Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: >The task doesn't disallow it. If it's somehow helpful to do that, go for it. The task specification doesn't explicitly disallow printing out non-primes either. Would a program that prints all integers from 0 to 255 qualify? -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest, take three

2007-12-12 Thread Zefram
Iammars wrote: >I join the above contest. There is no contest above. There was a contest *below* that sentence. A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it destroys the flow of conversation. Q: Why is top-posting bad? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in email? -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Zefram wrote: > The task specification doesn't explicitly disallow printing out non-primes > either. Would a program that prints all integers from 0 to 255 qualify? Actually it says (and only prime numbers). -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest, take three

2007-12-12 Thread comex
On 12/12/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? > A: Because it destroys the flow of conversation. > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in email? It's less annoying than quoting the entire message and then bottom-posting :D

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest, take three

2007-12-12 Thread Iammars
On Dec 12, 2007 7:57 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/12/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A: Yes. > > Q: Are you sure? > > A: Because it destroys the flow of conversation. > > Q: Why is top-posting bad? > > A: Top-posting. > > Q: What is the most annoying thing in email? > > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest, take three

2007-12-12 Thread Zefram
-zefram film showed scenes in rev... no wait, they did that one. Imagine if a novel had the chapters printed in reverse order. Or if a with having to repeatedly jump backwards. really need to be read in chronological order. The same issue arises the newest post first, but as themes are discusse

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Dec 11, 2007 6:18 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 10 December 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: > > We'll begin relatively simple: the first task for Brainfuck Golf is > > to print out all the prime numbers (and only the prime numbers) less > > than 256, delimited by newlines, and then te

DIS: Re: BUS: A suggestion

2007-12-12 Thread Roger Hicks
On Dec 11, 2007 7:18 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suggest that all Agorans come to aid our fellow nomic, B Nomic, in a time of > need. Currently, its rules seem to be breaking down. The Grand Chancellor of > B has taken control of the game state. Therefore, I request that all

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest, take three

2007-12-12 Thread comex
On 12/12/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Imagine if a novel had the chapters printed in reverse order. I know of at least one children's novel that does this. > I'm sure you'll agree it's much more readable than > the usual kind of top-posting. (giggle) Wait, are you serious?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: I didn't try to figure out how to actually go about computing primes; how to do any sort of useful conditional statements was beyond me (since submitting my program I read up a bit on brainfuck algorithms and should probably be better equipped for the next task, but it would have f

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 11, 2007 11:01 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, can you clarify: the list of allowable printing methods permits > different bases as long as its consistent, but just printing out the ASCII > character for each number and referring to the lookup table (as someone > sugge

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread comex
On 12/12/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I explicitly enumerated the allowable printing methods, and base 256 > wasn't one of them. Or at least that was my intention. I'll have to > be clearer next time. What about little-endian binary?

DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf

2007-12-12 Thread Taral
On 12/11/07, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I end the voting period. > Valid votes are: > SUPPORT > OBJECT > The decision made by Agora is APPROVE. Don't you need more support than object? -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give y

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 12, 2007 11:28 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I came very close to writing a perl program that was going to figure > out for me the optimal steps to take to do things this way, which also > seemed a bit like cheating. Then I briefly toyed with the notion of > writing a Brai

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Dec 12, 2007 11:36 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wooble wrote: > > > I didn't try to figure out how to actually go about computing primes; > > how to do any sort of useful conditional statements was beyond me > > (since submitting my program I read up a bit on brainfuck algorithms >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest, take three

2007-12-12 Thread Geoffrey Spear
I've usually already read the messages being replied to, and don't re-read them in the quoted message. My mail client also collapses all the quoted stuff since it's displayed immediately above the new message in the previous message. Again, blame Gmail. On Dec 12, 2007 8:26 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PRO

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 12, 2007 10:35 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/12/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I explicitly enumerated the allowable printing methods, and base 256 > > wasn't one of them. Or at least that was my intention. I'll have to > > be clearer next time. > What about li

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 12, 2007 11:30 AM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/11/07, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I end the voting period. > > Valid votes are: > > SUPPORT > > OBJECT > > The decision made by Agora is APPROVE. > > Don't you need more support than object? The action was with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf

2007-12-12 Thread Taral
On 12/12/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The action was without 2 objections, not with Agoran consent. And the original intent was stated as "without 3 objections". > However, I think that was a list of ballot options rather than a > tally, so the resolution is probably ineffective any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 12, 2007 3:40 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: > > > What about little-endian binary? > > I would interpret "binary" to mean "binary numeral system" rather than > > "binary data encoding". I've never seen any version of Arabic > > numera

DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Would anyone be interested in starting a new game using the rules below? Are there any problems that would kill it before it started? Rule 101/0 A citizen shall not commit treason (disobey the rules). Rule 102/0 (Blue) At the moment the game starts, the rules consist of Rules 101

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread comex
On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: > > What about little-endian binary? > I would interpret "binary" to mean "binary numeral system" rather than > "binary data encoding". I've never seen any version of Arabic > numerals that was little-endian. > > -root Not sure what you mean there,

DIS: Re: [s-d] ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Roger Hicks
Cross posting, because I'm not sure where to send this. Looks rather interesting to me. My only gripe is with the Suber numbering system which I have always found to be highly annoying (pet peeve I guess). Begin rule and proposal numbers with 0 or 1 and I would participate. BobTHJ On 12/12/07, E

Re: DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Levi Stephen
Ed Murphy wrote: Would anyone be interested in starting a new game using the rules below? Are there any problems that would kill it before it started? I'd be interested. I don't see any game killers. A few things I'd probably do differently, but that's what proposals are for ;) Levi

Re: DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 12, 2007 3:54 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would anyone be interested in starting a new game using the rules > below? Are there any problems that would kill it before it started? I'm in. -root

Re: DIS: Re: [s-d] ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 12, 2007 4:04 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looks rather interesting to me. My only gripe is with the Suber > numbering system which I have always found to be highly annoying (pet > peeve I guess). Begin rule and proposal numbers with 0 or 1 and I > would participate. I agree

Re: DIS: Re: [s-d] ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Roger Hicks
On 12/12/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 4:04 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Looks rather interesting to me. My only gripe is with the Suber > > numbering system which I have always found to be highly annoying (pet > > peeve I guess). Begin rule and propos

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: > I've never seen any version of Arabic >numerals that was little-endian. Actually Arabic numerals in their original form *were* little-endian. Written right-to-left, like the rest of the Arabic script. When they were adopted by Europeans, the same visual

Re: DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Buddha Buck
On Dec 12, 2007 5:54 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would anyone be interested in starting a new game using the rules > below? Are there any problems that would kill it before it started? > > I'm interested. I don't see any problems myself. I will point out that, in keeping with the

Re: DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: > Would anyone be interested in starting a new game using the rules > below? Are there any problems that would kill it before it started? Killing something before the mission starts is expected, Citizen.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 12, 2007 4:25 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian Kelly wrote: > > I've never seen any version of Arabic > >numerals that was little-endian. > > Actually Arabic numerals in their original form *were* little-endian. > Written right-to-left, like the rest of the

Re: DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 12, 2007 3:54 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would anyone be interested in starting a new game using the rules > below? Are there any problems that would kill it before it started? Since the initial rules already mention clones, there might as well be something like this: Rule

Re: DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Dec 12, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: On Dec 12, 2007 3:54 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would anyone be interested in starting a new game using the rules below? Are there any problems that would kill it before it started? I had kicked around a similar idea a while back.

Re: DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Dec 12, 2007 6:28 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Computer decides all CFJs. (Which of course needs an appropriate > mechanism.) Appealing a ruling of The Computer demonstrates doubt in > The Computer's infallible governing, which is treason. Yes! Eminently abusable, th

Re: DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Roger Hicks
On 12/12/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 6:28 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Computer decides all CFJs. (Which of course needs an appropriate > > mechanism.) Appealing a ruling of The Computer demonstrates doubt in > > The Computer's infallible

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf

2007-12-12 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 12 December 2007 11:30:05 Taral wrote: > On 12/11/07, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I end the voting period. > > Valid votes are: > > SUPPORT > > OBJECT > > The decision made by Agora is APPROVE. > > Don't you need more support than object? > > -- > Taral <[EMAIL P

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf

2007-12-12 Thread Taral
On 12/12/07, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry; that's a result of my preferred method for publishing votes. > SUPPORT people who supported > OBJECt people who objected. > There were no votes, so it's approved. ;) Way obscure, especially with the heading "Valid votes are", which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf

2007-12-12 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 12 December 2007 21:52:37 Taral wrote: > On 12/12/07, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry; that's a result of my preferred method for publishing votes. > > SUPPORT people who supported > > OBJECt people who objected. > > There were no votes, so it's approved. ;) > >