DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 6402 D 1 3.0 woggle              Regulating Act-on-Behalf AGAINST.  This should allow Private contracts to do so as well (if the contract detail is published when the act is performed). Otherwise, we'd just make zoop

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think that would work as it would require acting on behalf to create the public contract. The parties to a contract can agree to it secretly and have it become a public contract upon one of them publishing the contract and a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, comex wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 6402 D 1 3.0 woggle              Regulating Act-on-Behalf AGAINST.  This should allow Private contracts to do so as well (if the contract detail is published when the act is performed).

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 09:35 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: AGAINST. This should allow Private contracts to do so as well (if the contract detail is published when the act is performed). Otherwise, we'd just make zoop around it with some weirdness like in this private contract, the contractees

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think that would work as it would require acting on behalf to create the public contract. The parties to a contract can agree to it secretly and have it become a public contract

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 09:35 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: AGAINST. This should allow Private contracts to do so as well (if the contract detail is published when the act is performed). Otherwise, we'd just make zoop around it with some weirdness like in this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 10:17 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I have at least one private contract with a trigger that does exactly that. I think in this case, needing such a trigger is a good thing, so that everyone knows the details of the actions that are being taken; why require simultaneous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: Ah yes; my trigger publicises the whole contract. Doing it with portions wouldn't necessarily be too difficult, though; you only need one slave contract, which can be amended to add

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 10:55 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: Ah yes; my trigger publicises the whole contract. Doing it with portions wouldn't necessarily be too difficult, though; you only need one slave contract, which can be amended to add parties actions as

DIS: Re: BUS: A surprising deregistration

2009-07-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM, C-walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: As per our private contract, I act on behalf of Lynn Shawcroft to announce that e registers. Can you please provide information sufficient to contact em?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:30 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 10:58 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: Evidence: the quote above. Arguments: The issue here is about how much evidence needs to be given for act-on-behalf to work. Contracts can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: Suppose one player acts on behalf of another claiming that a secret contract (which the second is party to, but the first isn't) allows them to. The second player cannot then object without revealing information that e is contractually obligated to keep

DIS: Re: BUS: A surprising deregistration

2009-07-06 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:20 PM, C-walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm treating this as ineffective (game custom to the contrary notwithstanding), and I publish an NoV alleging that C-walker violated the

DIS: Re: BUS: A surprising deregistration

2009-07-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:20 PM, C-walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm treating this as ineffective (game custom to the contrary notwithstanding), and I publish an NoV alleging that C-walker

DIS: Re: BUS: Rest pieces

2009-07-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I vote for Goethe in the Grand Poobah election. Apparently 4 notes can't buy nickname respect :P

DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP Poobah

2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:12 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I deputize for the IADoP to accept coppro's recent COE: I believe the report was in error, and coppro is the Grand Poobah. I don't, and I judged the relevant CFJ. The existence of the election in

DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP Poobah

2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:12 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I deputize for the IADOP to initiate an Agoran Decision to determine the new officeholder of the Grand Poobah office. The eligible voters are the active first-class players. The valid options are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP Poobah

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 15:02 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think, that even if I was self-ratified as Holding the Office, the election itself was never completed if the decision wasn't started, therefore the IADoP was still required to start it. E.g., even if the state of Goethe =

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP Poobah

2009-07-06 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 15:15 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:12 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I deputize for the IADOP to initiate an Agoran Decision to determine the new officeholder of the Grand

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP Poobah

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 15:36 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: I disagree, I think; AFAICT, the election can only be resolved by deputisation at this point (and it makes sense to intend to deputise for it now, in case there's a tie). To me, the implication is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rest pieces

2009-07-06 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/7/6 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I vote for Goethe in the Grand Poobah election. Apparently 4 notes can't buy nickname respect :P Oops.

DIS: Re: BUS: This is dumb

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 19:47 -0400, comex wrote: I intend, without objection, to ratify the following incorrect document: { The office of Grand Poobah is empty. There are no ongoing elections for the office of Grand Poobah or decisions to determine a new officeholder for that office. } The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This is dumb

2009-07-06 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:05 PM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: If we really want to end the ambiguity, then G. can resign and coppro can take the office as Default Officeholder. That may not be the best way out of the issue, though. That wouldn't resolve the ambiguity pertaining to

DIS: Re: BUS: Too Busy

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 19:10 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: I resign the office of IADoP. I assume the office of IADoP. In the current climate, assuming anything about offices tends to be a bad idea. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP Poobah

2009-07-06 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: Cretans doesn't hold here, the rule doesn't claim precedence over itself. (Maybe it should be generalised to all self-contradictions?) The current holder here is interesting; my reading is holder at the time of vote collecting. It doesn't seem ridiculously counter-common-sense

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP Poobah

2009-07-06 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: Cretans doesn't hold here, the rule doesn't claim precedence over itself. (Maybe it should be generalised to all self-contradictions?) The current holder here is interesting; my reading is holder at the time of vote collecting. It doesn't seem ridiculously

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread Charles Reiss
On 7/6/09 10:06 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: [snip] That aside, it's a more general issue. Let's say I have a detailed private contract with all sorts of economic and political manipulations. One small part of that is an act on behalf of. When it happens, all the public needs to know is that the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP Poobah

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 21:40 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: Cretans doesn't hold here, the rule doesn't claim precedence over itself. (Maybe it should be generalised to all self-contradictions?) The current holder here is interesting; my reading is holder at the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: IADoP Poobah

2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: Cretans doesn't hold here, the rule doesn't claim precedence over itself. (Maybe it should be generalised to all self-contradictions?) The current holder here is interesting; my reading is holder at the time of vote