Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-18 Thread James Bowery
Rob, the problem I have with things like "type theory" and "category theory" is that they almost always elide their foundation in HOL (high order logic) which means they don't *really* admit that they are syntactic sugars for second-order predicate calculus. The reason I describe this as "risible"

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-18 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Thu, May 16, 2024, 11:27 AM wrote: > What should symbolic approach include to entirely replace neural networks > approach in creating true AI? Is that task even possible? What benefits and > drawbacks we could expect or hope for if it is possible? If it is not > possible, what would be the rea

[agi] Tracking down the culprits responsible for conflating IS with OUGHT in LLM terminology

2024-05-18 Thread James Bowery
The first job of supremacist theocrats is to conflate IS with OUGHT and then cram it down everyone's throat. So it was with increasing suspicion that I saw the term "foundation model" being used in a way that conflates next-token-prediction training with supremacist theocrats conveining inquisitio

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-18 Thread Quan Tesla
It's not about who wins the battle of models, rather if the models employed would theoretically (symbolically) be a true representation of an AGI with potential for ASI. I think that LLMs on their own simply won't hack it. You may be satisfied with the tradeoffs in commercialized value, but there