[agi] hello

2008-08-13 Thread rick the ponderer
Hello, I'm a singularity/agi enthusiast and have been reading on the subject for a couple of years. I hope It's ok to ask questions on this forum (that it's not specifically for opencog/novamente). What do you think of Geoff Hinton's wake-sleep neural networks in his paper To recognize shapes,

Re: [agi] hello

2008-08-13 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 8/13/08, rick the ponderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading this, I get the view of ai as basically neural networks, where each individual perceptron could be any of a number of algorithms (decision tree, random forest, svm etc). I also get the view that academics such as Hinton are trying

Re: [agi] hello

2008-08-13 Thread rick the ponderer
On 8/13/08, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/13/08, rick the ponderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading this, I get the view of ai as basically neural networks, where each individual perceptron could be any of a number of algorithms (decision tree, random forest, svm etc).

Re: [agi] hello

2008-08-13 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 8/13/08, rick the ponderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for replying YKY Is the logic learning you are talking about inductive logic programming. If so, isn't ilp basically a search through the space of logic programs (i may be way off the mark here!), wouldn't it be too large of a search

Re: [agi] hello

2008-08-13 Thread Jim Bromer
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:14 AM, rick the ponderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for replying YKY Is the logic learning you are talking about inductive logic programming. If so, isn't ilp basically a search through the space of logic programs (i may be way off the mark here!), wouldn't it

Re: [agi] The Necessity of Embodiment

2008-08-13 Thread Jim Bromer
There is a another reason why embodied agi is useful. That is because the challenge will provide some discipline for the programmer who might otherwise never confront the structural problems that I believe are fundamental to the problem of developing genuine agi. Jim Bromer

Re: [agi] PLN and Bayes net comparison

2008-08-13 Thread Ben Goertzel
YKY asked: I'm interested in how the the rules are fetched from memory, and how the variables get instantiated, etc... How would you represent the given facts: John is male John is unmarried and then perform the inference to get John is a bachelor? Sorry if this sounds too

Re: [agi] PLN and Bayes net comparison

2008-08-13 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 8/13/08, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if one doesn't need to get into implementation details, in the simplest case one just has VariableScopeLink X ImplicationLink ___ANDLink __ InheritanceLink X male __ InheritanceLink X Unmarried ___InheritanceLink X bachelor

Re: [agi] The Necessity of Embodiment

2008-08-13 Thread James Ratcliff
How do you interact with, and how does your idea of advanced AGI act without being embodied? I dont see how it can without being embodied (VR at least), *to some extent*, and the more embodied, the more complicated actions that can be allowed. A personal assistant AGI could be attached to a

Re: [agi] The Necessity of Embodiment

2008-08-13 Thread Jim Bromer
Well I think I agree with you to the extent that you recognize that virtual reality can act as a kind of embodiment and that the features that are significant to AG in such a system would be the potential for interrelated complexity. But, with an advanced AGI capable of genuine learning, the same

[agi] An overdue introduction

2008-08-13 Thread Jonathan El-Bizri
I just realized that my emails have been ignored by the list-serv, which explains the stunning silence I had received for all my earlier posts. It's probably for the best : In any case, here's a repost of my introduction. That was both delayed, and is also no longer overdue, since my earlier

[agi] Article: A New State of Mind - Dopamine, reinforcement learning and intellectual concepts

2008-08-13 Thread Jonathan El-Bizri
Interesting article on the discovery of the connection between dopamine, reinforcement learning and social neuroscience in a recent Seed Magazine article: Evolution essentially bootstrapped our penchant for intellectual concepts to the same reward circuits that govern our animal appetites.

[agi] San Francisco AGI reading group?

2008-08-13 Thread Jonathan El-Bizri
Email lists are all very well, but I must confess that I've been primed by thousands of years of evolution for the exchange of ideas via aural dissemination in a real time environment. And preferably around a camp fire accompanied by some kind of burnt animal meat on a stick and a fermented

Re: [agi] The Necessity of Embodiment

2008-08-13 Thread Jonathan El-Bizri
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Jim Bromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a another reason why embodied agi is useful. That is because the challenge will provide some discipline for the programmer who might otherwise never confront the structural problems that I believe are fundamental

[agi] The results of disembodiment

2008-08-13 Thread Brad Paulsen
Pieces of rat brain controls small robo platform. How's *that* for an out-of-body experience! There's video even!! http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/mg19926696.100-rise-of-the-ratbrained-robots.html Cheers, Brad P.S. Sorry I haven't been participating on the list that much

Re: [agi] The Necessity of Embodiment

2008-08-13 Thread Jim Bromer
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Jim Bromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a another reason why embodied agi is useful. That is because the challenge will provide some discipline for the programmer who might

[agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue

2008-08-13 Thread Ed Porter
A 'Frankenrobot' with a biological brain Meet Gordon, probably the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue. Article at http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080813192458.ud84hj9hshow_article=1 --- agi Archives:

Re: [agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue

2008-08-13 Thread Mike Tintner
[agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissueThanks, Ed. My casual impression is that the scientist here, Kevin Warwick, is un peu d'un nut - although skilled at self-publicising. Some years ago, he had a chip sewn into his arm. He was going to open doors with

RE: [agi] Meet the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue

2008-08-13 Thread Ed Porter
Mike, Thanks for the heads up. Maybe the project will go nowhere. But to me the fact that he has been able to create any sort of neural net with 50K to 100K nodes, with presumably a potential connectivity as high at human neurons (i.e., upto 10K synapses) is impressive. Presumably