Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Mark Horvath
Hi,I think this is natural. I would do the same, if my job would be to lead the creation of AGI in any group you have mentioned; try to collect the best brains, and monitor (and store) all important development happening. And they have more money for the job than any university, or other research

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Daniel Holt
It seems a bit hopeful to me to assume that one can induce an AI to be friendly, let alone to a particular group. If God had, er, intelligently designed prokaryotes, He'd have had a hard time making them evolve through thousands upon thousands of variations and wind up with the specific moral

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Ben Goertzel
Based on my somewhat but not completely thorough understanding of the US military/intel community (I live near DC, have done some consulting for the community, and know a lot of folks involved with it), I find it very unlikely that they are seriously pursuing AGI RD. However, *watching* people

Re: Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread DGoe
Ben, Those that are watching are trying to pick up on good methodology and not for any subversive. Seems the U.S. Government is investing heavy into artificial intelligence... maybe they can apply it to the Artificial Stupidy of some Congress memmbers. Dan Goe

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Jiri Jelinek
Shane,I'm renting one of my houses to a guy who holds relatively high position in Pentagon. We touched this topic a few months ago and he said that as far as he can see, they currently focus just on narrow AI systems (not on AGI). Sincerely,Jiri JelinekOn 12/18/05, Shane Legg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Mark Horvath
Ben,I agree. I meant only that army(s) will have AGI anyway. And army is meant to not compete the civilian people, in fact in many cases it even helps (Internet). I don't know how much it would affect the civil area if army would have AGI earlier. MárkOn 12/19/05, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Shane Legg
Jiri, I would have assumed that to be the case, like what Ben said. I guess they have just decided that my research is sufficiently interesting to keep up to date on. Though getting hits from these people on a daily basis seems a bit over the top. I only publish something once every few months

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Ben Goertzel
If the US military were to create the first superpowerful AGI and launch a Singularity, this could be a very dangerous thing -- not so much because they would be able to impose their own moral values on the superhuman AGI, but rather because they might be so focused on short-term dangers (e.g.

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Ben Goertzel
I guess they have just decided that my research is sufficiently interesting to keep up to date on. Though getting hits from these people on a daily basis seems a bit over the top. I only publish something once every few months or so! Shane I suppose this means they are using a very

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Shane Legg
Daniel, It seems to be a combination of things. For example, my most recent hits from military related computers came from an air force base just a few hours ago: px20o.wpafb.af.mil - - [19/Dec/2005:12:07:41 +] GET /documents/42.pdf HTTP/1.1 200 50543 - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0;

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread sanjay padmane
I guess their top most leader needs some general intelligence urgently and they are searching for it all over the Internet.;-)It doesn't look like they are spying or trying to identify 'over ambitious' people, they wouldn't do so openly. And they should know that someone interested in its misuse

Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Shane Legg
After a few hours digging around on the internet, what I found was thata number of popular blogs get hits from military DNSs. The most likelyreason seems to be that some people in the military who have office jobs spend a lot of time surfing the net. When they find something cool theytell all

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Re: [agi] Who's watching us?

2005-12-19 Thread Jeff Medina
Shane, The Lockheed Martin hit was me; I'm currently consulting there as a systems architect on their NARA Electronic Records Archives project. It's not all missiles and space wars at LM, y'know. ;) I visited your site via a link off of Marcus Hutter's site, while I was harvesting a new batch of

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