Re: [agi] would anyone want to use a commonsense KB?

2008-02-28 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
My latest thinking tends to agree with Matt that language and common sense are best learnt together. (Learning langauge before common sense is impossible / senseless). I think Ben's text mining approach has one big flaw: it can only reason about existing knowledge, but cannot generate new ideas

[agi] Thought experiment on informationally limited systems

2008-02-28 Thread William Pearson
I'm going to try and elucidate my approach to building an intelligent system, in a round about fashion. This is the problem I am trying to solve. Imagine you are designing a computer system to solve an unknown problem, and you have these constraints A) Limited space to put general information

Re: [agi] Thought experiment on informationally limited systems

2008-02-28 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 2/28/08, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to try and elucidate my approach to building an intelligent system, in a round about fashion. This is the problem I am trying to solve. Imagine you are designing a computer system to solve an unknown problem, and you have these

Re: [agi] Thought experiment on informationally limited systems

2008-02-28 Thread Bob Mottram
I guess the first thing you would need for an Unknown Problem Solver would be some way to determine usefulness. To be able to achieve some goal the system may need measures of usefulness which span intermediate stages towards the goal, or which are stacked in a series. If the system has no idea

Re: [agi] Thought experiment on informationally limited systems

2008-02-28 Thread William Pearson
On 28/02/2008, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/28/08, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to try and elucidate my approach to building an intelligent system, in a round about fashion. This is the problem I am trying to solve. Imagine you are designing

Re: [agi] Thought experiment on informationally limited systems

2008-02-28 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 2/28/08, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note I want something different than computational universality. E.g. Von Neumann architectures are generally programmable, Harvard architectures aren't. As they can't be reprogrammed at run time. It seems that you want to build the AGI from

Re: [agi] would anyone want to use a commonsense KB?

2008-02-28 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, I think Ben's text mining approach has one big flaw: it can only reason about existing knowledge, but cannot generate new ideas using words / concepts. Text mining is not an AGI approach, it's merely a possible way of getting knowledge into an AGI. Whether the AGI can generate new ideas

Re: [agi] would anyone want to use a commonsense KB?

2008-02-28 Thread Mark Waser
I think Ben's text mining approach has one big flaw: it can only reason about existing knowledge, but cannot generate new ideas using words / concepts There is a substantial amount of literature that claims that *humans* can't generate new ideas de novo either -- and that they can only

Re: [agi] Thought experiment on informationally limited systems

2008-02-28 Thread Mike Tintner
WP: I'm going to try and elucidate my approach to building an intelligent system, in a round about fashion. This is the problem I am trying to solve. Marks for at least trying to identify an AGI problem. I can't recall anyone else doing so - which, to repeat, I think is appalling. But I

Re: [agi] Thought experiment on informationally limited systems

2008-02-28 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:20 PM, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/02/2008, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Generally programmable, yes. But that's very broad. Many systems have this property. Note I want something different than computational

Re: [agi] Thought experiment on informationally limited systems

2008-02-28 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to try and elucidate my approach to building an intelligent system, in a round about fashion. This is the problem I am trying to solve. Imagine you are designing a computer system to solve an unknown problem, and you have these

Re: Common Sense Consciousness [WAS Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge]

2008-02-28 Thread Jim Bromer
Mike Tintner wrote: You're crossing a road - you track both the oncoming car and your body with all your senses at once - see a continuous moving image of the car, hear the noise of the engine and tires, possibly smell it if there's a smell of gasoline, have a kinaesthetic sense of

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge

2008-02-28 Thread Jim Bromer
Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is purely rhetorical gamesmanship ben I studied some rhetoric and while a learned how to avoid some of the worst pitfalls of gamemanship and how to avoid wasting *all* of my time, I found that the study, which was one of Aristotle's subjects by

Re: Common Sense Consciousness [WAS Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge]

2008-02-28 Thread Mike Tintner
Er, just to clarify. You guys have, or know of, AI systems which run continuous movies of the world, analysing and responding to those movies with all the relevant senses, as discussed below, and then to the world beyond those movies, in real time (or any time, for that matter)? Mike

Re: Common Sense Consciousness [WAS Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge]

2008-02-28 Thread Richard Loosemore
Mike Tintner wrote: Er, just to clarify. You guys have, or know of, AI systems which run continuous movies of the world, analysing and responding to those movies with all the relevant senses, as discussed below, and then to the world beyond those movies, in real time (or any time, for that

Re: Common Sense Consciousness [WAS Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge]

2008-02-28 Thread Mike Tintner
Sorry, yes the run is ambiguous. I mean that what the human mind does is *watch* continuous movies - but it then runs/creates its own extensive movies based on its experience in dreams - and, with some effort, replay movies in conscious imagination. The point is: my impression is that in