Joshua Fox wrote:
What would s/he say if I asked "Why do you not pursue or support AGI
research? Even if you believe that implementation is a long way off,
surely academia can study, and has studied for thousands of years,
impractical but interesting pie-in-the-sky topics, including human
Joshua Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to raise a FAQ: Why is so little AGI research and development being
> done?
Perhaps it's just a matter of faith -- some believe in it, and some don't ;-)
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Eliezer,Shane, what would you do if you had your headway? Say, you won the
lottery tomorrow (ignoring the fact that no rational person would buy aticket). Not just "AGI" - what specifically would you sit down and doall day?I've got a list of things I'd like to be working on. For example, I'd lik
Thanks, all, for those insightful answers. In combination with the published discussion of the topic, this thread is enlightening. Still, to push the point, I am fantasizing a conversation with a Hypothetical Open-Minded World-Renowned Eloquent Cognitive Scientist (Howecs). Surely there must be a f
Shane Legg wrote:
Funding is certainly a problem. I'd like to work on my own AGI ideas
after my PhD is over next year... but can I get money to do that?
Probably not. So as a compromise I'll have to work on something else
in AI during the day, and spend my weekends doing the stuff I'd
really
I think that's an insightful summary which really matches very well my
experience of people doing academic research on AI. There are
really exceptionally few of the "hard core" people who are just
relentlessly persuing it year after year. Many people doing
computer science courses take an intere
This is a question that I've thought about from time to time. The conclusionI've come to is that there isn't really one or two reasons, there are many.Surprisingly, most people in academic AI aren't really all that into AI.
It's a job. It's more interesting than doing database programming ina ban
AGI ideas that are well developed can be quite concrete, as well as having
payoffs in the near future. Our project's business plan aims to do both.
Peter
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Additional factor: AGI ideas are often vague or analogical.
I recall a recruiter from a CS PhD program (maybe UW?) citing that AI
students take one year longer on average to complete their PhD because
they spend the first year convinced that they've struck upon an idea
which is going to be the solution to general AI. I agree with this
assessment -- I spent
Pei Wang wrote:
Why in other fields of AI, or CS in general, do many people work on
other people's ideas?
I guess the AGI ideas are still not convincing and attractive enough
to other people.
Additional factor: AGI ideas are often vague or analogical. Even the
ideas with mathematically desc
Why in other fields of AI, or CS in general, do many people work on
other people's ideas?
I guess the AGI ideas are still not convincing and attractive enough
to other people.
Pei
On 9/13/06, Andrew Babian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PS. http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm
This a
> PS. http://adaptiveai.com/company/opportunities.htm
This also reminds me of something, and I know it's true of myself, and I think
it might be generally true. It seems like people tend to have their own ideas
of what they want to be done, and they are just not very interested in working
on some
Joshua Fox wrote:
I'd like to raise a FAQ: Why is so little AGI research and development
being done?
...
Thanks,
Joshua
What proportion of the work that is being done do you believe you are
aware of? On what basis?
My suspicion is that most people on the track of something new tend to
be
This is also something which has baffled me for a long time.
I've been mucking around with AI and related software since I was a
kid, and as the years went by it gradually dawned upon me what the real
problems were which needed to be overcome if any significant progress
was going to be made. One
Yes, that is what No. 6 is about. The situation is made worse by the
"AI has been solved" claims on the web from different places.
Pei
On 9/13/06, Stephen Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would add that previous more-or-less general AI
projects have not greatly exceeded their modest
expectatio
On 9/13/06, Stephen Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would add that previous more-or-less general AIprojects have not greatly exceeded their modestexpectations. So given this experience perhaps thereis a tendency among potential sponsors to classify newAGI projects as crackpot schemes.
And let's
I would add that previous more-or-less general AI
projects have not greatly exceeded their modest
expectations. So given this experience perhaps there
is a tendency among potential sponsors to classify new
AGI projects as crackpot schemes.
-Steve
--- Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good qu
Hi,
P.S. Ben, did you consider trying to invite Minsky to an AGI workshop?
Certainly it's hard and perhaps not possible yet, but that would be
a large advertisement for AGI.
Marvin Minsky was invited to the AGIRI workshop but elected not to attend.
We did have a number of respected AI academi
On 9/13/06, Joshua Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd like to raise a FAQ: Why is so little AGI research and development being done?
Time and money. AGI takes too long. When people spend several years on
something for no result whatsoever, they quite reasonably find
something more productive to do
Hi.
the "establishment" are not on board. I just can't believe that , for
example, almost all leading
computer-science/cognitive-science professors are
herd-following closed-minded stuck-in-the-muds. The leading universities do
have their share of creative, free-thinking, inquisitive people, and
Good question.
I and Ben are drafting an introductory chapter for the AGIRI Workshop
Proceedings, and in it we want to list the major objections to AGI
research, then reject them one by one. Now the list includes the
following:
1. "AGI is impossible" --- such as the opinions from Lucas, Dreyfus,
Yes, an important point. For our project
we invented a new profession: AI psychologist.
It is very hard to find computer
scientists who are comfortable thinking about a program (AGI) in terms of teaching,
training and psychology. Conversely, developmental and cognitive psychologists
us
I considered and researched this issue thoroughly
a few years ago.
For a summary: http://adaptiveai.com/faq/index.htm#few_researchers
For detail: http://adaptiveai.com/research/index.htm
(section 8)
In addition to asking researchers you also
need to look at psychological and hidde
Joshua Fox wrote:
I'd like to raise a FAQ: Why is so little AGI research and development
being done?
The answers of Goertzel, Moravec, Kurzweil, Voss, and others all agree
on this (no need to repeat them here), and I've read Are We Spiritual
Machines, but I come away unsatisfied. (Still, if t
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:04:31 +0300, Joshua Fox wrote
> I'd like to raise a FAQ: Why is so little AGI research and development
being done?
I think this is a very good question. Maybe the problem has just been daunting. It seems like only recently have there really started to be some good the
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