DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
I think doing karma would take a deeper look at all the SHALLs and SHOULDs to ask which ones should still be illegal versus left to karma - a deeper reform. Mean time, this version isn't that much different than current I'll probably go PRESENT on it. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Karma is bootleg democracy though imo, but I like both (I believe popularity is extremely relevant anyway at nomic in general, regardless of if such a system enables it or not. It's a factor both at Blognomic and Agora at an informal level, and the informal level governs everything else imo.) On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
Actually, the word democratization made me think of another approach, it was called karma, and it worked pretty well most of the time as a nice social constraint and reward with occasioanal spats of tit for tat that were self-limiting, because if the combatants got out of hand, others would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Nic Evans
On 09/10/17 12:41, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both > the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying > to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer > can skirt the technical punishment while

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Proto: White Card: This card is appropriate for cases of unsportsmanlike contact where no other card is appropriate. This card can be (and only be) awarded by announcement which also contains a specification of a number and 3 support. The possessor of this card cannot perform any ruleset-granted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer can skirt the technical punishment while still being just as "bad". Going along with our

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Did you read the entire message? On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 09:43 Cuddle Beam wrote: > Sorry for the double post but I just got another idea: > > What if I made an Agency/Contract that let me be other people's > talking-proxy? If they deliberately lie, they wouldn't be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Sorry for the double post but I just got another idea: What if I made an Agency/Contract that let me be other people's talking-proxy? If they deliberately lie, they wouldn't be infringing "and it was made with the intent to mislead.", because I wouldn't have "made" the message with any intent,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

2017-09-10 Thread Cuddle Beam
Do statements on a-d count? Do statements that people publish elsewhere, outside of Agora, also count? On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following. > > --- > Title: Truthfulness v2

DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: truthfulness

2007-10-28 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: I hereby submit the following proposal, titled truthfulness: {{{ Retitle rule 2149 to Truthfulness, and amend it to read A person SHALL NOT make a false statement in any public message while knowing that the statement is false or being reckless as to its