Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-22 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Logic: 1. Â An Instrument explicitly CANNOT make changes power (R2140); 2. Â Exceptio probat regulam; therefore an instrument generally CAN make changes = power. [Note: I admit it's arguable and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-21 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 15:38 -0500, com...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 19, 2011, at 1:38 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: In fact: I intend (with notice) to set the power of R2324 to 1. You mean, to cause it to set its own power to 1? You didn't warn *me* like that!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, com...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I think this makes a nice trophy but doesn't really accomplish anything. Oh of course it does. It means I have to be very careful about what I say I do in the PF. Proto trophy: Award G. the Patent Title 'First Violin' (AFAIK I'm the first

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-20 Thread omd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, com...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I think this makes a nice trophy but doesn't really accomplish anything. Oh of course it does.  It means I have to be very careful about what I say I do in the PF.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011, omd wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, com...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I think this makes a nice trophy but doesn't really accomplish anything. Oh of course it does.  It means I have to be very

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-20 Thread omd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Logic: 1.  An Instrument explicitly CANNOT make changes power (R2140); 2.  Exceptio probat regulam; therefore an instrument generally CAN make changes = power. [Note: I admit it's arguable and therefore safer to a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-20 Thread omd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: It's a mechanism question, too: CFJ (request linked):  An instrument that generally CAN make announcements generally CAN make changes regulated by rules of equal or lower power, by announcement. Time to update my

DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-19 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 14:21 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I intend, with notice, to cause Rule 2324 to: a) enact a Rule with power-1, title Article V, and the following text: Murphy CAN cause this rule to make arbitrary gamestate changes, except for any amendment of Rule 2223, by

DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-19 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 14:21 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I intend, with notice, to cause Rule 2324 to: a) enact a Rule with power-1, title Article V, and the following text: Murphy CAN cause this rule to make arbitrary gamestate changes, except for any amendment of Rule 2223, by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-19 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
Lest some of us abuse the dictatorship or, better yet, don't pass it on. =P ~ Roujo On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:50 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 14:21 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I intend, with notice, to cause Rule 2324 to:    a) enact a Rule with power-1,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, ais523 wrote: Incidentally, the proposals in question weren't meant to be immune to dictator, according to IRC disccusion; they were just meant to clear the dictatorship out from the ruleset given the apparent inactivity of the dictator. (A classic case of a race

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-19 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 10:28 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, ais523 wrote: especially if the dictatorship is at power 3... By the way, for fun, I pledge not to (on purpose) use power1 on the dictatorship (unless I think of my own escalation that works). In fact: I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-19 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: By the way, I'm pretty sure that the language as is doesn't give me a Junta unless I make other gamestate changes (don't know if that was by design or accidental).  Does anyone think I *do* currently satisfy a Junta

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-19 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 10:24 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: By the way, I'm pretty sure that the language as is doesn't give me a Junta unless I make other gamestate changes (don't know if that was by design or accidental). Does anyone think I *do* currently satisfy a Junta win? The restriction

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-19 Thread comexk
On Jan 19, 2011, at 1:38 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: In fact: I intend (with notice) to set the power of R2324 to 1. You mean, to cause it to set its own power to 1? You didn't warn *me* like that!

DIS: Re: BUS: Popular uprising

2011-01-18 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I submit the following AI-1 proposal Out with the Dictator 1: {{ Repeal Rule 2324. [This is ineffective if the purported escalations worked.] }} I submit the following AI-3 proposal Out with the Dictator 3: {{ Repeal Rule 2324. }}