Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-27 Thread Chuck McCown
everybody lifts their grounds. In reverse the C.O. grounds before ringing the line. Just a layer of handshake protocol to prevent glare. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question I've probably got that wro

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-27 Thread Adam Moffett
af@afmug.com Sent: 11/27/2017 2:19:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question When I plugged loop start lines into a ground start PBX they couldn't answer the phones. I may not be remembering this right, but I think they did ring. I think the PBX would try to ground the line when

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-27 Thread Adam Moffett
Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Any chance of a ground start vs loop start issue? Some PBXs were ground start. Not sure how that would affect caller ID. Is the PBX actually detecting the ringing? From:Nate Burke Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA C

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-27 Thread Lewis Bergman
> On 11/27/2017 10:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Any chance of a ground start vs loop start issue? Some PBXs were ground > start. Not sure how that would affect caller ID. > Is the PBX actually detecting the ringing? > > *From:* Nate Burke > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 201

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-27 Thread Nate Burke
loop start issue? Some PBXs were ground start. Not sure how that would affect caller ID. Is the PBX actually detecting the ringing? *From:* Nate Burke *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 9:34 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Just an Update, I put a splitter in the

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-27 Thread Chuck McCown
Any chance of a ground start vs loop start issue? Some PBXs were ground start. Not sure how that would affect caller ID. Is the PBX actually detecting the ringing? From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Just an

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2017-11-27 Thread Nate Burke
thingys in a long time. -- Original Message -- From: "Lewis Bergman" <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 11/9/2017 4:52:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Remember, the signal comes between rings. Unless you a

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Chuck McCown
OH, I still have the MOSFET book and all my tab books. It is just the books full of transistor and chip data sheets that I tossed. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:30 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question There are a few that I have

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
mine years ago, once I was sure they were available on CD. > > The law firm I use still has a large law library. > It is where people go for some quiet or to eat lunch. > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) > *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:20 PM > *To:* af &g

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Chuck McCown
uck McCown wrote: Oh man! I had forgotten how many different data manuals there were and I had most of them too. Wow From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:12 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Chuck, I'

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2017-11-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
t; Oh man! I had forgotten how many different data manuals there were and I > had most of them too. > Wow > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) > *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:12 PM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question > > Chuck, >

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Oh man! I had forgotten how many different data manuals there were and I had most of them too. Wow From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:12 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Chuck, I'm sorry for the timesink I'

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Chuck McCown
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Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
November 09, 2017 9:19 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question > > Out of curiousity, i learn this nonsense from folks in the know. Where do > folks in the know learn this shit? Is it that they were involved in the day > when people in the service industry

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Blue and brown from Motorola. Yellow from Texas Instruments. Gray from Maxim. Navy blue from National. etc etc Good bed time readin’ From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Out of curiousity, i learn this

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2017-11-09 Thread Steve Jones
t notice it? I'm fuzzy on this. >> >> I probably shouldn't ask. I don't need to know that much about POTS >> anymore. >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Lewis Bergman" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 1

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
on this. >> >> I probably shouldn't ask. I don't need to know that much about POTS >> anymore. >> >> >> ------ Original Message -- >> From: "Lewis Bergman" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 11/9/2017 4:40:57 PM >> Subjec

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread chuck
. You can certainly feel it if you put your fingers across the line. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Is it at an inaudible frequency? If so, then it wouldn't make it through 2600hz bandpass fi

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Adam Moffett
Oh rightI haven't picked up the phone yet so there's nothing to hear. Sorry. I haven't actually used one of these telephone thingys in a long time. -- Original Message -- From: "Lewis Bergman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/9/2017 4:52:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFM

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Lewis Bergman
so short you > don't notice it? I'm fuzzy on this. > > I probably shouldn't ask. I don't need to know that much about POTS > anymore. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Lewis Bergman" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 11/9/2017 4:40:57 P

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Adam Moffett
re. -- Original Message -- From: "Lewis Bergman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/9/2017 4:40:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question More info than anyone probably wants to know. I found this about the original question: Caller-ID Signaling According to Telcordia specific

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-09 Thread Lewis Bergman
m: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 11/7/2017 4:39:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question > > >Monitor the line for the data burst. It is the exact same modulation > >method as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV > >before the beep

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread Adam Moffett
I did not know that tone contained modulated data. I just thought it was a noise you wouldn't ignore. That's a fun fact to have. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/7/2017 4:39:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Monitor th

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread chuck
Some ATAs don’t put out 48 volts. That could be a thing. From: Nate Burke Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Is there any chance it could be a polarity problem? If somewhere between the ATA and the PBX the 2 wires are

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread Nate Burke
Is there any chance it could be a polarity problem? If somewhere between the ATA and the PBX the 2 wires are reversed? On 11/7/2017 3:42 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: I seem to remember it comes in between the first and second ring. On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:39 PM > wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread Lewis Bergman
I seem to remember it comes in between the first and second ring. On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:39 PM wrote: > Monitor the line for the data burst. It is the exact same modulation > method > as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV before the beep > and thunderstorm warning. > > I

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread chuck
Monitor the line for the data burst. It is the exact same modulation method as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV before the beep and thunderstorm warning. I think it comes before the first ring or right after the first ring. Some of the original display units rectified

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread Adam Moffett
: "Steve Jones" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 11/7/2017 4:20:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question we had to adjust a wait time or something like that in the fortivoice systems when this happens On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: The outbou

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread Adam Moffett
From: "can...@believewireless.net" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 11/7/2017 4:16:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA. On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke wrote: At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an An

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread Steve Jones
we had to adjust a wait time or something like that in the fortivoice systems when this happens On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, can...@believewireless.net < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA. > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke w

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread Nate Burke
It's the inbound caller ID (the customer is receiving a call), not the Outbound Caller ID. On 11/7/2017 3:16 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA. On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke > wrote: At a c

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

2017-11-07 Thread can...@believewireless.net
The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA. On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent PBX > system. The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, but it > used to work with his old AT&T Lines,