DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6941 - 6942

2011-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: [Disclaimer: Â I think omd successfully caused eir dictatorship rule to extend the voting periods, in which case this is ineffective.] Voting results for Proposals 6941 - 6942: CoE on the voting results

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Oh, the regality!

2011-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 01:37, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 23:27, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I crown ais523. I crown Tanner L. Swett. Who is inactive, thus allowing the following to occur immediately. Then I crown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Assessor] Voting results for Proposal 6943

2010-12-26 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: CoE: ehird did not submit a valid ballot on the decision to adopt this proposal. Denied. E in fact submitted seventy billion of them. -scshunt I intend to deputise for the CotC to assign

Re: DIS: BUS: Protojudgements

2010-12-25 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: I'll likely judge CFJ 2939 FALSE. The clearest argument, to me, that the initiator of a CFJ cannot set its II to 100 is that the initiator of the CFJ has power 0, and thus cannot override rule 2153, which specifies legal values for interest indices. (Note that rule 2225 doesn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: more anachronism

2010-12-25 Thread Ed Murphy
Roujo wrote: I /did/ read it! I read every message since I joined. =P I read this, which I think is related: Arguments: On IRC, e agreed with Kelly that due to the Annabel Crisis, the actual ruleset is probably stuck in the past. But that doesn't make me understand why that crisis caused

Re: DIS: Proto: HalfLANG

2010-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Thu, 23 Dec 2010, Elliott Hird wrote: Amend Rule 2152 (Mother, May I?) by adding definitions for KINDA, SORTA, ALMOST and NOT QUITE. Don't forget HELL, YES: (Reposted from TheDailyWTF) Re: True and True 2010-06-23 11:41 • by Erasmus Darwin A Proposed Replacement for

DIS: Proto: HalfLANG

2010-12-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-proto: HalfLANG (co-author = Dan Curtis Johnson) Amend Rule 2152 (Mother, May I?) by adding definitions for KINDA, SORTA, ALMOST and NOT QUITE. Amend Rule 2196 (Standard Classes of Agoran Decisions) to add the vote values EH, WHOA, and WE. Amend Rule 591 (Inquiry Cases) to add the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Need More Time

2010-12-22 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:    Upon a win announcement that a rule allows one or more persons    to cause it by announcement to make arbitrary rule changes that    it is otherwise able to make, I don't think this works

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: dyld: ignoring all initializers in %s

2010-12-22 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 10-12-22 05:02 PM, omd wrote: Amend Rule 2140 (Power Controls Mutability) by adding the following item: (d) cause a rule change. This would break proposals of power less than 3. No it wouldn't, the amended R106's It may make rule changes would conflict with R2140

Re: DIS: thus CotC was it

2010-12-22 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: On 23 December 2010 04:07, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I think that CFJ was NttPF I don't think so... was it? :/ Yup. http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2010-December/033118.html

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2918a assigned to ais523, G., Murphy

2010-12-20 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2918a = Appeal 2918a (Interest Index = 0) == REMAND. Arguments: if this is to hold, please explain why/how it's reasonable to make

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ratification

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: CFJ, disqualifying omd: Â For the purpose of determining the effect of a rule change on an entity as regulated by Rule 1586, the documents defining an entity includes (at least) all rules purporting to define

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ratification

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: CFJ, disqualifying omd: Ā For the purpose of determining the effect of a rule change on an entity as regulated by Rule

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2924 assigned to scshunt

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 10-12-19 08:53 PM, ais523 wrote: Err, wasn't scshunt sitting? Also, I'm quoting the entire message as it seems to make no sense. err wait. yes I was. To clarify, scshunt was (I think) sitting when e was assigned to 2924 (due to previously assigning emself to the -1

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2924 assigned to scshunt

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 18:52 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: scshunt wrote: On 10-12-19 08:53 PM, ais523 wrote: Err, wasn't scshunt sitting? Also, I'm quoting the entire message as it seems to make no sense. err wait. yes I was. To clarify, scshunt was (I think) sitting when e

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2924 assigned to scshunt

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 18:52 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: scshunt wrote: On 10-12-19 08:53 PM, ais523 wrote: Err, wasn't scshunt sitting? Also, I'm quoting the entire message as it seems to make no sense. err wait. yes I was. To clarify, scshunt was (I think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ratification

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Â S = set of documents defining the entity (whatever that means) I'm arguing that they still define that entity is equivalent to S_b is non-empty and S_a is non-empty. Â For new entities

DIS: Unofficial order of succession

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
5 ais523 10 ehird 7 scshunt 5 Murphy 5 Yally 0 G. 3 Sgeo 2 Roujo 2 Taral 2 Tiger 2 Ienpw III 2 Keba 2 Flameshadowxeroshin 2 Tanner 2 (omd, Darth Cliche) in some order

DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: I CFJ (II=3) on { If A single appeal case (submitted to the CotC) had been assigned a panel of three players, none of whom is or was the Justiciar; and each of them opined for a different judgment within the time limit;

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Report

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 19:39 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Most recent emergency session - Dates: Wed 15 Dec 10 - Wed 5 Jan 11 Roll call: ais523, ehird, Flameshadowxeroshin, G., Murphy, omd, scshunt, Sgeo, Tanner L. Swett, Yally

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 10-12-19 11:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Arguments: Â an opinion can be reasonably interpreted as exactly one opinion, leading to a straightforward judgement of TRUE. It can't really

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 10-12-19 11:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Arguments: an opinion can be reasonably interpreted as exactly one opinion, leading to a straightforward judgement of TRUE. It can't really. This interpretation is generally unsupported: [snip] an is an existential qualifier. It makes

DIS: Proto: Little Dutch Boy

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Little Dutch Boy (AI = 3, II = 2, co-author = omd) Amend Rule 2186 (Victory) by replacing this text: a) For each Winning Condition satisfied by at least one of those persons, its cleanup procedure (if any) occurs. with this text: a) For each Winning

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ratification

2010-12-17 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:    If the documents defining an entity are amended such that they    still define that entity but with different properties, then    that entity and its properties continue to exist to whatever

Re: DIS: proto-contest: Aroga

2010-12-17 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: - Each Public Forum becomes a Discussion Forum, and vice versa. I suggesting using a separate set of fora, so that non-contestants can ignore it if they want. (Yes, they could subject-filter [Ar], but no such restriction would be placed on Aroga discussion sent to an Agora PF.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: golden parachute

2010-12-17 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Yally wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 22:04, omd c.ome...@gmail.com mailto:c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:   I intend, with Agoran Consent, to cause Rule 2324 to amend itself by   appending the following

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ratification

2010-12-16 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I would personally judge that this is an obvious attempt to get around a higher-leveled definition through the corruption of implicit parentheses and that R754 blocks it. Â -G. I could pretty easily say

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 6943

2010-12-16 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: The jurisprudence is that if the Promotor errs in describing a proposal e authored, e actually submits an alternate proposal and distributes it. This is no different. (not anymore, the rule was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6908 - 6913

2010-12-15 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: Can you make it Nice Job Breaking It Hero? It feels cut-off without it. I would, but Rule 2231.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ratification

2010-12-15 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: CFJ, disqualifying omd: Â For a rule which purports to allow a person to perform an action without objection, N (as defined by Rule 1728) is implicitly specified by that rule as 1. Arguments: The default

DIS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 6943

2010-12-15 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: I assume Promotor and distribute the following proposal: Proposal: My Rights (AI=3, II=1, Distributable via fee, Urgent, authored by scshunt, Ordinary, ID 6943) {{{ Enact a new Power-3 Rule: scshunt CAN perform by announcement any action that no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6908 - 6913

2010-12-14 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 10-12-14 09:07 PM, omd wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Award the Patent Title of Nice Job Breaking It to the players who were generally known as G. and scshunt when this proposal was first announced. Not a mistake on either

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: game understanding

2010-12-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 21:18, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! =) The specifics depend on the Nomic you're playing, but you can find a general how-to here: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/writing/nomic.htm#how to play Other than that, your best bet

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: game understanding

2010-12-13 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: (whether you could claim your deregister rather than continue to play right retroactively, which affected who was Speaker, which had various knock-on effects). Why would you be able to do that!? Okay

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6908 - 6913

2010-12-13 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Accepted. Â This message was sent (to a-o) on December 6, eir conditional was sent on December 1. Did this affect the results of any of the other proposals? I don't think so, the only votes that G

DIS: Re: BAK: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6908-6913

2010-12-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: Given Murphy's most recent judgement, I need to re CFJ this quickly before it self-ratifys (if that even works). I CFJ on the following sentence. scshunt did not have enough ergs to pay the above quoted fees. I bar scshunt. You didn't need to. An inquiry case remains a doubt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2909

2010-12-12 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 10-12-11 11:34 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: There's no possible gamestate where the document was true at the time it was published and I'm not a player, unless I deregistered since the publication. Since I can't initiate an appeal however, I'll just walk away from the game.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2918 assigned to omd

2010-12-12 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ==  Criminal Case 2918 (Interest Index = 0)  ===   scshunt violated Rule 2283, committing the Class-2 Crime of   Assaulting the Batteries, by publishing the above quoted  Â

DIS: Re: OFF: [Briefly Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6914-6927

2010-12-12 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: 6924 O 0 1.0 G. No condition ENDORSE the first person to vote AGAINST this Decision, AGAINST otherwise. 6925 O 0 1.0 G. Not pointless ENDORSE myself on 6924. This fails to cast any votes on 6925.

DIS: Unofficial succession

2010-12-12 Thread Ed Murphy
For my own reference, I believe the list of succession is currently as follows: 5 omd (Speaker) 10 Taral 7 Tiger 5 Ienpw III 5 Keba 0 ehird 3 Flameshadowxeroshin 2 ai523 2 scshunt 2 Yally 2 Sgeo 2 Tanner 2 G. 2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I deregister.

2010-12-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:37 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 17:32 -0500, omd wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:25 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Subject: Re: BUS: I deregister. CFJ: ais523 deregistered. (intentionally

DIS: Re: BUS: Speaking of which...

2010-12-06 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal Proposal: Remove a useless SHOULD (AI=3, II=0) Amend Rule 1728 by removing: The actor SHOULD publish a list of supporters if the action depends on support, and a list of objectors if it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Promotor Election and Nominations

2010-12-06 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, omd wrote: Thus, if Murphy submits a proposal to refactor such-and-such, usually I will just vote FOR it, assuming that it does indeed refactor something in a sensible way, True ancient history: Murphy used this reputation to slip something into a refactor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Restore the terrible choice

2010-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Nov 30, 2010, at 12:52 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal: Restore the terrible choice (disinterested, distributable by announcement) Terrible? It's a choice made by an officer called the Fearmongor.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Promotor Election and Nominations

2010-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 15:42 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:33 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: It would help if there was a meaningful reward for being an officer, but at the moment there isn't. Reduce free ergs? Ergs would still need

DIS: Evaluation of scshunt's votes on 6908-13

2010-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt's votes on 6908-13 evaluate as follows (based on Wooble's and omd's current votes). If Wooble's votes were effective (I'm currently assuming they were): 6908: N = 1*2 - 1*2 = 0 - PRESENT 6909: N = 1*2 - 3*2 = -4 - FOR x 4 (only 2 effective) 6910: N = 3*2 - 1*2 = 4 -

DIS: Re: BUS: ninja'd

2010-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 14:25, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I assume the office of IADoP. I assume the office of Herald. I assume the office of Registrar. I sit up. I flip my judicial rank to 3. I call for judgement on Wooble is the judge of CFJ 2908., and set

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fear cleanup

2010-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: What changes does this make? Clarifies which of the first two random selections is tied to which part of the duty, requires noting the titles of those rules, and rewords the is responsible for part. (And changes MUST NOT to SHALL NOT at the end, because it sounds more natural to

DIS: Unofficial list of succession

2010-11-25 Thread Ed Murphy
To the best of my knowledge, the list of succession currently looks like this: 5 G. Speaker 10 TaralKitchen Staff Supervisor 7 TigerChief Justice 5 Ienpw IIIGrand Vizier 5 Keba Head Gardener 0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I judge this TRUE

2010-11-22 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:55 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Oh, this judgement definitely failed, by the way-- it's almost exactly parallel to CFJ 1631. Not really; CFJ 1361 had a blank body so there was not obviously an action taking place, my message clearly was

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6877 - 6894

2010-11-21 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: *6882 O0 1.0 G. Other documents *6883 O1 1.0 omd Read Requirement I swear I read a message asking the Assessor to resolve these in reverse order (to allow them both to take effect), but I can't find it. If such a message was sent, I'd like to transfer a

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2895 remanded to Wooble by Yally, Murphy

2010-11-21 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: [Disclaimer: this assumes that Wooble's recent purported deregistration was ineffective.] Actually, the time limit on panel opinions ran out before the purported deregistration.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2897 judged (TRUE? FALSE?) by ais523; Murphy, scshunt, Yally move to reconsider

2010-11-21 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 10-11-21 10:50 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: History: Called by scshunt: 09 Nov 2010 01:24:37 GMT Assigned to ais523: 15 Nov 2010 00:17:03 GMT Judged TRUE by ais523: 20 Nov 2010 22:25:03 GMT Assigned to ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2010-11-20 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: On 10-11-15 01:28 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Hmm. There's almost no point in initiating a criminal CFJ, because clearly Wooble is innocent on account of not being reasonably aware. Thus, I CFJ on the following sentence. The Registrar's most recent report should have included

Re: DIS: 6877-94 unofficial quantum report so far

2010-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Here's some temporary tracking info related to Proposals 6877-94. Rests pre-Rebellion: 14 Tanner L. Swett 1 Wooble 6 Keba Base voting limits if ehird was not a Rebel (CFJ 2897), thus the Rebellion

DIS: 6877-94 unofficial quantum report so far

2010-11-15 Thread Ed Murphy
Here's some temporary tracking info related to Proposals 6877-94. Rests pre-Rebellion: 14 Tanner L. Swett 1 Wooble 6 Keba Base voting limits if ehird was not a Rebel (CFJ 2897), thus the Rebellion failed: 5 Murphy 10 G. 7 scshunt 5 ais523 (but see below) 5 Yally (but see

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6877-6894

2010-11-15 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: Hillary Rodham Clinton has called a CFJ No e hasn't: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/list.php?caller=Hillary+Rodham+Clinton but I think CFJ 2180 was attributed to em for a while. CFJ 2003 is relevant.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2010-11-15 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: It would also promote the first rebel (omd) such that Yally would have promoted emself to Grand Vizier for a cost of 5 ergs, and eir rubbberstamps/vetos would have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ienpew III

2010-11-15 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, without objection, to make Ienpew III inactive. I object. NttPF

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6877-6894

2010-11-15 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I transfer a prop from Ienpew III (for not doing much of anything, really) to Yally (for finally using these powers in an unabashed

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2895 assigned to Wooble

2010-11-15 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: The submitter of a proposal SHALL set its interest index to 0 if and only if the proposal's effects are limited to correcting errors and/or ambiguities, or if e is required by another rule to submit a disinterested proposal. Should be ...or if e is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6863-6869

2010-11-08 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2010-11-07 at 16:57 -0500, Sean Hunt wrote: TtTTPF with a bottom-post Is this a plausible synonym for TTttPF? The capitalisation there makes no sense. The message itself was ttPF, and I can't think of any other reasonable interpretation, so I say yes.

DIS: Re: BUS: Self-ratification bug

2010-11-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Bucky wrote: It appears that omd's judgment on CfJ 2878 has self-ratified. Rule 2201 (Self-ratification) does not consider an appeal to be a challenge to a judicial declaration. (The CfJ itself is 'suspended', but that isn't relevent) Also, note that the definition of tortoise

DIS: Re: BUS: Non-coup

2010-11-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I believe omd's announcement of shelling the palace had no effect, as e was no longer Crown Prince at the time due to my becoming Speaker a few days earlier. omd then moved the player above em (Yally) down

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6870-6876

2010-11-07 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 10-10-31 01:34 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: This distribution of proposals 6870-6876 initiates the Agoran Decisions on whether to adopt them. The eligible voters are the active players at the time of this distribution, and the vote collector is the Assessor. The valid options

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2891 assigned to coppro

2010-11-07 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 10-11-07 10:00 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2891 == Criminal Case 2891 (Interest Index = 0) === Warrigal violated committed the Class-2 Crime of Restricted Behavior by violating rule 2125

DIS: I'm not dead!

2010-11-05 Thread Ed Murphy
The Big Work Project has eased off. Expect CotC catchup over the weekend, and hopefully Assessor as well (H. Herald Wooble, can I please get an updated history of the List of Succession?).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Loophole found

2010-11-05 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I announce my intent I announce my object I announce my subject Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6863-6869

2010-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: NUM  C I AI  SUBMITTER      TITLE 6863 O 1 2.0 coppro        Be Exact AGAINST 6864 O 1 3.0 coppro        Urgency simplified FOR 6865 O 1 2.0 G.       Â

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2890 assigned to coppro

2010-10-18 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: === CFJ 2890 (Interest Index = 0) It is generally POSSIBLE for me to make a proposal Undistributable for a fee.

DIS: Re: BUS: back to work then

2010-10-17 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: I sit up. You were standing, so by CFJ 2607 this is ineffective. I make myself Supreme (if I'm not already). You were already.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2884 assigned to coppro

2010-10-17 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: I set the II of this case to 1, judge it TRUE, and create a capacitor in my possession for the judgment. NttPF

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [CotC] CFJ 2888 assigned to Tanner L. Swett

2010-10-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Tanner L. Swett wrote: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: === Â CFJ 2888 (Interest Index = 0) Â Judge: Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Tanner L. Swett CoE, accepted: Â this was ineffective, Tanner

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2890 assigned to coppro

2010-10-17 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: === CFJ 2890 (Interest Index = 0) TRUE. Not being permitted to perform something is different than being NttPF

DIS: Re: BUS: Fees

2010-10-17 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: I vote FOR the Decisions to adopt proposals 6858, 6861 and 6862 and AGAINST the Decisions to adopt any other proposals that I can vote on. These were ineffective, you still have 21 Rests.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6858-6892

2010-10-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: 6858 O 1 1.0 G. The Robot 6859 O 1 2.0 ais523 Distributed Proposal 6830 6860 O 2 2.0 KebaA Perpetuum mobile is possible 6861 O 1 1.0 omd Make anarchy more interesting 6862 O 0 1.0 Wooble Refugitivize

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2886 assigned to G.

2010-10-17 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: G. wrote: Therefore, in light of this complete silence, I use the powers granted me by R217, and state that it is (a) for the good of the game; (b) in keeping with game custom; and (c) in keeping with the primacy of R754(2) definitional

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2010-10-14 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: The Promotor CAN distribute an Urgent Proposal as soon as possible, unless it ceases to be Urgent in the mean time. Failure to do so is the Class 1 Crime of Lack of Urgency. The Promotor CAN distribute an Urgent Proposal, and SHALL do so as soon as possible

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: List fixes

2010-10-14 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 10/11/2010 12:34 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: - A player CAN move an indicated player an indicated number of positions P on the list in an indicated direction (up or down) for a charge equal to the sum of the Influence Levels of all the positions

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resetting and empowering myself

2010-10-09 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Alternatively, they could have been given chaotic numbers like 1401 through 1401, so that the orderly numbers would still roughly reflect the number of distinct statements. That's roughly what you

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report

2010-10-09 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: title: Erratification ai: 1.0 interest: 1 proposer: omd submit_date: 2010-09-19 submit_mid: aanlkti=uoeruenrio7hcd8fvtxpjrajfvstz1kphn...@mail.gmail.com distributability: undistributable Ratify the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resetting and empowering myself

2010-10-08 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: I resign from all offices and become supine. I describe my becoming supine just now as earning me 2*3^35,000 farads; for this action, I award myself 3^35,000 ergs. I pay fees to destroy all my rests, then pay

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resetting and empowering myself

2010-10-08 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Actually, they all fail, by the precedent of CFJ 1774. Counterargument: Â the disparity of effort between Tanner announcing I perform asset-related action $BIGNUM times and the relevant officer recording

DIS: Re: BUS: Snorkelling only possible on Fridays, but a languishing endeavour mocks; news at 13.

2010-10-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7 October 2010 13:46, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: If I'm not active, I become active. I intend, with 1 support, and conditional on this condition not being met, to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Notary] Ribbon Report

2010-10-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:57 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: CoE: The office of Notary does not exist, thus the document in question is not a Notary's report. (CoE because it appears to purport to be an asset report.) I'm not sure how to respond to this, because

DIS: Re: BUS: Snorkelling only possible on Fridays, but a languishing endeavour mocks; news at 13.

2010-10-07 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: the truth of the condition, the only conclusion is that it's undecidable whether or not alise managed to become inactive; unlike, say, registration where there's a requirement to be reasonably unambiguous, Who's alise?

DIS: Re: BUS: I can't vote, but...

2010-10-07 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 15:12, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I raise Taral's position on the list by 1, for a fee. I lower Wooble's

DIS: Re: BUS: Hmm...

2010-10-07 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: I rebel! yaaar! What does rebellion do again? Rule 2270, summary: when a player begins a coup: a) The initiator is a rebel, the Speaker isn't, everyone else has four days to become one (non-retractable) b) The more rebels, the more likely the rebellion is to succeed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Letter Of The Rules League Table

2010-10-04 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: No they aren't, the report is as of the last PSM's report which pre-dated omd's attempts. E's still required to publish an up-to-date list of Allegiances, just not Fan holdings. Well, the message is still

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Letter Of The Rules League Table

2010-10-03 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 10/03/2010 06:44 PM, Alex Smith wrote: [Note, this report is a week (almost two weeks) out of date due to the lack of a recent PSM's report, and thus is basically useless. I doubt I have time to figure out what the PSM's report should have said before the end of the week,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oops?

2010-09-30 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 09/30/2010 07:28 AM, Alex Smith wrote: I CFJ on the statement At some time in the past, Keba was the Speaker, barring Wooble. Arguments: Rule 2315 only allows initialisation the List of Succession as soon as possible after this proposal takes effect; unfortunately, rule

DIS: Re: BUS: Caring about it

2010-09-28 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, omd wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, without objection from 2 members of Imperial and without objection from 2 members of Team 4, to move Tiger to Team 4. For each team T, for each team U other than

Re: DIS: Pariah protos

2010-09-26 Thread Ed Murphy
On another note, making the Rests come back at the end of the week rather than instantly leaves a window for a Rest-destroying scam to get down to 0 before the Rests are recreated. This doesn't help toward Cleanliness, which requires you stay at 0 for a whole week. It could help toward Win by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No Voting Limit Timing Scams

2010-09-24 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: It's already meaningless. Voting limits are locked at the end of the voting period. Not for ordinary decisions (the only ones where voting limits routinely change). Rule 2156, excerpt: The voting limit of a player on

DIS: Re: BUS: Last-minute proposals

2010-09-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Tanner L. Swett wrote: I submit a proposal, titled Spelling reform begins with Agora, with AI = 1.0 and II = 1, and make it distributable by fee: {In all rules, replace all instances of the string judge (and the string judg where it is not followed by an e) with the string juj.} Would

DIS: Pariah protos

2010-09-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: All pariahs are equally dirty Amend Rule 2312 (The Pariah) by replacing this text: that player is awarded 23 Rests. with this text: if e has a number of Rests (R) less than 23, then e gains 23-R Rests. Proto-Proposal: Clarify re-dirtying Amend Rule 2312

Re: DIS: Pariah protos

2010-09-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: At the end of each week, if the number of Rests (R) in the current Pariah's possession that were destroyed during that week [and while e was Pariah] [and since e most recently became Pariah

DIS: Re: BUS: auto-remand

2010-09-21 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: [most appeals cases end up remanded, the first time at least] Proto: auto-remand Create the following rule: Remand for Clarification If a judicial case: 1) has a judgement, that has been in effect for less than seven days, that has not been appealed; and

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2859a assigned to Taral, Wooble, omd

2010-09-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: REMAND. Hm, this doesn't work. Yes it does, I noticed this problem a while back and got this added to Rule 911: If prejudice is not explicitly specified, then an

DIS: Proto: Clean up eligibility and limits

2010-09-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Clean up eligibility and limits (AI = 3, II = 1, please) Amend Rule 683 (Voting on Agoran Decisions) by prepending this text: Except as specified by other rules with Power at least 2: (1) The eligible voters on an Agoran decision are the active players.

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