DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ Re my win (no, I'm not assigning it to myself)

2017-09-27 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 27, 2017 9:18 AM, "VJ Rada" wrote: Third: Is Aris's attempt to object sufficient? E simply stated "I object to all the intents in the below message" or similar. Under our precedents, which ban somebody from taking an unreasonable number of actions in shorthand where copying and pasting wou

Re: DIS: proto: more trust

2017-09-27 Thread grok (caleb vines)
they give them to em. It would be trivial to get 50 from em and win the game on the spot. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:14 AM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > { > Excessive Trust > AI = 1 > Authors: grok > > Amend Rule 2452 "Trust Tokens" to include the following text immediate

DIS: proto: more trust

2017-09-27 Thread grok (caleb vines)
{ Excessive Trust AI = 1 Authors: grok Amend Rule 2452 "Trust Tokens" to include the following text immediately after the final paragraph: "A person can win the game by announcement if e has been issued fifty Trust Tokens by another individual player; if no person has won via this mechanism in th

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

2017-09-26 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 26, 2017 9:42 PM, "Owen Jacobson" wrote: I hereby issue em a Pink Slip by summary judgement. Pretty amusing implications given that there's an election going on. -grok

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating election for the Assessor and Herald

2017-09-26 Thread grok (caleb vines)
NttPF On Sep 26, 2017 9:06 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: I vote (myself, Publius) for Herald (would like to run Karma). I vote (Publius, players who vote for themselves first in order of vote) for Assessor. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Elections: Correctly this time!

2017-09-21 Thread grok (caleb vines)
st so probably wasn't too >> keen on the position, and as PSS's reports have generally been timely I'd >> prefer someone who proves themselves willing. The various CoEs that go by >> on all the reports blur together and I don't notice a pattern unless I'm >>

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Elections: Correctly this time!

2017-09-21 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:45 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Registrar > This result has changed. Nichdel had three first-preference votes, but > PSS had six and remains registrar. This resolver disagrees with the > result. Anyway. Either people forgot that PSS attempted to deregister me by ratific

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Attempt to resolve ambiguity

2017-09-14 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 14, 2017 9:45 PM, "Owen Jacobson" wrote: > On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > (Not everyone is receiving my messages sent via this emergency backup method. Could someone quote this email in a message of their own so that everyone can see it?) > > I become an option in th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3557 judged FALSE

2017-09-14 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 14, 2017 7:44 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: > >> CFJ 2120 states (apparently in accordance with previous precedent which I > >> couldn't find) that, where there is a SHALL without any reasonable mechanism to > >> fulfill it, it implies CAN by announcement. Unfortunately, CFJ 2120 gets preced

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread grok (caleb vines)
king > a rule that defines alphabetical order that way. > > -Aris > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: >> >> On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada" wrote: >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 14, 2017 7:01 PM, "Owen Jacobson" wrote: On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada" wrote: Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist. I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-12 Thread grok (caleb vines)
https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3411 >> >> result: R2125 may need to have better handshakes with external reality >> to handle this sort of thing. >> >> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: >> > How does 869 interact with determin

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-12 Thread grok (caleb vines)
How does 869 interact with determining the gamestate exclusively through public fora anyways? The public fora doesn't have record of whether each registered player is a discrete organism capable of freely originating and communicating independent thoughts and ideas, it just assumes that players are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Test of Confidence

2017-09-11 Thread grok (caleb vines)
nomic is that we discuss and think about ideas, constantly striving for improvement. I'm used to CuddleBeam pulling this kind of thing, but really, grok? I thought you were the one who didn't like all the scams and funny business? -Aris On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:33 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: &

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3555 assigned to grok

2017-09-06 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 6, 2017 9:24 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 18:13 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> I CFJ on the following (using AP if I am a Player) and barring >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: >> >> G. and Cuddlebeam, and no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread grok (caleb vines)
Oops. I didn't read the quote text and thought you were asking me. Sorry for the snark, Aris -grok On Sep 6, 2017 7:28 PM, "grok (caleb vines)" wrote: I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. -grok On Sep 6, 2017 7:27 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: Mine, or ni

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread grok (caleb vines)
I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. -grok On Sep 6, 2017 7:27 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: Mine, or nichdel's? Mine was sent to a-d, and is extremely vague (what exactly is a 'provocation' anyway)? And no, there isn't a time limit, although there is one potential way out of any SHALL a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 6, 2017 7:23 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 17:17 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > Since you lack either empathy or theory of mind and only react to > > personal > > damages: > > > > I pledge to vote AGAINST on all proposals

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Not so cuddly now

2017-09-05 Thread grok (caleb vines)
Sep 5, 2017, at 10:00 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: On Sep 5, 2017 11:57 PM, "Gaelan Steele" wrote: I create the following proposal “Not So Cuddly Now” with AI 1 by Gaelan: { diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora index 4683d3d..962eb2c 100644

DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Not so cuddly now

2017-09-05 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 5, 2017 11:57 PM, "Gaelan Steele" wrote: I create the following proposal “Not So Cuddly Now” with AI 1 by Gaelan: { diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora index 4683d3d..962eb2c 100644 --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora +++ b/rules/How to Jo

Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Fun fact

2017-08-24 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Aug 24, 2017 10:15 PM, "Ørjan Johansen" wrote: On Fri, 25 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: Luckily, your CFJ isn't valid; you can't call a CFJ nowadays without > paying for it. So it hasn't actually been called yet. Also luckily, we > still have some vestiges of the old officer system in which off

Re: DIS: "The Ruleset is our Joystick" Proto Proposal / Proto Proposal Competition

2017-08-24 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I bring up Blognomic a lot tbh but I bring Agora up a lot in Blognomic too. > I strive to improve stuff for both via sharing stuff between them, a bit > like how tea was brought from China to Britain and become super cool stuff > in both place

Re: DIS: CFJ 3529 numbering?

2017-08-01 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Aug 1, 2017 7:10 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 17:00 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Hi ais523, > > CFJ 3529 was assigned to Sprocklem on 20 Jun 2017, and the > same number used for a different CFJ statement assigned to > Quazie on 27 Jun 2017. > > Has this been cleared up (I saw

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-07-30 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Evans wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: >> >> The Weekly Report of July 3 and the Monthly Report of June 30, if not >> earlier. > > > There was no July 3rd report. There was one published [1] on the 2nd

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-07-30 Thread grok (caleb vines)
.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:18 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > CoE grok is a player > > On Jul 30, 2017 9:39 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-07-30 Thread grok (caleb vines)
CoE grok is a player On Jul 30, 2017 9:39 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: Registrar's Weekly Report ---

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJs 3544, 3545 assigned to Aris

2017-07-27 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Ugh, you're right this is exactly what i hope to hear every time i send a message to a-b (Thanks for all the hard work) -grok

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3537 reassigned to o

2017-07-25 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Alex Smith wrote: >> I reassign CFJ 3537 to o. >> >> See below for relevant context. (I apologise for the formatting; it >> seems that our various email clients have been fighting each other >> about it. We used to use

Re: DIS: Proto: Cleanup on Aisle "Agency"

2017-07-24 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jul 24, 2017 7:09 PM, "Quazie" wrote: I am pro the concept, but questioning the Specifics - I think the super should be able to unquestionably kill any agency without a valid director - and then the w/o two objections should only be for invalid agents. I left in w/o two objections for certai

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3544 assigned to grok

2017-07-24 Thread grok (caleb vines)
I would appreciate gratuitous arguments on this CFJ in the coming day or two, especially from PSS regarding eir denial of the initial CoE. -grok On Jul 24, 2017 3:54 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: On Sun, 2017-07-23 at 15:21 -0500, Nic Evans wrote: > On 07/23/2017 03:08 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholas

DIS: Proto: Cleanup on Aisle "Agency"

2017-07-24 Thread grok (caleb vines)
The pending CoE on the Superintendent's report (C♥️U is an agency) raises the issue of Agencies with non-Player directors, and the existence of Agencies after players deregister. I put together this proto last night to solve the issue. { Title: Agency Closures and Cleanup Act AI: 1 Author: grok E

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgment on CFJ 3541

2017-07-24 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jul 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > >> There is some ambiguity of what, exactly, a nickel is. Common >> knowledge tells us it is a metal, but one would rarely refer to an >> amount of nickel as "a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Organization: Agoran Estate Bloc

2017-07-24 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 14:40 -0500, Nic Evans wrote: >>> As will be mentioned below, this charter doesn't stop CEOs from >>> violating SHALLs and so I think the CEO can just refuse to eve

DIS: Re: BUS: Organization: Agoran Estate Bloc

2017-07-24 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > On 07/21/17 10:58, grok (caleb vines) wrote: >> At the beginning of the second week of each month, the acting CEO >> SHALL initiate an AEB Board Election with a voting period of at least >> 4 days and no longer than 7 days

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

2017-07-21 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:53 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > > On Jul 20, 2017 10:02 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 22:52 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> > On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > ib

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jul 20, 2017 10:02 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 22:52 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > ibonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > I pend this for the minimum allowable amount. > > As the proposal’s imminen

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gives a win to everyone and then hopes to be given one too.

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jul 20, 2017 9:19 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I find that a Red Card is appropriate, and hereby issue one to Cuddlebeam by summary judgement. I agree with this carding. CuddleBeam has repeatedly shown that e cares neither about the feeli

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
I got yours, I just didn't wanna say anything because I thought it might be funny -grok On Jul 20, 2017 8:09 PM, "V.J Rada" wrote: I already did this. Did my message not send? On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Re: DIS: Proto: Pledges

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jul 20, 2017 6:16 PM, "V.J Rada" wrote: Also I need to spend my money before it gets blanked for value. Title: Pledges, again. Amend rule whatever "Pledges" by adding at the end {{{ No message shall be construed as a pledge unless it contains the word "pledge". A pledge is "publically made" o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gives a win to everyone and then hopes to be given one too.

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jul 20, 2017 6:07 PM, "V.J Rada" wrote: Oh man there's always nothing better than waking up to 20 new messages and a Cuddlebeam scam. You're a pair of scare quotes short of my perception of the morning. -grok

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gives a win to everyone and then hopes to be given one too.

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Josh T wrote: > I'm on vacation and only have mobile internet at the moment so I can't > check, but does the rule specify that the trust tokens needed to win are to > be issued by other players explicitly or that players can issue trust tokens > and one needs such

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: public private contracts

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > ...I also missed all of those other uses of "Public", sorry. Ctrl+F isn't > useful to browse the ruleset when it's so large and there are so many > references to a single term. grepping through the ruleset is easy if you've read the ruleset.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: public private contracts

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> If that shielding doesn't get in the way, I'm guessing the trick would apply >> to >> "publicly posted (and not withdrawn) support (syn. "consent") for an >> announcement >> of intent to perform

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3541 assigned to grok

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-07-17 at 22:03 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Quazie wrote: >> >> > I pay nichdel a nickel's worth of shinies for taking over as >> > Assessor. >> >> I CFJ on the statement “A nickle’s worth of shinies

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer gives a win to everyone and then hopes to be given one too.

2017-07-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 15:24 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> I'd prefer to spend a CFJ slot be spent but it's not an urgent CFJ at all. >> I'm be up for retracting it if you pledge that you'll resubmit it when the >> CFJ queue is empty enough (and i

Re: DIS: humble agoran farmer doesn't break a pledge

2017-07-18 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:21 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> Ah, oh well. No thoughtcrime then lol (would'be been bizarre but super cool >> though). Just the original loophole then, I assume, because "legal >>

Re: DIS: humble agoran farmer doesn't break a pledge

2017-07-18 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Ah, oh well. No thoughtcrime then lol (would'be been bizarre but super cool > though). Just the original loophole then, I assume, because "legal > consideration" is all it takes to dodge legal consequences. (No flaws in the > "at the moment" ar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Payment

2017-07-17 Thread grok (caleb vines)
The theoretical answer is probably a function of known values, like the price of an estate. For a practical answer, I have an extra loaf in my pantry I'd be willing to mail out... -grok On Jul 17, 2017 9:55 PM, "Owen Jacobson" wrote: Indeed. What’s the price of bread? -o On Jul 17, 2017, at

Re: DIS: Two Related Protos: Judicial Expansion and Criminal Cases

2017-07-14 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > What about a system in which punishment packages were assigned without 3 > objection or with Agoran Consent? The problem I see arising is that a player > breaks the rules harming a second player, but then the game votes do

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] News of Agora

2017-07-10 Thread grok (caleb vines)
t your CoE. The name of the newspaper is clearly News of Agora. >> > Failing that, the name of the newspaper is the first heading, CuddleBeam >> > condemned. This is totally discretionary. Dont question my name, dude. >> > >> > On Monday, July 10, 2017, grok (c

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] News of Agora

2017-07-10 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:29 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > > Title: Vij's hip blog, because that's where people get their news from > man. It's the internet age, man. > i am a fan of this

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] News of Agora

2017-07-10 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 12:43 -0500, grok (caleb vines) wrote: >> For a moment of levity in these trying times: >> >> CoE: The Reportor did not give a suitable name for the newspaper eir >> report. > > Gra

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] News of Agora

2017-07-10 Thread grok (caleb vines)
For a moment of levity in these trying times: CoE: The Reportor did not give a suitable name for the newspaper eir report. Rule 2446: {The Reportor's weekly report includes: 1. A suitable name for a newspaper, at the Reportor's discretion.} I interpret this to mean that the name of the newspaper

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-10 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:42 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > ...I totally understand why it could be be appropriate to card me for trying > the stick-up, but @grok, I don't understand the card part of if I *fail* to > deputize for Surveyor just yet. If the argument is that using a loophole to > try to ge

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: grok, Attorney at Law

2017-07-10 Thread grok (caleb vines)
ul 10, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > "gAL" doesn't exist I believe (Nowhere in the Superintendent report: > https://agoranomic.org/Superintendent/reports/week/next.txt , not in a-b > either aside from here). Perhaps a leftover from editting it? > > On Mon, Jul 10,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-09 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I point my finger at CuddleBeam for violation of Rule 2471. I argue > that air actions were so implausible that e could not reasonably have > believed them, and that at the very least e is absurdly negligent. > Given that this is having a huge

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-09 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Quazie wrote: > I intend to deregister myself without 2 objections - not one of these scams > has even come close to working, and I'm finding it unfun. I certainly hope you don't deregister. You're one of the players that gave me hope enough to come back after this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: yeah sure

2017-07-06 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Quazie wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 09:12 grok (caleb vines) wrote: >> >> back in >> >> >> -grok > > > Welcome back thumbs up emoji clap emoji clap emoji -grok

Re: DIS: testing mailman 3

2017-07-01 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jun 30, 2017 4:00 PM, "omd" wrote (You're not using the Gmail web interface, right?) Gmail's web client actually has the "plain text" button which automatically applies fixed width rules to unformatted text. I've been using it when I send messages from the web client and it's looked a lot ni

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3529 assigned to Sprocklem

2017-06-21 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > (Also relevant, the gratuitous arguments by grok to agora-discussion: > ) ooh, do I need to TTttPF gratuitous arguments into BUS? Since they aren't codified in the rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's been a while.

2017-06-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
to have language specifically stating that only non-players could register (R869/9 and R869/17), but that language has been lost over time.[2] [1]: I concede that, in some contexts, "flip" means "to rotate an object along its horizontal axis." [2]: https://faculty.washington.edu/

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's been a while.

2017-06-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: >> >>"To flip an instance of a switch" is to make it come to have a given value. >> >> makes me believe that a switch can be flipped to any of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's been a while.

2017-06-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
oof, also my apologies for the walls of text. i'm playing with gmail's plain text editor and the input box doesn't automatically line break for me. those paragraphs are...denser than expected. -grok On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:51 AM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's been a while.

2017-06-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > You can not flip a switch to a value that the switch already held or at least > that would make sense. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com I don't see any text in the ruleset th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pointless (has this been tried before?)

2017-06-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I believe that to resolve this we should legislate that all attempts to pay > shinies shall be interpreted as a vector with a certain point in octonion > space and the distance from the origin along the vector to the first

DIS: Re: BUS: It's been a while.

2017-06-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
shit. eir registration. still getting used to spivak. apologies -grok On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 9:14 AM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: >> >> I point my finger at omd for violation of No Faking. >> --

DIS: Re: BUS: It's been a while.

2017-06-20 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > I point my finger at omd for violation of No Faking. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > Question for you. Maybe a proto-CFJ. What part of the ruleset makes it IMPOSSIBLE for

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jun 13, 2017 1:48 PM, "Quazie" wrote: On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 11:22 AM grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > > On Jun 13, 2017 12:52 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > Forgive me if I'm wrong but

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jun 13, 2017 12:52 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > Forgive me if I'm wrong but: since agencies cause the President of the agency to perform > the action, the person doesn't perform the action but rather the President. So

Re: DIS: Interaction between CFJ 1709 and R869

2017-06-13 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Jun 13, 2017 12:32 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: On Tue, 13 Jun 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > We have: [CFJ 1709 (called 26 July 2007): The rules are binding on all those > who play the game in the broader sense, regardless of whether they > have the rule-defined status of "player".] > > And then in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-31 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > And lots of the other things G. mentioned earlier in this thread. >> > > [No distinction between quoted and unquoted parts, whatsoever, in either > version] > &

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-30 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On May 30, 2017 7:39 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of a public defender, but their salary should be paid by > the callers. Agreed. We should have fees for cases (a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-30 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On May 30, 2017 7:07 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:59 PM grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > > On May 30, 2017 6:25 PM, "Quazie" wrote: > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:20 PM Kerim Aydin > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 3

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Judicial Reform

2017-05-30 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On May 30, 2017 6:25 PM, "Quazie" wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:20 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 May 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I'll let ais523 comment on whether the 2-day bit is a bother at all. > > (final?) followup: I still disagree with the wide/narrow judging idea > (both o

Re: DIS: Regarding the dergistrations

2017-05-29 Thread grok (caleb vines)
bonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > > > > > On May 29, 2017, at 5:17 PM, grok (caleb vines) > wrote: > > > > If you have any questions about my deregistration that aren't answered > in my deregistration statement, I'd be happy to answer them. > > > >

Re: DIS: Regarding the dergistrations

2017-05-29 Thread grok (caleb vines)
If you have any questions about my deregistration that aren't answered in my deregistration statement, I'd be happy to answer them. On May 29, 2017 4:08 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: > We have a serious deregistration problem. Two of our experienced players, > and one of our new players have deregi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This isn't what I thought it would be

2017-05-29 Thread grok (caleb vines)
ticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > > > > > On May 29, 2017, at 12:58 PM, grok (caleb vines) > wrote: > > > > I was really excited to play legislative-based, classic nomic style > Agora. That's not what I'm getting. All this psuedo-philosophy

Re: DIS: A Solution to the Issue of Philosophy

2017-05-29 Thread grok (caleb vines)
As long as the discussions of philosophy have implications on the game state, this will never be a functional solution. Also, if my deregistration statement didn't make it clear, the problem is not philosophy on face. On May 29, 2017 4:03 PM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" < p.scribonius.schol

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This isn't what I thought it would be

2017-05-29 Thread grok (caleb vines)
; no matter what's going on. > > FWIW, the contributions I noted from you in your short tenure seemed > quite worthwhile! Hope you might stay tuned to see if it settles > down to more regular gameplay in a month or so... > > On Mon, 29 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > &g

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On May 28, 2017 8:30 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would* work, > that's good enough trophy for me. > "Withdrawing" i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgment on CFJ 3514

2017-05-26 Thread grok (caleb vines)
Welp I tried :( Hopefully you appreciate the cookie recipe more than the formatting! -grok On May 26, 2017 7:31 PM, "Ørjan Johansen" wrote: > On Fri, 26 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > This recipe SHOULD fit in an eighty-character fixed-width line, for all our &

DIS: Re: BUS: I hope i'm wrong

2017-05-26 Thread grok (caleb vines)
Uh. So. I request to not be assigned to this case. -grok On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Quazie wrote: > I CFJ on the following statement "It is possible to assign judgments to > CFJs" > > Evidence: > {{{ > Rule 591/42 (Power=1.7) > Delivering Judgements > > When a CFJ is open

Re: DIS: Proto: Agoran Research Funding/Grants/Scholarship/other term

2017-05-25 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I am already trying to do this some with the Herald and I see no need to > add a new office, so I would be happy to take this up informally to go > along with the Herald. As to the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3509 Judgement (Dismissed, insufficient information)

2017-05-25 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > If you look at Rule 217: >Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, any rule change that >would (1) prevent a person from initiating a formal process to >resolve matters of controversy, in the reasonable expectation >