> From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> John:The synchronous melodies of the crickets strumming their legs,
> changes
> harmony as the wind moves warmthness. The reeds vibrate; the birds,
> fearing
> the snake, break their rhythmic falsetto polyphonies and flutter away to
> new
> pastur
The environmental complexities are different. NYC has been there for
hundreds of years. Human brain has been in nature for hundreds of thousands
of years. A manmade environment for AGI is custom made in the beginning; we
don't just throw it out on the street or into the jungle. It can start off
in
John:The synchronous melodies of the crickets strumming their legs, changes
harmony as the wind moves warmthness. The reeds vibrate; the birds, fearing
the snake, break their rhythmic falsetto polyphonies and flutter away to new
pastures.
But with humans, pattern-breaking and the seeking of nove
> From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> It's actually obvious if you care to listen, that music involves a
> combination of pattern fitting/extrapolation and pattern BREAKING. The
> whole
> point of a pop song is that it involves a creative idea - a *twist* on
> existing patterns. That'
> From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> It's actually obvious if you care to listen, that music involves a
> combination of pattern fitting/extrapolation and pattern BREAKING. The
> whole
> point of a pop song is that it involves a creative idea - a *twist* on
> existing patterns. That'
Vladimir Nesov:> I think sterile texture of "artificial" environments hides
the> richness of their structure from our intuition, since we already have> it
imprinted by experience with the real world. Anything less than> capable of
dealing with the real world won't understand "cleaned up"> enviro
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Subject: RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited
intelligence
John Rose writes:
> So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the natural richness
> of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared to what would
> be needed in softwar
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Derek Zahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Rose writes:
>
>> So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the natural richness
>> of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared to what would
>> be needed in software AGI.
>
> Are we satisfied
John Rose writes:> So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the
natural richness> of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared
to what would> be needed in software AGI.
Are we satisfied building AGIs that cannot cope with the actual world because
it is too rich?
Pe
John G: "human musical pattern extrapolation fidelity is a sort of an
averaging of the human minds full
capability of an astonishingly robust pattern recognizing ability...I feel
that our modern audial
pattern recognition ability has been extremely dumbed down"
The arts as seen by a mathemati
> From: Joseph Gentle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> There are two interesting points here.
>
> The first is that (in my opinion) pattern matching must come first. I
> agree that understanding the patterns (the /why/) is important; but
> seeing (even unjustified) patterns is crucial. The benchm
Joseph,
On 5/20/08, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Steve Richfield
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Now, decades later, come the present discussions about patterns,
> apparently
> > advanced along with the same lines of "thought" that was behind that
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Steve Richfield
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now, decades later, come the present discussions about patterns, apparently
> advanced along with the same lines of "thought" that was behind that IQ test
> so many years ago. Pattern recognition without underlying suppor
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Subject: Re: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited
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John,
Background Note: My first full-time job was doing CAD for the first Boeing
737s - the first planes to be substantially designed by CAD.
John,
Background Note: My first full-time job was doing CAD for the first Boeing
737s - the first planes to be substantially designed by CAD. There was
little CAD software back then, so we had to create it ourselves. Starting
from wind tunnel data, we had to figure out how to place supports into w
It's not just - oh now I recognize a pattern and can predict the next few
items. It's oh I see and understand numerous patterns all intermeshed and
have a rich knowledge base of raw and processed pattern data...and my
operators are patterns, etc.. Most stuff in the universe is patterns, but
all i
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