1 guy to use an extension ladder to bolt a J-pole to the house eaves, aim a CPE and run about 40' of ca5e. On Mo

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

A CPE radio was installed and aimed, ubnt PoE injector put in place, and the router connected to the LAN side of the PoE... The CPE radio installation was its own installation service charge and equipment fee separate from the $80 line item for the router. On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Josh

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

I agree with Josh... it depends how they're selling it. On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > If it's sold as new? That's wrong. > > If it's sold as a service (go to house, install router, leave)? That's > fine. > > If it's sold as a used product? That's fine. > > > Josh Luth

Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics

If it's sold as new? That's wrong. If it's sold as a service (go to house, install router, leave)? That's fine. If it's sold as a used product? That's fine. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Eric K

[AFMUG] WISP ethics

Many WISPs rent routers or sell home wifi routers to their customers. Some routers are used pulls from other customers, get factory defaulted and configured for new customers. Nothing wrong with this. If you saw a WISP that was taking used routers from customer pulls and re-selling them to anoth

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] localloop.com

Walk away. Myself and plenty of other members privately have not had the greatest dealings with them. I don't think you'll find anyone to say anything positive. On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: > Does anyone have info on this group? > > good bad or ugly? > > off-list is fine.

Re: [AFMUG] bounce

How so? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "David" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 5:10:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bounce My dns servers dont like google :) On 0

[AFMUG] EPMP GPS Problems Increasing last week

We've been running EPMP For a well over a year now. I have not made any firmware changes in a while, everything is on 2.6.1, but last week I had 2-3 sectors (not all sectors at the site) at 2 sites separated by 20+ miles that started having sync problems to the point where I had to set them to

Re: [AFMUG] bounce

My dns servers dont like google :) On 08/22/2016 03:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: David, Thanks for the magnet info. I sent an RFQ. Emails to you directly are bouncing. Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: dmilho...@wletc.com Technical details of permanent failure: Google tri

[AFMUG] localloop.com

Does anyone have info on this group? good bad or ugly? off-list is fine. I'll summarize to the group. ryan

[AFMUG] bounce

David, Thanks for the magnet info. I sent an RFQ. Emails to you directly are bouncing. Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: dmilho...@wletc.com Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the rec

Re: [AFMUG] Something new

Trying hard to keep the cost down. The magnets themselves are spendy. Trying to find a chinese source I can trust. From: Brian Sullivan Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Something new +1 If the price is right, I have a couple places for these. W

Re: [AFMUG] Something new

+1 If the price is right, I have a couple places for these. Would like to see mounting configurations. On 8/22/2016 9:20 AM, Ty Featherling wrote: Very cool. I have looked into mag mounts before but they get expensive fast. -Ty On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 9:04 PM, David Milholen

Re: [AFMUG] Telescoping Mast me lil brudder made

Tak On Aug 22, 2016 8:13 AM, "Ty Featherling" wrote: > Very nice. > > > > -Ty > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> This one goes 28 ft.One he is making me will go 40 >> >> On Aug 19, 2016 8:06 AM, "Ty Featherling" >> wrote: >> >>> Great pictures Jaime. How heav

Re: [AFMUG] Something new

Very cool. I have looked into mag mounts before but they get expensive fast. -Ty On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 9:04 PM, David Milholen wrote: > We have used something similar for 12yrs on top of a water tank that > supports our pipe mounts > > that hold a MTOW-3P with one 450AP center and 2 outer f

Re: [AFMUG] Telescoping Mast me lil brudder made

Very nice. -Ty On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > This one goes 28 ft.One he is making me will go 40 > > On Aug 19, 2016 8:06 AM, "Ty Featherling" wrote: > >> Great pictures Jaime. How heavy is it? And what is the max height? >> >> >> >> -Ty >> >> On Thu, Aug 18, 20

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