Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-08-03 Thread Chuck McCown
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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 12:23:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e? The other huge thing about fiber is that properly done singlemode, assuming it does not become physically damaged, is almost infinit

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-08-03 Thread Eric Kuhnke
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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-08-02 Thread Trey Scarborough
s" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, July 25, 2016 12:57:51 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e? Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables (48 port switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can a

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
om Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:57:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e? Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables (48 port switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can also help with near end crosstalk. Can also help with PO

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-08-02 Thread Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
Chris, I am using the Shireen Double Shielded Cat6 on my towers and really like it. We use the following connector. Platinum Tools 106190. We are using our standard crimps with it and have had no problems with the cable certifying correctly first time. The crimps are the standard ones from

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-26 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Big cost difference between cat6 UTP which can be $125/box (305 meters/1000 ft) and cat6a which is $350/box and the jacks/patch panels are 3x to 4x as expensive. Doing cat6a "sort of" guarantees it'll work at 10GBaseT, but from an ISP perspective 10GBaseT is a silly idea. Bulk 9/125 two strand

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Josh Reynolds
It depends. Each situation is different. For example, those who had 6/6A installed in office complexes to replace cat5/5e or in "Greenfield" will be okay as there is currently 1/2.5/5/10Gbps over copper, with 25 (and I think 50Gbps?) on the horizon using that cabling. No need to rewire the whole

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Mathew Howard
I agree, I haven't ever been able to see a legit need for cat6. GigE works perfectly fine with cat5e, and if you anticipate needing anything beyond that, it's stupid to not just go straight to fiber. I've thought about using Cat6 on towers with long runs so there'd be less voltage drop on PoE, but

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread George Skorup
We made an oops with this stuff. We normally run 13 cables for all new towers and retrofits. Did one recently with 1-1/4" conduit up a grain leg. 13 cables didn't exactly fit, but we persuaded it with lots of lube because it wasn't worth tearing it all out and starting over. So those cables

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Jay Weekley
Last I heard there was a 10 gig standard for Cat5 up to 40 meters. Bill Prince wrote: Not in my opinion. You can accomplish all you need with copper up to 1Gbps with 5e. You need to go faster or farther, you can go to fiber. bp On 7/25/2016 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
thick Cat5e? I really dislike CAT 6. Is there a legit need for the stuff? From: Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:12 PM To: af <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e? We've started u

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Bill Prince
Not in my opinion. You can accomplish all you need with copper up to 1Gbps with 5e. You need to go faster or farther, you can go to fiber. bp On 7/25/2016 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I really dislike CAT 6. Is there a legit need for the stuff?

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Chuck McCown
I really dislike CAT 6. Is there a legit need for the stuff? From: Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:12 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e? We've started using DC-1042 for all our tower cable as well, and I'm pretty happy with it so far. I

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Mathew Howard
We've started using DC-1042 for all our tower cable as well, and I'm pretty happy with it so far. I really don't see the point in using cat6. On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:04 PM, George Skorup wrote: > I have no problems with GigE over 5e. Shireen DC-1042 shielded dry gel > tape

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread George Skorup
I have no problems with GigE over 5e. Shireen DC-1042 shielded dry gel tape is our preferred tower cable. We use Primus shielded plugs and the conductors fit the channels fine. The cable diameter is a little bigger due to the gel tape, but it fits in the plug body even with the foil turned

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Adam Moffett
to the chase and run fiber. -- Original Message -- From: "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 7/25/2016 1:54:22 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e? I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Eric Kuhnke
For indoor stuff regular 9/125 singlemode two strand is actually a lot less in $/meter than many types of cat6, cat6a or cat7... To the extent that the cable itself to do 1310nm/LX 10Gb optical is 1/4 the cost per meter than cat6a for 10GBaseT. If a properly installed cat5e cable qualifies for

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Josh Reynolds
Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables (48 port switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can also help with near end crosstalk. Can also help with POE if you're used to shitty cat5/e with small gauge wire. Also is good for short 10G runs. That said, most WISPs

[AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

2016-07-25 Thread Christopher Gray
I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would start using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested). It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45 ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A connectors (that have a staggered