Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 11:01 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Goethe wrote: >> >>> By the way ais523, what do you think of the other question, on whether >>> "MAY with N Support" in general invokes dependent actions thus turning >>> a MAY into a CAN? >> >> Rule 172

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 11:01 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > Goethe wrote: > > > By the way ais523, what do you think of the other question, on whether > > "MAY with N Support" in general invokes dependent actions thus turning > > a MAY into a CAN? > > Rule 1728 includes this: > > A dependent a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > By the way ais523, what do you think of the other question, on whether > "MAY with N Support" in general invokes dependent actions thus turning > a MAY into a CAN? Rule 1728 includes this: A dependent action CAN be performed non-dependently as otherwise permitted by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 08:11 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> If the only action is "publishing >> certain information" (and any publication of said information is >> automatically such a Notice) that's covered by R101; other rul

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 08:11 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 3 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > > A public message claiming to be a game-defined entity (e.g. a > > distribution of proposals) is not generally that entity, but must > > match the circumstances defined for that entity (e.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > A public message claiming to be a game-defined entity (e.g. a > distribution of proposals) is not generally that entity, but must > match the circumstances defined for that entity (e.g. being sent > by the Promotor). This would be very ni

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 07:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: >>> CFJ 1768 judged that rules 101 and 478 do not prevent Truthfulness >>> working, because lying isn't a method of participating in the fora. >>> Submitting an No

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > R101 says you can publish text. It doesn't say anything about what the > legal effect of doing so can or can't be. For example, you can publish > all the text of a Proposal Distribution, but it's not a Proposal > Distribution unless you're the Promotor. Similarly, R101 says yo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 07:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > > CFJ 1768 judged that rules 101 and 478 do not prevent Truthfulness > > working, because lying isn't a method of participating in the fora. > > Submitting an NoV, however, definitely is. > > Publishing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > CFJ 1768 judged that rules 101 and 478 do not prevent Truthfulness > working, because lying isn't a method of participating in the fora. > Submitting an NoV, however, definitely is. Publishing a text of claiming to be an NoV is participating. Whether or n

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 17:20 -0400, comex wrote: > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: > >> It's possible to publish an NoV by sending it to a public forum, no > >> matter what lower-power rules think on the matter. Rules 101 and 478, > >> both power-3, give us the right of par

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 2 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 22:32 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >> Can someone explain why e doesn't need a lot of support to do this? I >> don't see how the first one is not a "valid, un-closed NoV published >> by the same player earlier that week" as per R2230.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-02 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Aaron Goldfein wrote: > I CFJ on the following sentence. ais523, Murphy, and coppro won the > game on 02 May, 2009. Gratuitous arguments: at the time, I was an active first-class player with no Rests. Pavitra signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-02 Thread comex
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: >> It's possible to publish an NoV by sending it to a public forum, no >> matter what lower-power rules think on the matter. Rules 101 and 478, >> both power-3, give us the right of participation in the fora. And >> publishing NoVs is certainly

DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-02 Thread Aaron Goldfein
> I nominate Yally for CotC. I respectfully decline.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 22:32 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > Can someone explain why e doesn't need a lot of support to do this? I > don't see how the first one is not a "valid, un-closed NoV published > by the same player earlier that week" as per R2230. Though there has > to be something as surely

DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-02 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/5/2 Ed Murphy : > [Summary:  Each active non-scamster gets a bogus Rest, then the > scamsters take turns being the sole active Rest-free player for > Win by Solitude, then the bogus Rests are destroyed.] > > ais523, comex, and coppro have agreed to a private contract allowing > me to act on th

DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 09:39 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > [Summary: Each active non-scamster gets a bogus Rest, then the > scamsters take turns being the sole active Rest-free player for > Win by Solitude, then the bogus Rests are destroyed.] Because scams involving the judicial system are often seen