Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Bob Mottram
Some of the 3D reconstruction stuff being done now is quite impressive (I'm thinking of things like photosynth, monoSLAM and Moravec's stereo vision) and this kind of capability to take raw sensor data and turn it into useful 3D models which may then be cogitated upon would be a basic

[agi] Mind mapping software

2007-03-06 Thread BillK
I thought this free software opportunity might be of interest to some here. ConceptDraw MINDMAP 4 is a mind-mapping and team brainstorming tool with extended drawing capabilities. Use it to efficiently organize your ideas and tasks with the help of Mind Mapping technique. ConceptDraw MINDMAP 4

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi Bob, Is there a document somewhere describing what is unique about your approach? Novamente doesn't involve real robotics right now but the design does involve occupancy grids and probabilistic simulated robotics, so your ideas are of some practical interest to me... Ben Bob Mottram

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Andrew Babian
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:49:47 +, Bob Mottram wrote Some of the 3D reconstruction stuff being done now is quite impressive (I'm thinking of things like photosynth, monoSLAM and Moravec's stereo vision) and this kind of capability to take raw sensor data and turn it into useful 3D models which

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Goertzel
Well what is intelligence if not a collection of tools? One of the hardest problems is coming up with such tools that are generalizable across domains, but can't that just be a question of finding more tools that work well in a computer environment, instead of just finding the ultimate

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Pei Wang
On 3/6/07, Andrew Babian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well what is intelligence if not a collection of tools? To me, this widely accepted attitude towards AI is a major reason for the lack of progress in AGI in the past decades. A metaphor I have been using is: while computer science and the

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Bob Mottram
I don't have an overview document as such, but I'm adding stuff into the wiki as needed. Actually there is very little which is unique about my approach. Almost all of the ideas which I'm using originated elsewhere, and many of them have been around for 20 years or so. All I'm really doing is

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Goertzel
Bob Mottram wrote: I don't have an overview document as such, but I'm adding stuff into the wiki as needed. Actually there is very little which is unique about my approach. Almost all of the ideas which I'm using originated elsewhere, and many of them have been around for 20 years or so.

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Bob Mottram
What attracted me about the DP method was that it's less ad-hoc than landmark based systems, but the most attractive feature is of course the linear scaling which is really essential when dealing with large amounts of data. On 06/03/07, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, this

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Goertzel
Bob Mottram wrote: What attracted me about the DP method was that it's less ad-hoc than landmark based systems, but the most attractive feature is of course the linear scaling which is really essential when dealing with large amounts of data. Yeah... In other contexts, we have paid a lot

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Mark Waser
I like the idea of exploiting the biased statistics of actual changes to the grid in real situations, in order to avoid the overhead of constantly doing whole-grid-replacement updates... Qualitatively this seems like the sort of thing the brain must be doing, and the kind of thing any AI

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Goertzel
Mark Waser wrote: I like the idea of exploiting the biased statistics of actual changes to the grid in real situations, in order to avoid the overhead of constantly doing whole-grid-replacement updates... Qualitatively this seems like the sort of thing the brain must be doing, and the kind

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Goertzel
Mark Waser wrote: Just polynomially expensive, I believe Depends upon whether you're fully connected or not but yeah, yeah . . . . Another, simpler example is indexing items via time and space: you need to be able to submit a spatial and/or temporal region as a query and find items relevant