Since I've been thinking a lot about proposals I could submit that
might benefit Agora, I decided I'd throw an idea out there for you
guys to give me feedback.
My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np, which is
the base-10 log of its worth. 2 Np is worth 10x as much as 1 Np whic
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:14 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My guess
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think he means post-message-send.
>
> But it's unreasonable, anyway.
Why is that unreasonable? That's like saying that the company I work
for does not control its email servers, because they're actually
managed by the IT
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is the King of America (a) a possible "it", (b) an entity?
Answer to (a): "The King of America: who is it?" Answer to (b): sure,
why not? It's a position that could possibly be filled, at the least.
I agree to the following: {
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Name: Agoran Twister
[SNIP]
>
> Without objection by any of its parties, I intend to terminate the
> above contract.
For the contracts that aren't pledges, you need the active consent of
all parties, not just lack of objection.
CFJ 1989 asks if:
>All actions are regulated.
The caller provides the following evidence:
> R2125 reads, in part:
>
> An action is regulated if:
>
> [...]
>
>d) The rules explicitly state that it MAY be performed while
> certain conditions are satisfied. Such an
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:32 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 6/5/08, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Anyone care to act on the AFO's behalf to consent?
>>>
>>> BobTHJ
>>
>> You are a member of the AFO, are
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/9 comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Anyway, we should not "sympathize" with the PNP for not being able to
>> send votes. If the list is down, the "appropriate forum" for the PNP
>> to send votes to is clearly one of the
NOTE: This is a proto-proposal. This is not an attempt to submit an
actual proposal. This one probably needs some work.
Chambers
AI: 3
{
Create a new rule titled "Chambers" with Power=3 and the text:
{{
A player who is a member of an existing public contract CAN make the
contract into a chamber wi
2008/6/8 Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Could someone explain this to me? I vaguely recall something about a
> former rule that made discussion of voting on these things illegal,
> but that rule no longer exists, right?
>
> avpx
Insane proposal: proposal ALL IN UPPERCASE
You couldn't talk
2008/6/8 Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Since I've been thinking a lot about proposals I could submit that
> might benefit Agora, I decided I'd throw an idea out there for you
> guys to give me feedback.
>
> My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np, which is
> the base-10
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since I've been thinking a lot about proposals I could submit that
> might benefit Agora, I decided I'd throw an idea out there for you
> guys to give me feedback.
>
> My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviat
2008/6/11 Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE
>> 5546 D0 2ais523 Monstrous Decrees
>
> COE: You missed my proposal "Empower the Notary" (though to be fair I
> sent it to A-B, and it may
comex wrote (to a-b, delivery delayed):
> I judge CFJ 1964 UNIMPUGNED.
I've updated the CotC DB to reflect the earlier date of judgement.
COE: Comex is a member of Objectionable
root wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> root wrote:
>>
>>> Now that I think about it, can filibuster, as currently written, even
>>> work? Couldn't setting the quorum too high to be adopted be construed
>>> as "preventing a proposal from taking effect
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ais523 wrote:
>
>> I request subsidization.
>
> So do I. (This may be unsuccessful.)
>
>
It is.
BobTHJ
avpx wrote:
> My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np, which is
> the base-10 log of its worth. 2 Np is worth 10x as much as 1 Np which
> is worth 10x as much as 0 Np. One can transfer, for example, 1 Np to a
> person who has 2 Np, and, assuming no tax, the recipient will have
Quazie wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE
>>> 5546 D0 2ais523 Monstrous Decrees
>> COE: You missed my proposal "Empower the Notary" (t
Nevermind. There was already a thread on that.
avpx
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could someone explain this to me? I vaguely recall something about a
> former rule that made discussion of voting on these things illegal,
> but that rule no longer exi
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quazie wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE
5546 D0 2ais523
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Since I've been thinking a lot about proposals I could submit that
>> might benefit Agora, I decided I'd throw an idea out there for you
>> guys to
I don't think this would work. After all, then what's the point of
having any amount of Np? If everything just costs a percentage of your
money, then it doesn't matter how much you have, because you can still
afford everything!
avpx
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
On 6/8/08, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np, which is
> the base-10 log of its worth.
Isn't this just a representational hack?
--
Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Off the top of my head, a Power=1 rule could (if created) allow
> decreasing AI, and/or re-define "ratio" and shift it from 754(3)
> to 754(2). Anything else?
I imagine it could even change the text of a proposal.
-root
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This never went through it seems, it was sent before i was potentially
> deregistered.
I received it.
-root
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You couldn't talk about it, in public or private (that's the
> unenforcable part), and all votes must be sent privately by email to ?
> (I think the notary).
The Assessor.
> If you proposed an insane proposal which got no
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps we should try Insaner proposals: all of the above, plus the
> proposal's title, text, author and AI are secret as well.
The ID number should be secret too, and should be assigned after those
given to the other proposal
Nick Vanderweit wrote:
>My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np, which is
>the base-10 log of its worth.
This is stupid. You've defined a perfectly ordinary currency (well,
except for apparently being infinitely divisible), and you're just
describing amounts of it on a logarit
Ian Kelly wrote:
>The R1868 clause should probably say "subject to restriction by other
>rules", though.
No, it's modified wholesale for appeal cases.
-zefram
Yes.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/8/08, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np, which is
>> the base-10 log of its worth.
>
> Isn't this just a representational hack?
>
> --
> Taral <[
2008/6/11 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The ID number should be secret too, and should be assigned after those
> given to the other proposals in the same batch, so only the Promoter
> knows just how many Insaner proposals are being voted on until the
> next batch is sent out.
>
This would
2008/6/11 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Perhaps we should try Insaner proposals: all of the above, plus the
> proposal's title, text, author and AI are secret as well.
>
> -root
>
Very yes.
ehird
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Ian Kelly wrote:
> Perhaps we should try Insaner proposals: all of the above, plus the
> proposal's title, text, author and AI are secret as well.
Unless there's some way to double-blind it, that's a lot of power for
the assessor (assessor conspirator is what scammed it previ
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I harvest 1990, a CFJ, for 2 WRV.
> I mill 6 * 9 to get X.
> I harvest 1990, a CFJ, for 2 WRV.
You can't harvest the same CFJ twice.
-root
avpx wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> avpx wrote:
>>
>>> My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np, which is
>>> the base-10 log of its worth. 2 Np is worth 10x as much as 1 Np which
>>> is worth 10x as much as 0 Np. One can transf
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/8/08, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np, which is
>> the base-10 log of its worth.
>
> Isn't this just a representational hack?
Yes, this is simply an
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> avpx wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> avpx wrote:
>>>
My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np, which is
the base-10 log of its worth. 2 Np is wo
2008/6/11 Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Unless there's some way to double-blind it, that's a lot of power for
> the assessor (assessor conspirator is what scammed it previously).
> -Goethe
A double blind proposal system both makes no sense at all and sounds
totally awesome.
ehird
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Elliott Hird
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You couldn't talk about it, in public or private (that's the
>> unenforcable part), and all votes must be sent privately by email to ?
>> (I think t
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Elliott Hird
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> You couldn't talk about it, in public or private (that's the
>>> unenforcabl
Ivan Hope wrote:
> And once people advance as far as log(37) rather than
> 1.56820172, they'd like to go ahead and make it 37 Np.
Speak for yourself.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Nick Vanderweit wrote:
> But then people would know how many FOR and AGAINST votes there had
> been, and would simply use that to judge how they would vote.
That's ok. Games to play:
-So who votes first?
-What if you vote as a decoy and change your vote at the last min
Well here's an idea. We could use a linear currency, with colors
representing place values. For example, we could go ROYGBIV for the
values of the currencies, with a violet unit being worth 10^6 times as
much as a red one. I know how much Agorans like colors.
Alice has 300 units of (linear) curren
On Jun 11, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
This (very late and overlooked; my apologies) message initiates the
Agoran Decision to choose the holder of the Assessor office. The
valid options are ROOT and MURPHY, the eligible voters are the active
players, and the vote collector is the I
On Jun 11, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Taral wrote:
On 6/8/08, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My idea is an official currency, the Napier, abbreviated Np,
which is
the base-10 log of its worth.
Isn't this just a representational hack?
It needs some work on that point. I suggest a sma
> It needs some work on that point. I suggest a small tweak or two:
>
> Set the Np's base such that 1 Np = 10^0 of the base unit.
> Then (in deference to hoary Agoran tradition) call the base unit the Papyrus
> (pl: Papyri).
>
> This way, P = Np.
> -
> Benjamin Schultz KE3OM
> OscarMeyr
>
Why
2008/6/12 Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Why would we set 1 Np = 10^0 of the base unit? What exactly does that achieve?
>
> I like your other idea, though. But I'm waiting for feedback on my
> colors idea :-\
>
> avpx
>
It achives P=NP.
ehird
So should I just write up a proto-proposal for an ordinary linear
numerical system of currency with the proposed ideas (transfer tax,
etc)?
avpx
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well here's an idea. We could use a linear currency, with colors
> representing place values. For example, we could go ROYGBIV for the
> values of the currencies, with a violet unit being worth 10^6 times as
> much as a r
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well here's an idea. We could use a linear currency, with colors
>> representing place values. For example, we could go ROYGBIV for the
>> values
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I actually rather like this Bank idea. So, if Alice and Bob deposit 3G
> each, and then Carol makes change for 2Y with a 1% fee, then she may
> request 19O and 8R, and the remaining 2R would go to Alice and Bob,
> with e
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A transfer tax would discourage people from transferring currency.
> Where would that tax go?
It pays for public works and officer salaries, of course.
-root
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A transfer tax would discourage people from transferring currency.
>> Where would that tax go?
>
> It pays for public works and officer salaries, of c
The transfer tax would, as has been formerly stated, go into paying
salaries to officers, and the tax rate would be variable to find a
certain "sweet spot" where the money is moving around a lot and lots
of trade is occurring. I'd say it'd go by percentage to people who did
their reports on time an
Goethe wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Nick Vanderweit wrote:
>> But then people would know how many FOR and AGAINST votes there had
>> been, and would simply use that to judge how they would vote.
>
> That's ok. Games to play:
>-So who votes first?
>-What if you vote as a decoy and change
On 6/11/08, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I harvest 1990, a CFJ, for 2 WRV.
> > I mill 6 * 9 to get X.
> > I harvest 1990, a CFJ, for 2 WRV.
>
> You can't harvest the same CFJ twice.
Aw. Well, I guess I have to wai
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