DIS: Re: BUS: Terms

2009-06-11 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote:      Any player CAN, by announcement, initiate an election for a      specified elected office for which no election has been      initiated in the preceding 90 days.  Any player CAN, with      4 Supporters, initiate an

Re: DIS: The Game

2009-06-09 Thread comex
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I thought it was a nomic. The country might be a nomic and it is a nomic and it is a nomic. CFJ 1879

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2545a assigned to Tiger, Taral, allispaul

2009-06-07 Thread comex
Intentional. On 6/7/09, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: How ironic! On 2009-06-07, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/7/09, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Paul VanKoughnettallisp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2548 assigned to ehird

2009-06-06 Thread comex
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/6 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2548 ==  CFJ 2548  ==    Proposal 6335 had the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We need a live bank again.

2009-06-04 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: comex wrote: If this is correct: Player         0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   X WRV Pavitra        1   7   0   2   2   2   2   1   3  13   4   1 then you deposited crops as follows: total: 728 zm WRVs aren't

DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] Motion to Amend

2009-06-04 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Also AGAINST. There must be a better way than invalidating the transaction completely. Maybe a general rule for disambiguating? Well... if you're depositing so many assets (and getting such a low multiplier)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] Motion to Amend

2009-06-04 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/4 comex com...@gmail.com: While everyone else mounts a run on the bank in panic. If you are trying to improve on the perceived flaws of the PBA I'm surprised that you're relying on any human behavior

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/4 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: It responded to me within 2 seconds (but then it's less than 50 feet away from me so YMMV). D'you think that might have something to do with being on your network?

DIS: Re: BUS: We need a live bank again.

2009-06-03 Thread comex
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I join the IBA, deposit all my crops in it, and request subsidy. Sorry, but this fails as the order is unspecified.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-03 Thread comex
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: All this is far more complicated than it's worth. { Amend rule 1742 (Contracts) by appending the paragraph:      A person CAN on behalf of another as authorized by a public      contract to which the person

DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] Motion to Amend

2009-06-03 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:28 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate a Motion to Amend, specifying the following amendment (in diff format).  The eligible voters are the parties to the IBA, the options

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] Motion to Amend

2009-06-03 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: c-walker wrote: No, you're right. I thought I had joined. I join the IBA. -- C-walker, who clearly intends this message to be public. NttPF (and there's Agoran precedent that your .sig doesn't work, as one cannot

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We need a live bank again.

2009-06-03 Thread comex
Actions in Agora are generally ordered; unordered actions are accepted only when they cause no ambiguity because the order is unimportant to the rules. Assets are rule-defined entities and allowing the unordered transfers (before the amendment I proposed, which specifies a default order,

DIS: Re: BUS: We need a live bank again.

2009-06-03 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: To reduce long-term ambiguity, I deposit all my crops in the IBA in the order that maximizes the net amount of zm thereby gained. If this is correct: Player 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X

DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-02 Thread comex
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote:  3. Immediately after an Agoran Decision is initiated, the Conservative Party acts on behalf of each of its parties to cause that party to vote on that decision with the option selected being party stance on

DIS: Re: BUS: Multiplayer Life site open

2009-06-01 Thread comex
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: All, I've put together a basic multiplayer Game of Life program online:  http://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/life/ This was running rather slowly for me, so I modified it a bit to use an HTML canvas:

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [IADoP] Periodic Election (CotC)

2009-06-01 Thread comex
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 10:49 -0400, Quazie wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: I nominate Murphy as Clerk of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Multiplayer Life site open

2009-06-01 Thread comex
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/1 comex com...@gmail.com: http://qoid.us/life.html Nice; combine with my suggestion? I don't understand your suggestion; the original is already doing this: function run() { if (stop==false

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2541-42 assigned to Rodlen

2009-05-30 Thread comex
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Rodlen wrote: I judge CFJ 2541 FALSE and CFJ 2542 TRUE.  In the first case, Quazie attempted to announce that the rule repealed itself without causing it to repeal itself.  In the second case, e did cause it to repeal itself.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: intent to deputise

2009-05-30 Thread comex
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: at OscarMeyr became Speaker on 20 May 2009. Canada is a player, and an active one at that. It is a person; I'm not aware of it ever becoming

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Contract Switch Report

2009-05-30 Thread comex
, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I agree to the IBA. I flip the IBA's Disclosure to Public; its text is listed above; its parties are myself, comex, and BobTHJ. I flip the IBA's Sentiment to Legalistic.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6302 - 6323

2009-05-29 Thread comex
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: It does, but 2240 only applies to self-contradictory chains of precedence/deference clauses within a rule.  If a rule simply reads X, but notwithstanding that, Y, then 2240 does not apply, and common sense says that Y

Re: DIS: Proto-contest: Life

2009-05-29 Thread comex
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: We played this a couple years ago and it was fun.  Anyone interested enough for me to do a more complete contest description (tighten the Agoran-legal language of the below and fiddle to find good values for M,P,T,

Re: DIS: Proto-contest: Life

2009-05-29 Thread comex
I recommend just using HTML/Javascript, there's nothing here that really requires an applet. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2009, Quazie wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Benjamin Caplan I suggest: M=64 P=8

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report

2009-05-28 Thread comex
Not to mention that an equivalent proprosal would probably limit it to 1-2 weeks. Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6324-6338

2009-05-28 Thread comex
are the active first-class players, and the vote collector is the Assessor. The valid options on each decision are FOR, AGAINST, and PRESENT. NUM  C I AI  SUBMITTER           TITLE 6324 O 1 1.0 comex               Just my Opinion 6325 D 1 3.0 coppro              Fix Promotion Mistakes 6326 D 1 2.0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving

2009-05-27 Thread comex
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ehird wrote: 2009/5/27 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Would someone please explain Min. to Win? Â I'm sure I could work it out, but I have enough other things on my plate as it is. Minimum points to win? PROTIP:  

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving

2009-05-27 Thread comex
It's minimum to win, not most likely point gain before win.. Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 11:43 -0400, comex wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ehird wrote: 2009/5

DIS: Re: BUS: Fresh Nomic has apparently died

2009-05-27 Thread comex
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: (and they were kind enough to announce it in a discussion forum...) I intend, without objection, to flip the recognition of Fresh Nomic to

DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion

2009-05-26 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. What Rule says you can act on behalf of HP2 to register emself with Agoran consent?

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323

2009-05-26 Thread comex
Gratuitous: does the message contain a plain-text version without artifacts? (I can't check...) If so, it's absurd to punish Yally for including a monospaced HTML version. In Gmail and on iPhone, a plaintext version would be displayed in variable width font (and it can't be toggled on

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323

2009-05-26 Thread comex
It's as much a standard as the aforementioned email headers. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323

2009-05-26 Thread comex
F F F F F A2A F F BobTHJF P A P P F P F F P comex A F A A A F A A A F copproF F P P F F F5A A A c-walker F P F F F

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs

2009-05-26 Thread comex
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Err, if proposals can't change the rules, and ratification can't change the rules, what can? Does AIAN kick in? If the new paragraph in R106 no longer grants permission, then I suppose Rule 1698 (Agora Is a Nomic) prevented

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion

2009-05-26 Thread comex
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: On May 25, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. What Rule says you can act on behalf of HP2 to register emself with Agoran

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs

2009-05-26 Thread comex
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Err, if proposals can't change the rules, and ratification can't change the rules, what can? Does AIAN kick in? Rule 106 later says the proposal ... takes effect. But does that count as permission to make Rule Changes?

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480 remanded to Taral by Wooble (AFFIRM), Rodlen (AFFIRM but NttPF), Tiger

2009-05-26 Thread comex
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Alex Smith wrote: We really really need legislation in the area of act-on-behalf... Proto-proto:  A claim to act on behalf of another person constitutes a self-ratifying claim that it is authorized by contract. I'm not

Re: DIS: Duties not on time

2009-05-26 Thread comex
Oh... I didn't notice. Something must be wrong with the cronjob, which I'll fix ASAP. The online ruleset is up to date. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I friendly remind the Rulekeepor that the SLR has not been published

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323

2009-05-26 Thread comex
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: I support.  I want a precedent in favor of dual-format messages for previously stated reasons.  (Considering that the text/plain was first, is there any mail client where

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323

2009-05-26 Thread comex
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: the rest of the report follows.  Only after the plain-text version (and 3 lines of multipart header at the top) is the HTML version. Rule 2143 requires that reports

DIS: Re: BUS: Comex Is Trying To Stop This Happening

2009-05-26 Thread comex
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I deregister Bayes. I pledge not to make any agreements with ehird in the future. I

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report

2009-05-25 Thread comex
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:44 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: This was sent two hours after Goethe's judgement that a certain other proposal existed in the pool.  Accordingly, NoV: Wooble violated R2202 and committed the Class-8

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report

2009-05-25 Thread comex
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: Arguments in my defense: While ais523 was able to find one proposal that was in the pool that was not in the published report, simply adding that proposal to the report would not have guaranteed the accuracy of the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report

2009-05-25 Thread comex
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Gratuitous:  As judge didn't notice the ratification attempt; if I had noticed it I would have delayed the judgement to avoid the issue. Since the judgement found that, to the best of available evidence, there had been

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report

2009-05-25 Thread comex
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:57 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: E could avoid breaching the rules by making a proposal to remove stale proposals from the pool. And since I don't know what they all are, someone would

DIS: Some stats

2009-05-23 Thread comex
91 119.2 comex165 119.5 Peekee 14 124.7 Sherlock 10 136.7 root 198 137.8 Iammars 16 153.6 Crito22 158.2 lee 10 171.9 Michael

Re: DIS: Some stats

2009-05-23 Thread comex
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:59 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: authored proposals: count More stats: (these from the Assessor DB, so only proposals since ~5822 count) authored proposals (passed): count who num - OscarMeyr 1 none 1 cdm014 1 avpx2 ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2507-2510

2009-05-22 Thread comex
N.B. the ruleset has been ratified, but I'm not sure we haven't missed knock-on effects to the gamestate. I think we still need a R1482 never contained that text ratification. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: These are only of academic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2535 assigned to ais523

2009-05-22 Thread comex
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: [T]he ratified document was completely true and accurate _at the time it was published_. The gamestate is modified so that. Effects are limited to modifying the gamestate in some way.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Forming the IBA

2009-05-21 Thread comex
That's recorded in the above history, as well as my later retraction (in response to the AAA motion that would make it unnecessary). Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: comex wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 7:58 AM, comex com...@gmail.com

DIS: Re: BUS: Forming the IBA

2009-05-21 Thread comex
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 07:52, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I act on behalf of the IBA to intend, with Agoran Consent, to register. I

DIS: Re: BUS: MwoPs should not incur obligations

2009-05-20 Thread comex
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Justiciar has no duty (AI=2) Aw, I was expecting something much more interesting. Proto: Rests CANNOT be created in a Minister Without Portfolio's possession, rules to the contrary notwithstanding.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [AAA] Agriculture Report

2009-05-19 Thread comex
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: SoA please note that the random crops should be awarded prior to later expenditures. This doesn't work: you can't spend assets you don't yet have.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480a assigned to Wooble, Rodlen, Tiger

2009-05-18 Thread comex
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Also, I will quite likely attempt to start NoVs for every occasion on which anyone's ever breached a rule (since the time limit) whilst believing themselves not to be breaching the rule at the time. The precedent you're

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480a assigned to Wooble, Rodlen, Tiger

2009-05-18 Thread comex
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Also, the claimed action (sending false information to a Public Forum) /is/ illegal; it just didn't happen. What you're affirming is not what Taral judged; please at least give an error rating if you agree with the verdict

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480a assigned to Wooble, Rodlen, Tiger

2009-05-18 Thread comex
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I opine AFFIRM.  The incorrect information in the NoVs was the assertion that each of the named players claimed that there are five lights. Judge Taral stated that the incorrect information in the NoVs was part (b), which

DIS: Re: BUS: About those NoVs

2009-05-18 Thread comex
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 15:46 +0100, Alex Smith wrote:   1) For each active player not a party to this contract, ais523      publishes a Notice of Violation accusing that player of      violating the Power=1 Rule 2215

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Nearly a no-op

2009-05-18 Thread comex
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: comex wrote: WHEREAS Rule 101 i., as far as I can tell, has no effect whatsoever;                 ii., the right to a judicial process, can be                      satisfied trivially (BUS: Formality; 2/17/09

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Herald] ais523's Degree

2009-05-18 Thread comex
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: The available options for this Decision are A.N., B.N., M.N., D.N.Hist., D.N.Sci., D.N.Phil., and FAILING GRADE. WTB ranked votes. That's the purpose of the high

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the IADoP Election

2009-05-17 Thread comex
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I resolve the Agoran decision to decide the holder of the IADoP office. CoE: this resolution is INVALID as there are two or more valid

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6302-6323

2009-05-16 Thread comex
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: comex wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: comex wrote: 6310 D 1 2.0 coppro              Maple Leaf Dominance AGAINST, grammatically incorrect (it's vs its) and despite the AI it would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the Registrar Election

2009-05-15 Thread comex
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: While I'm all for a re-election, I don't think that failure to report or perhaps notice a conditional circularity (when lack of circularity

Re: DIS: Proto: Just my opinion

2009-05-14 Thread comex
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: I feel like distributions are currently really hard to parse as it is when there are tons of proposals, this proto would potentially increase the length of distributions N fold, where N is the number of players.  Its

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500a assigned to Quazie, Tiger, ais523

2009-05-13 Thread comex
by Arnold Bros (est. 1905): 05 May 2009 18:22:25 GMT Appealed by comex: 05 May 2009 18:33:14 GMT Appealed by Goethe: 05 May 2009 18:43:05 GMT Appealed by Murphy: 05 May 2009 18:52:21 GMT Appealed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Forming the IBA

2009-05-13 Thread comex
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: If a player votes KILL on a Motion, eir vote is counted as a vote AGAINST that Motion. Additionally, if the Motion passes, then: a) If that player has no pending Offers, then e ceases to become a party to the contract at the same

DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Ruling Earth: Part 1 of 2

2009-05-12 Thread comex
I suggest H. Michael Norrish. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Nathan Maron n_ma...@hotmail.com Date: May 12, 2009 7:37:41 AM EDT To: aeri...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [aerican] Ruling Earth: Part 1 of 2 Reply-To: aeri...@yahoogroups.com I'd like to thank everyone who

Re: DIS: The insulator validating NoVs

2009-05-12 Thread comex
It's in eir report. Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: According to the rules, the Insulator SHALL announce whether an NoV is valid or not. Does e do this? I don't think I've seen em do it. -- -Tiger

DIS: Re: BUS: Caste / AAA pledge

2009-05-11 Thread comex
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 13:19, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with ehird's consent, to cause Bayes to become active, I intend, with ehird's consent

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement

2009-05-11 Thread comex
; otherwise, I do it in reverse order. * Either I send 2 zm to the AFO and AFO sends 1 zm to Quazie, or I send 1 zm to the AFO and 1 to Quazie. - PSocliriitbiecian comex

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm back

2009-05-10 Thread comex
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote:  I vote PRESENCE on every Agoran Decision currently in its voting period. This fails; you can't vote PRESENT for elections. yet.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Super-Emergency Distribution 6275

2009-05-08 Thread comex
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: 6273  Quick-and-dirty-fix                        D  3.0  3   coppro Are we *sure* this one's right? No, it's wrong. coppro distributed it by mistake.

DIS: Re: OFF: Real Fix Distribution 6274

2009-05-08 Thread comex
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: NUM   TITLE                                      T  AI   II  AUTHOR 6274  Quick-and-dirty-fix 3                      D  3.0  1   coppro I nominate Wooble for promotor. If you're going to make emergency distributions, at least

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deeper precedence problem

2009-05-07 Thread comex
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: H. Rulekeepor comex, could you please publish to a-d, or link to a website containing, the ruleset as of the adoption of R1482/2? If we're going to have a Massive Gamestate Recalculation, we may as well have a good starting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deeper precedence problem

2009-05-07 Thread comex
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: Note: if this problem really exists in Agora, it exists in Suber's initial ruleset too. To elucidate the situation: in Suber's ruleset, as well as in Agora, there is a situation where, if irrelevant changes were

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deeper precedence problem

2009-05-07 Thread comex
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: There are two competing senses of stipulate to choose from: Wooble's, by which no rule currently stipulates anything, and the crisis-causing one, by which lots of proposals probably had no effect and the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deeper precedence problem

2009-05-07 Thread comex
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I think the least breaky interpretation is that all those proposals did in fact go through, but that R1482 selectively limits the meanings that the rule texts can take on. That is, when a rule created after the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deeper precedence problem

2009-05-07 Thread comex
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Gratuitous reply: I see what you're saying, and that this is generally what R1482 intends, but I have a hard time saying that a claim This rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deeper precedence problem

2009-05-07 Thread comex
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: While you work on that, here's a list of reports we'll need ratified to reset the game state: Nope. As I said, while ugly, simply ratifying that the offending proposal never took effect will reset the gamestate just fine and

DIS: Fwd: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am

2009-05-07 Thread comex
If we're going to invade, the next 22.5 hours would certainly be well suited for the purpose. -- Forwarded message -- From: aeri...@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:03 AM Subject: [aerican] Aerica Day, 5/8/2009, 12:00 am To: aeri...@yahoogroups.com Reminder from:  

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deeper precedence problem

2009-05-07 Thread comex
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:23 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: Another option is that, in order to interpret the Rules at any particular instant, we should use the guidelines specified in the /last/ instant.  Thus

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2436 assigned to Rodlen

2009-05-06 Thread comex
On May 6, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: Weakening the connection between Comex and the PNP should help the PNP's reputation. With thanks to ais523, I would like to suggest the following judgment: Until May 28, 2009, it is ILLEGAL for Comex to join the PNP. How

DIS: Re: BUS: A couple more CfJs

2009-05-06 Thread comex
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: I CfJ on the following statement: CFJ :p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A couple more CfJs

2009-05-06 Thread comex
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 15:19 -0400, comex wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: I CfJ on the following statement: CFJ :p Hey, I often write it with a lowercase f. I agree that the capital

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: More invasion thoughts

2009-05-06 Thread comex
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 21:31 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: Shouldn't that be Officor for homeland Security or something? No, because an Officer isn't someone who offices. Schroedingor?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Office Report

2009-05-06 Thread comex
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm... I CFJ on the following sentence. If a member of an entity's basis nominates that entity for an election, then that entity has been self-nominated. Good call, never though of that. Gratuitous: Most partnerships don't

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: More invasion thoughts

2009-05-06 Thread comex
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: Does that rule have a title, because it looks like the title you gave is for the proposal. Also, I think this is just a phase. I've been fantasizing about a war between Agora and the Aerican Empire for some reason. Unfortunately,

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: More invasion thoughts

2009-05-06 Thread comex
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I think this is just a phase. I've been fantasizing about a war between Agora and the Aerican Empire for some reason. Unfortunately, they claim to be a pacifist empire. What if Agora attacked them? How?

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2495 assigned to Tiger

2009-05-05 Thread comex
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I intend, with 2 support, to appeal this.  On-time is arguably meaningless outside the context of the player required to publish the judgement.  (The CotC's X judged Y by Z messages to a-o are not part of eir duties,

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Scorekeepor] Medals

2009-05-04 Thread comex
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: It would be a different issue if root were Insulator, I imagine; in that case it might have been ambiguous whether root or the LFD got the resulting Rest. I don't believe the Insulator is allowed to create rests in the LFD's

DIS: Re: BUS: Just CfJing something involving janitors

2009-05-04 Thread comex
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: I CfJ on the following statement: A proposal that fixes an obvious grammatical error that completely changes the meaning of a rule counts as modifying a substantive aspect of the meaning of the rule. Just for clarity.

DIS: Re: BUS: Generalize win storage

2009-05-04 Thread comex
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the proposal Privilege of the Champion, AI=2 II=2: How about we just add an incentive for existing MwoPs to win-- reset them to the beginning of the MwoP rotation-- and call it a day?

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Scorekeepor] Medals

2009-05-04 Thread comex
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Recordkeepors can create assets arbitrarily, but not choose who gets them. (I suspect this is a really old holdover from the old asset rules.) As a result, they're unowned assets and the LFD gets them. Only assets whose

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Research

2009-05-04 Thread comex
to the history of the rule in the FLR: Amended(14) by Proposal 5683 (Wooble), 8 September 2008 Amended(15) by SLR ratification (comex), 24 September 2008 i.e. the proposal was first amended by the missed proposal 5683, and then amended back to the previous wording by ratification.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Herald Must Announce a Change in Speaker

2009-05-03 Thread comex
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:      As soon as possible after the Speaker changes, the Herald SHALL Suggest identity of the Speaker changes. I hereby announce that the Speaker has changed into blue jeans and a sharp-looking tan polo shirt. CoE: I have

DIS: Re: BUS: [DM] (i)nventory

2009-05-03 Thread comex
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I revoke 3 x-points from comex. I revoke 2 x-points from Quazie. FISH KEYBOARD = hallucination. I revoke 3 y-points from comex. I revoke 2 y-points from Tiger. EMAG EHT NIW UOY = concentration. I award 1 y-point to Tiger

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2477 assigned to ais523

2009-05-02 Thread comex
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 17:43 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ==  CFJ 2477  ==     coppro has won the game at least once.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Herald Must Announce a Change in Speaker

2009-05-02 Thread comex
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Amend Rule 402 (Identity of the Speaker) by adding the following to the end of the first paragraph:      As soon as possible after the Speaker changes, the Herald SHALL Suggest identity of the Speaker changes.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2009-05-02 Thread comex
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:52 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: I CFJ on the statement: * It is ILLEGAL to grant certain powers (in the ordinary-language sense) and privileges to Agora's ambassador if one is not a nomic. Clever

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-02 Thread comex
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: It's possible to publish an NoV by sending it to a public forum, no matter what lower-power rules think on the matter. Rules 101 and 478, both power-3, give us the right of participation in the fora. And publishing

DIS: Re: BUS: Recordkeepors' destruction power considered harmful

2009-05-02 Thread comex
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I destroy all of the Ribbons in the possession of Murphy, ais523, coppro, and comex. Fails: these assets are not owned by the Lost and Found Department.

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