Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

You also have to keep in mind that you are generating cash income as you rollout which reduces the amount of capital needed. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 8:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Lots of used fluke in the market. On Aug 27, 2016 8:38 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs. > Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am connected > to but not sure of other features that may come with the higher e

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I guess you need to decide how much you're going to use this and in what environment. For years I used just a cheap phone and a set of clips. At some point I picked up a used butt set for cheap. Didn't really notice much difference. Unless you're using it a lot (daily) or know you need the hi

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

bytebrothers has one On 8/27/2016 10:37 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs. Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the higher end sets that may be

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

I'm including all the costs of the entire company, not just the cost of deployment of each house. And each house is about $300 average deployment. With all due respect, and adding in all the costs of deploying in a typical big city suburb and the time frame involved, 2 years, I'd like to see h

[AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs. Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

Best explanation I've seen yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bruce Robertson" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:19:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / f

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

Have you seen the battery backup requirements for VoIP lately? On Aug 27, 2016 6:39 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I can do brownfield for $3500 or less. $2500 if not expensive battery > backed GPON. > > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 10:19 AM > To:

[AFMUG] interesting WiFi article

http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-the-nfl-and-its-stadiums-became-leaders-in-wi-fi-monetizing-apps-and-customer-experience/ Paul McCall, President PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 pa...@pdmnet.net www.pdmnet.com

[AFMUG] interesting WiFi article

Paul McCall, President PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 pa...@pdmnet.net www.pdmnet.com www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

you are touching on something interesting... by default, bgp is a slower reacting process, which in your case you are using as an advantage, but can also be a disadvantage. however by the same token you OSPF is supposed to be faster reacting.. on one hand you are expecting the fast reaction o

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

I can do brownfield for $3500 or less. $2500 if not expensive battery backed GPON. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 10:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information I'm with Ken on this. $50/sub does not seem possible. Th

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

Can't do math it appears. I was thinking 5000 subs. Sorry. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information Your numbers are confusing me, $250M for 5M subs would be $50 per sub. And suppos

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

More elucidation: This assumes you're using router loopback addresses as your next hops. BGP doesn't care how you get to your loopbacks, just so that you *can* get to them. If your network is designed with redundant paths to each loopback, and the state of those paths is handled by OSPF, BGP

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

But why even go there? OSPF is a *link state* protocol. BGP is designed for passing prefixes around *regardless* of the link state. Use each protocol for what it was meant for, and happiness will ensue. Do you really want customer reachability information propagating throughout your entire

Re: [AFMUG] infrastructure PTR naming conventions

Thanks .. very good point .. it was actually a typo on my part… Everything is part of man.domain.com so example bdr02-tor2.man.domain.com etc From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Wright Sent: August 27, 2016 1:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] infrastructure

Re: [AFMUG] infrastructure PTR naming conventions

Of note, v13.eth1.locID.tld.net is much different than v13-eth1-locID.tld.net when it comes to dns. If you use periods in your names, you're actually creating subzones, which can greatly complicate your life and your dns. Unless you have a very strong reason to use sub zones, like you run dns in d

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

Good questions … as everyone knows and was mentioned, every network operator has different ideas and requirements so my answer may help or may not :) Our network is comprised of Juniper MX240,MX480, and MX2010 routers in most locations. These routers fill various roles depending on the locat

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

I'm with Ken on this. $50/sub does not seem possible. That doesn't even cover the ONT. I might believe $500/sub, but that might be a stretch depending on the neighborhood. Wasn't the $250 million a quarterly number though? bp On 8/27/2016 8:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Your numbers are confusin

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

I keep asking for more because this is a topic I'm extremely interested in. Tell me more. Tell me more. :-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul Stewart" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sa

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

And if you get that big, it’s not clear everything needs to be in one area. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 10:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness Very common deployment model … typically in larger networks. Having said that, and as someon

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

Yes exactly per my earlier post … everyone wants to jump off the OSPF ship for a couple of reasons: -Someone told them it’s very bad to scale it up but failed to define what “scale” is referring to -misconfiguration or misunderstanding of OSPF (common) -OS issues (ie. Microtik that’s

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

Very common deployment model … typically in larger networks. Having said that, and as someone else mentioned I believe, folks often feel that OSFP can’t “scale” at all and begin feeling somewhat “forced” into OSPF for LB/P2P and iBGP for routes as soon as they get 10,20,30 routers in their n

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

Your numbers are confusing me, $250M for 5M subs would be $50 per sub. And supposedly Google spent $1 billion on Kansas City alone and the number of $1000 per sub is thrown around for urban FTTH. It also seems Rory is including the cost not just to build out FTTH, but to do it on an accelerat

Re: [AFMUG] Comtrend

Used them a LOT in my former employer .. they were also a distributor of them too in Canada Worked well overall … a few firmware issues and upgrades needed for various deployments (ie. VPI/VCI changes) … for VDSL in particular they went with Xyxel more As a router itself didn’t like the

Re: [AFMUG] infrastructure PTR naming conventions

All of our RFC1918 space is for management so they all follow device.man.loc.domain.com Device – device name Man – management Loc – three letter location POP code Domain.com – our domain These internal zones are not reachable from the outside From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]

[AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

I don't know why you would think it takes $250M to do 5M subs. I do construction in high density residential all day long at 5-10% of that cost. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I am talking about Eagle Mountain Utah. Lots of starter homes and super stingy young Mormon families. 85% happens. It truly does. -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 8:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information I understan

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

I understand that there are areas where you might have an 85% but that was before the days of half of all households have someone on public assistance. And if you notice, Google only cherry picked high income areas. If I targeted only Scottsdale with houses that average $1M and up and my compe

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

Bruce, do you have anything to add regarding using BGP instead of OSPF to distribute your access network? What I got out of that mainly is that you don't have to deal with summarization if you're just using BGP to do it anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsihvpPyTw&feature=youtu.be&t=28m52s - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:05:20 PM S

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Upload 1-2Mbps

Seen it many times with interference on the AP side. On Sat, Aug 27, 2016, 7:09 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > RF link tests and or others? > > What modulation are they in each mode? > > Changed channels? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Tro

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Upload 1-2Mbps

RF link tests and or others? What modulation are they in each mode? Changed channels? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 27, 2016 8:03 AM, "Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc" < t...@franklinisp.net> wrote: > Good morni

[AFMUG] ePMP Upload 1-2Mbps

Good morning geeks, I have a sector with an ePMP running GPS, 75/25 ratio, FW 2.6.1 Recently the upload has gone to crap. The RX/TX on the remote links look great. Different RFs have been tested. The downloads are consistent. The upload never exceeds 1-2Mbps. This is on 20Mhz channel