Re: [AFMUG] oversubscription again

2016-10-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
In auditing, I have found ownership to have oversold themselves a considerable percentage of bandwidth, both above our aggregate, as well as substantially above our sustainable, spread out amongst multiple locations. >From a sysadmin, perspective, or whatever moniker that applies to a person who do

Re: [AFMUG] oversubscription again

2016-10-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
Even if you just graph simple 5 minutes averages with Cacti you should consider upgrading if you see utilization approach 80%. ~Seth

[AFMUG] oversubscription again

2016-10-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
so, we hit a wall this week with lopsided providers. we hit an approximate 20:1 and choked. with some policy routing we took it to about a 14:1 ratio and got things buffered. this is upstream, i still am comfortable with 12-15:1 on the ap/cpe side. At what ratio do you decide to buy more provider

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
lol that was from a movie btw, my parents are really awesome people, they wouldnt ever say anything like that On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 11:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > "son, you aint never gonna amount to shit" > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Robert wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
"son, you aint never gonna amount to shit" On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Robert wrote: > What does your dad say about that? > > On 10/1/16 7:58 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: > >> ha! I got to contribute!! see mom, im not worthless >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Jaime Solorza >

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread Robert
What does your dad say about that? On 10/1/16 7:58 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: ha! I got to contribute!! see mom, im not worthless On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Steve is unique.. His War Name would be something about brutal tru

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
ha! I got to contribute!! see mom, im not worthless On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Steve is unique.. His War Name would be something about brutal truth > > On Oct 1, 2016 6:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > >> Except shouldn’t that word be “defaultly”? >> >> Like Trump and “b

Re: [AFMUG] CDN Overload

2016-10-01 Thread Mike Hammett
If you were an actual engineer, would you want to talk to customers? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 8:59:57 PM Subjec

Re: [AFMUG] CDN Overload

2016-10-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
Good point. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 9:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN Overload If you were an actual engineer, would you want to talk to customers? - Mike Hammett Intell

Re: [AFMUG] CDN Overload

2016-10-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
So you’re saying their actual engineers don’t talk to customers? That would explain a lot. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 8:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN Overload That's why I encourage people to fill out

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Valmont 90/120ft monopole

2016-10-01 Thread Mike Hammett
A couple companies market that pole, so I'm not sure what's going on with it. US Cellular is long gone from that area, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@a

Re: [AFMUG] CDN Overload

2016-10-01 Thread Mike Hammett
That's why I encourage people to fill out my survey as I have better access to actual engineers than the front line support. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@

Re: [AFMUG] CDN Overload

2016-10-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/1/16 5:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I found this wonderful description of the problem and Microsoft support’s totally useless answer: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update/windows-update-hogging-bandwidth/f6883871-1de8-4b94-b0b7-fc4cfab158e7?auth=1 That's hil

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Valmont 90/120ft monopole

2016-10-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yep. That's them On Oct 1, 2016 7:03 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > There is a frame where they mount three antenna. Then they put these > fiberglass curved panels over them that match the pole. Looks like a pain > in the ass . > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2016, 6:33 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Inside..

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Valmont 90/120ft monopole

2016-10-01 Thread Lewis Bergman
There is a frame where they mount three antenna. Then they put these fiberglass curved panels over them that match the pole. Looks like a pain in the ass . On Sat, Oct 1, 2016, 6:33 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Inside... They have those all around Ft Bliss and Biggs perimeters > > On Oct 1, 2016 4:

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Mathew Howard
It also says they'll freeze at 14F, which would seem to me like a bit of a problem... If they get the price down to half of what it currently is, that'll put them in line with AGM... which might get interesting if they really do last 20 years. On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 4:34 PM, wrote: > I read up

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
Steve is unique.. His War Name would be something about brutal truth On Oct 1, 2016 6:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Except shouldn’t that word be “defaultly”? > > Like Trump and “bigly”. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Saturday, October 1, 20

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
Except shouldn’t that word be “defaultly”? Like Trump and “bigly”. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 6:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul Steve is an extremely wise gu

Re: [AFMUG] CDN Overload

2016-10-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
I found this wonderful description of the problem and Microsoft support’s totally useless answer: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update/windows-update-hogging-bandwidth/f6883871-1de8-4b94-b0b7-fc4cfab158e7?auth=1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Beh

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Steve is an extremely wise guy. And a wiseguy. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > The beauty of this list"!! > > On Oct 1, 2016 5:44 PM, "Josh Luthman" > wrote: > >> Holy shit.

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
The beauty of this list"!! On Oct 1, 2016 5:44 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Holy shit. I never knew that! RSTP is on. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:26 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > tha

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Holy shit. I never knew that! RSTP is on. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:26 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > mt rstp is defaulty enabled > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 6:16 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Valmont 90/120ft monopole

2016-10-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
Inside... They have those all around Ft Bliss and Biggs perimeters On Oct 1, 2016 4:28 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > There’s an outlet mall near Aurora, IL with a giant flag on what looks > suspiciously like a monopole. I just Googled it, and sure enough, it’s a > 140 ft stealth US Cellular tower,

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
mt rstp is defaulty enabled On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I'm not running STP on anything and it's bridged between the office and > that tower (and of course several other towers). > > It's a dumb switch at the remote tower between the AF5x and busted MT BH. > > > Josh Lu

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
I'm not running STP on anything and it's bridged between the office and that tower (and of course several other towers). It's a dumb switch at the remote tower between the AF5x and busted MT BH. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sa

Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
A stp loop ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 7:03:51 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] B

[AFMUG] Backhaul problems because of remote tower backhaul

2016-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
I have an AF5x link between two towers. It's bridged between the office and there. A few hours ago it reported that the near side of the link was down, so I figured it was POE/ethernet/etc related. I go there and plug into my laptop - zero problems. I plug back into the rb2011 and there's no ac

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile question

2016-10-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I have a win XP virtual machine with a clean full base install of RM I copy any time i need RM. Too many hours spent just trying to get it installed everytime i need it.. now if i can just remember where the VM file is. I wish RM had a decent enough user interface to have all staff use it reg

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile question

2016-10-01 Thread chuck
Found the toolbar. Man, talk about this rat not remembering that maze very well... From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 4:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile question Cartesian is missing though. Polar is there. From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, Oc

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile question

2016-10-01 Thread chuck
Cartesian is missing though. Polar is there. From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 4:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile question I got it going, not sure what I did. Just kept moving files around. I think I have everything in the RMW1163 folder now.

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile question

2016-10-01 Thread chuck
I got it going, not sure what I did. Just kept moving files around. I think I have everything in the RMW1163 folder now. From: Brian Webster Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile question Make sure you have edited out the semicolons in t

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile question

2016-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Put the files all in Dropbox and just launch from that dir. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 1, 2016 6:33 PM, wrote: > Installing RM on a new computer. It will not draw the map. Displays a > white map. I vaguely remembered

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile question

2016-10-01 Thread Brian Webster
Make sure you have edited out the semicolons in the maps.txt file Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 6:33 PM To:

[AFMUG] Radio Mobile question

2016-10-01 Thread chuck
Installing RM on a new computer. It will not draw the map. Displays a white map. I vaguely remembered something about freeimage.dll Found a copy of that and no joy. I am getting elevation because the path profile works. But nothing else. Seems like I have this exact same problem every time

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Valmont 90/120ft monopole

2016-10-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
There’s an outlet mall near Aurora, IL with a giant flag on what looks suspiciously like a monopole. I just Googled it, and sure enough, it’s a 140 ft stealth US Cellular tower, at least according to the zoning board minutes. I’m not sure how they hide the antennas inside the pole. From

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Valmont 90/120ft monopole

2016-10-01 Thread Colin Stanners
I'll give you $300 so I can design the fanciest cat tree ever made. On Oct 1, 2016 5:17 PM, "Dev" wrote: > For sale: I have a 90 foot new Valmont monopole tower that can be extended > to a 120 foot with a 30 foot extension that was originally engineered, but > never purchased, since project was

[AFMUG] FS: Valmont 90/120ft monopole

2016-10-01 Thread Dev
For sale: I have a 90 foot new Valmont monopole tower that can be extended to a 120 foot with a 30 foot extension that was originally engineered, but never purchased, since project was canceled. This pole was never installed, just sat in the yard for years. it has all the templates, mounts, bolt

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
It’s raining cats and dogs here (and I stepped in poodle). From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 4:37 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping Wow slow Saturday it must be. On Oct 1, 2016 3:34 PM, mail

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
Wow slow Saturday it must be. On Oct 1, 2016 3:34 PM, wrote: > I read up on their site. They do not do a fast charge or discharge. Just > goes to show ya, it’s always sumthin’. > > *From:* Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Saturday, October 1, 2016 3:09 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread chuck
I read up on their site. They do not do a fast charge or discharge. Just goes to show ya, it’s always sumthin’. From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 3:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping That company that has the salt water batteries said they wa

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
That company that has the salt water batteries said they wanna cut the cost on them in half over the next 5 years. Then that's really going to get interesting... Read somewhere the lifespan was 20 years on them and also they are not affected by low temperatures once fully discharged. On Sat, Oct 1

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Robert Andrews
According to the news around here, lead acid batteries are the most recycled device on the planet... They are just about to open a new "green" recycling plant here that doesn't generate all the bad gasses that a normal plant does when heating the mess to 1300 degrees to melt it all apart..

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Robert Andrews
I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from Walmart is $83... For that price diff you can literally throw away batteries each year... On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better from deep disch

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread chuck
My rule of thumb for flooded cells is 15 cents per watt hour. AGM 25-30 cents per watt hour. (Have not adjusted for inflation for 20 years or so...) From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 12:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping That seems expensive fo

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread chuck
Screw batteries. Get a propane generator and a tank if you are serious about backup power. Or use a NG generator unless you are worried about the NG supply during an emergency. From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 11:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs d

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread chuck
I hope they become a commercial reality. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 11:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
I would think lead-acid batteries are almost 100% recyclable, I’m not sure about Li-Ion. I try to avoid Chinese made AGM batteries because of their poor track record on the environment, but it’s hard to avoid them entirely. Maybe I’m naïve, and when I take used batteries to the battery deale

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Lewis Bergman
That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were ~$200 each. so for somewhere less than half the money you get close to the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet. On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
Salt water batteries, I thought you were joking, like what’s next, potato batteries? But apparently these are quite real? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going to wire up to an APC-XL ups a

[AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-01 Thread Rory Conaway
https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/ And wait until Peroksvite starts selling Thought you might like that Chuck. Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602

Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

2016-10-01 Thread Keefe John
Mimosa doesn't do MU-MIMO yet. The hardware supports it but not the software. On 9/30/2016 9:38 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I thought Mimosa A5 Omni was Mu-Mimo? I can't afford the Cambium AP's anymore. Last 4 towers I did were Mimosa and getting more throughput to the customers and has saved

Re: [AFMUG] icann handoff - is the internet breaking tonite?

2016-10-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/y2k-2-0-is-the-us-government-set-to-give-away-the-internet-saturday/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 10:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] icann handoff - is the internet brea

Re: [AFMUG] icann handoff - is the internet breaking tonite?

2016-10-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
WGAS On Oct 1, 2016 9:21 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > People that don't understand what it means love to profess from their > pulpits how it's the end of the world. Cue your local tin foil chapter. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions >

Re: [AFMUG] icann handoff - is the internet breaking tonite?

2016-10-01 Thread Mike Hammett
People that don't understand what it means love to profess from their pulpits how it's the end of the world. Cue your local tin foil chapter. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "That One

Re: [AFMUG] Not to start a war...

2016-10-01 Thread Rory Conaway
Great discussion. To add to it, last night we just cut over another 30 users that were on a 3 antenna Ubiquiti MicroPop 30’ tower with RF Armor over to a Mimosa A5-360 14 AP. A lot less windload and signal levels/modulation rates increased. The radios were AC-Lites. In this case, I would ha