I speculate that some (contrived) interpretations might've become custom
because of a vested interest for it to be so. "I'll win the game just if I
convince enough people that this is the interpretation that we should all
go by!". And with enough time, a contrived interpretation becomes game
custom
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-05-17 23:21]:
> On 5/17/23 20:13, nix via agora-business wrote:
> > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote:
> >> I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is
> >> blob. Thank you!
> > Welcome! I grant blob a W
On Wed, 2023-05-17 at 19:13 -0500, nix via agora-business wrote:
> On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote:
> > I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is
> > blob. Thank you!
>
> Welcome! I grant blob a Welcome Package. This is interesting beca
On 5/18/23 06:44, juan via agora-discussion wrote:
I think this is kind of rude… People are free to choose their own names,
at least in Agora, and I believe its an important principle.
The problem seems to stem from the way the rules define persons regardless
of their interactions with game stat
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM juan via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-05-17 23:21]:
> > On 5/17/23 20:13, nix via agora-business wrote:
> > > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote:
> > >> I would like to register for the nomic game Ago
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On 5/18/23 13:06, beokirby agora via agora-business wrote:
I intend to register as a player of Agora.
My name is beokirby.
I will then grant myself a welcome package and envision a dream of gardens
Welcome beokirby! Keep in mind that phrases like "I intend" actually
have a specific meaning in A
Where are all of you coming from?
On 5/18/2023 2:11 PM, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote:
Where are all of you coming from?
There's a Tumblr post about Agora going around; that's how me and
beokirby got here at least.
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:09 AM nix via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> On 5/18/23 13:06, beokirby agora via agora-business wrote:
> > I intend to register as a player of Agora.
> > My name is beokirby.
> >
> > I will then grant myself a welcome package and envision a dream of gardens
> Welcome beoki
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 11:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> hehe we can still fool old players sometimes - "intend" has a
> "specific meaning" for registration as well as for other contexts, so
> beokirby registered exactly as per the rules:
>
> > An Unregistered person CAN (
Hm. We should probably use different words for registration "intents" and
tabled "intents".
In fact, I think it could be good to keyword things in the ruleset, sort of
like how MTG and plenty of other games do it, like; [Lifesteal] or [Flash].
I believe we already have something like it in "Mother
On 5/18/23 13:32, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote:
Hm. We should probably use different words for registration "intents" and
tabled "intents".
In fact, I think it could be good to keyword things in the ruleset, sort of
like how MTG and plenty of other games do it, like; [Lifesteal] o
There's a bit of a discussion on Discord right now, that "intend" (or
synonyms like "plan") have an implication of "doing in future, not
now" in many contexts, which adds to the confusion for registration -
and has specifically called out in the past in terms of "consent now"
versus "consent later"
Suggestion: match more text:
EG "16 ore" to "16 or"
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:38 AM Janet Cobb via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 5/18/23 14:36, beokirby agora via agora-business wrote:
> > I intend to clean Rule 2675 ("Dream of Wandering") by replacing "ore"
> with
I re-submit my intent but edited to be replacing " ore " with " or "
-Beokirby
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 5/18/23 14:36, beokirby agora via agora-business wrote:
> > I intend to clean Rule 2675 ("Dream of Wandering")
Maybe we could use a metaphor or just something similar and illustrative?
"A player may begin to Chant for a particular action (...) When a player
has been Chanting for (...)"
"Chant", "Spellcast" or "Summon"; perhaps. Fantasy-themed things for
'charging up' to do something. Could be any other th
On 5/18/23 14:44, beokirby agora via agora-discussion wrote:
> I re-submit my intent but edited to be replacing " ore " with " or "
>
> -Beokirby
First, this was sent to DIS (agora-discussion), so it doesn't work as an
action.
Second, the communication standard for intents is extremely high, so
Any feedback on the below before I submit it?
{
Title: Clarify Intentions
AI: 3
Author: nix
[The current wording seems to suggest that players should say something
like "I intend to register." While effective, it's quite different than
the conventional way of doing most actions. This version dis
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:22 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 11:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> > hehe we can still fool old players sometimes - "intend" has a
> > "specific meaning" for registration as well as for other contexts, so
> > beokirby
On 5/18/23 13:45, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote:
Maybe we could use a metaphor or just something similar and illustrative?
"A player may begin to Chant for a particular action (...) When a player
has been Chanting for (...)"
"Chant", "Spellcast" or "Summon"; perhaps. Fantasy-theme
I don't think that "re-submission" or "editting" intents are a thing but
the language seems to refer to just one single possible outcome, even if
its not worded precisely.
I want this to be good enough to work, but I'm not sure if CfJs are on my
side on this.
On Thursday, May 18, 2023, beokirby a
On 5/18/23 14:06, Beokirby via agora-business wrote:
I intent to clean Rule 2675 ("Dream Wandering") by replacing " ore "
with " or "
Sorry for the trouble.
No trouble at all! The rules will always have some level of learning
curve, but it's also incumbent on the more experienced players to thi
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:48 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
> Any feedback on the below before I submit it?
The example should be introduced with "for example" not "For example"
(the capitalisation is wrong for mid-sentence). Other than that, it
makes sense.
--
ais523
There's actually two criteria to think about here. One is the
criteria for intent announcements (R1728). but the other is the
criteria for rule change specifications in R105, specifically:
> A rule change is wholly prevented from taking effect unless its
> full text was published, along
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:07 PM Beokirby via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> I intent to clean Rule 2675 ("Dream Wandering") by replacing " ore "
> with " or "
> Sorry for the trouble.
>
> -Beokirby
>
>
Don't be sorry I'm like HERE for this Drama! :D
:P
--
4st
Referee
Un
Just to advertise myself a bit here, these kind of situations is what my
Invocation Proposal is trying to alleviate.
On Thursday, May 18, 2023, nix via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 5/18/23 14:06, Beokirby via agora-business wrote:
>
>> I intent to clean Rule 267
I think this will fail but, I think it could be interesting regardless to
have an unofficial (or official) record of the methods for how each win was
achieved.
On Thursday, May 18, 2023, nix via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 5/18/23 14:06, Forest Sweeney via agora-of
On 5/18/23 14:16, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote:
I think this will fail but, I think it could be interesting regardless to
have an unofficial (or official) record of the methods for how each win was
achieved.
That's not what I would use titles for. That would be better suited for
b
On 5/18/23 03:41, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote:
As I understand it, from what I assume to be a layman reading:
- After a ritual act happens, there's a 7 day margin of time.
- Within that 7 day margin, you CAN anoint by announcement by specifying a
few variables.
- These variables h
On 5/18/23 14:51, nix via agora-business wrote:
On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote:
CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain").
I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots. (and as we know,
this
investigation only occurs if it does indeed violate the rule).
I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I
violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:52 PM nix via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote:
> >
On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote:
I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I
violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3
Sufficient carefulness would be not investigating until the CFJ was
resolved, or your timer was al
On 5/18/23 16:08, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote:
>> I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I
>> violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3
> Sufficient carefulness would be not inves
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business
wrote:
> I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by
> saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder
> that it may fail is enough disclaimer to avoid no faking. I'll also
> note that Jane
Kerim Aydin via agora-business [2023-05-18 13:16]:
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:51 PM nix via agora-business
> wrote:
> >
> > On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote:
> > > CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain").
> > > I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots.
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business
> wrote:
> > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by
> > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder
> > that
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:01 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion
> wrote:
> > That said, I suspect the word in R2029 is currently undefined: I don't
> > think "a definition that was in place at the time the rule was adopted"
>
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:29 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
> Or perhaps this is just a case of "the ais523 who has been following
> Agora for over 15 years spots things that the ais523 who had been there
> for only one year didn't".
Lol, I meant to add myself that the rules underlying may
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business
> wrote:
> > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by
> > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder
> > that
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:36 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM juan via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
> Note that the "free choice" is qualified by the need to "pick em out
> in the full range of Agoran contexts". The S
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:11 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> Where are all of you coming from?
>
I was searching up about a game called "Mao" on Wikipedia, and I saw
"Nomics" are a related article below it. I clicked on it, and here I am.
On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> --
> H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster
Appreciate the little humble brag in the signature :p
--
nix
Prime Minister, Herald
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:49 -0500, blob via agora-discussion wrote:
> I, being the new player, totally agree with this. I would be more than
> willing to put some sort of marker in front of my name, as others in the
> past have done. How should I go about changing my name--or how have others
> in t
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> > --
> > H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster
>
> Appreciate the little humble brag in the signature :p
A portion of that was the result of scams, and scams
On 5/18/23 16:29, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote:
> Welcome to another episode of me being paranoid about the same enactment
> timing scam again.
>
> I announce my intent to deputise as Assessor to resolve the Agoran
> decisions to adopt Proposals 8965, 8966, 8967, 8968, 8969 and 8970.
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 5:08 PM ais523 via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
> > On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> > > --
> > > H. ais523, Champion×17, M.N., D.N.Phil, Marvy Scamster
>
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:31 PM Forest Sweeney
wrote:
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 5:08 PM ais523 via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:57 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
>> > On 5/18/23 18:54, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
>> > > --
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 9:56 PM nix via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 5/18/23 21:41, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:
> > ID Author(s) AITitle
> >
> ---
> > 8980~ Ya
Here's an idea I had as a way to a) shake things up in a way that's
likely to lead to lots of interesting CFJs for the next few months (I
came up with it after reading the CFJ archives for cases that looked
interesting), and b) let us experiment with mechanisms for awarding
Radiance that don't need
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 23:09 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> The full text of each ADOPTED proposal is included below:
>
[snip]
>
> Grant each player that did not vote FOR this proposal 2 blots.
Whoever decided to propose this immediately before several new players
joined (with timin
On 5/19/23 00:00, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 23:09 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>> The full text of each ADOPTED proposal is included below:
>>
> [snip]
>> Grant each player that did not vote FOR this proposal 2 blots.
> Whoever decided to propose this
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 00:01 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
wrote:
> It doesn't do anything. It has insufficient power to create blots.
Ah right, AI 1 but it needs 1.7 (rule 2555). So I agree with you, false
alarm.
Assuming that the author didn't intentionally set the AI incorrectly,
thoug
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:55 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> I create and consent to each of the following rice plans:
>
> 1. As follows:
>
> * Rice Up: The empty set.
>
> * Rice Down: The empty set.
>
> 2. As follows:
>
> * Rice Up: The set of active pl
On 5/19/23 00:57, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:55 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> I create and consent to each of the following rice plans:
>>
>> 1. As follows:
>>
>> * Rice Up: The empty set.
>>
>> * Rice Down
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