Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-07-06 Thread Paul Bijnens
On 2007-07-06 04:28, Olivier Nicole wrote: > An idea for the next release of Amanda: > > Add one config parameter that says "use the device povided by the > tape changer" and that default to YES. So it would not break any > existing customized changer script. > > When set to NO, use the d

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-07-05 Thread Olivier Nicole
> > The one thing that is annoying is that on /var/mail an incremental is > > essentially the same as a full. Those mail files (one per account) are > > just like a database file -- add or remove one message and you have to > > back up the whole file. It would be interesting to write a wrapper to d

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-07-05 Thread Dustin J. Mitchell
On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 10:35:21AM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > The one thing that is annoying is that on /var/mail an incremental is > essentially the same as a full. Those mail files (one per account) are > just like a database file -- add or remove one message and you have to > back up the wh

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-07-05 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Dustin J. Mitchell wrote: > Folks -- I looked into this '-o' question, and have some answers for > you. > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 03:44:55PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > >> Jon LaBadie wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:48:59PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: >>> I ch

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-07-04 Thread Dustin J. Mitchell
Folks -- I looked into this '-o' question, and have some answers for you. On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 03:44:55PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > Jon LaBadie wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:48:59PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > >> I checked the documentation & man pages and the documentation of

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-07-02 Thread Olivier Nicole
> I think by tapedev=/no/such/tape Paul meant that literally, or at > > least some string that could not be a legit tape device. Not speaking for Paul, but I guess he did. > >> # find /tmp/amanda -type f | xargs grep '/dev/rmt/0' > >> > >> and got nothing except the alternative "weekend" configur

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-07-02 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Jon LaBadie wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:48:59PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > >>> Paul Bijnens wrote: >>> >>> Instead of making it a different configuration, and running into trouble on which full to base an incrmeental, why don't you run an additional amdump

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-07-02 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:48:59PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > > > Paul Bijnens wrote: > > > >> Instead of making it a different configuration, and running into trouble > >> on which full to base an incrmeental, why don't you run an additional > >> amdump of the normal config in the weekend

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-07-02 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
> Paul Bijnens wrote: > >> Instead of making it a different configuration, and running into trouble >> on which full to base an incrmeental, why don't you run an additional >> amdump of the normal config in the weekend, but which has options to >> override the config: >> >>amdump daily -o r

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-26 Thread Dustin J. Mitchell
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 09:29:52AM +0200, Paul Bijnens wrote: > I'm not 100% certain, but I believe you may even erase (some of) the > holdingdisk files, without flushing. I think that Amanda will take into > account that the holdingdisk file disappeared, and schedule the same > incremental level a

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-26 Thread Paul Bijnens
On 2007-06-25 22:43, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > > Jon LaBadie wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:43:50PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: >> ... >> >>> then I created a dumptype that was the same as my regular dumps but with >>> >>> record no >>> strategy incronly Instead of making it a different

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Olivier Nicole
> I am trying to create backup servers out of the following specs: > P4 3.0Ghz > 1GB RAM > RAID0 - 750GB x 2 (SATA) As it was said by others, RAID 0 may not be the right choice. Virtual tapes and tapespaning allows Amanda to extend a backup across several physical disks, so you don't need RAID 0.

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 04:43:40PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > > > Jon LaBadie wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:43:50PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > > ... > > > >> then I created a dumptype that was the same as my regular dumps but with > >> > >> record no > >> strategy incronly >

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Jon LaBadie wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:43:50PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > ... > >> then I created a dumptype that was the same as my regular dumps but with >> >> record no >> strategy incronly >> >> I thought this would work, because the incremental would be based on >> ufsdump,

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 11:10:21AM -0700, Rudy Setiawan wrote: > ah sorry i pressed the sent button accidentally. > thank you all for the inputs. > > With the number of hosts that I have, > what are the best configuration such as, should I separate each file > for each host or I can dump them into

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Marc Muehlfeld
Rudy Setiawan schrieb: > With the number of hosts that I have, > what are the best configuration such as, should I separate each file for > each host or I can dump them into one huge file? Amanda backup every DLE into a single file, except you specify tape_splitsize. This could be usefull, if your

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Rudy Setiawan
ah sorry i pressed the sent button accidentally. thank you all for the inputs. With the number of hosts that I have, what are the best configuration such as, should I separate each file for each host or I can dump them into one huge file? Will it make a difference in the speed of either backup,re

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Rudy Setiawan
I apologize that I didnt address my question correctly. On 6/25/07, Olivier Nicole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just taking into consideration of compression effect? In fact compression depends on your data, do you know how much they compress? Full/incr depends on your data, how your disks ar

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:43:50PM -0400, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: ... > > then I created a dumptype that was the same as my regular dumps but with > > record no > strategy incronly > > I thought this would work, because the incremental would be based on > ufsdump, and it would know there had been

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Charlie Reitsma wrote: > The initial backup is going to be all level 0. After that the planner > is going to try for a balanced mix of fulls and incrementals. Ok, I'm hijacking a thread. Sorry about that. But, really, it does fit in. I just tried something this weekend, and the above comment ma

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Charlie Reitsma
In addition to doing everything to make sure a backup disk failure does not destroy all your backups you need to take into consideration the length of your cycle. My experience so far has been with tape and I am just beginning in the disk-to-disk with virtual tape. How long before Amanda ca

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Marc Muehlfeld
Cyrille Bollu schrieb: RAID0 - 750GB x 2 (SATA) Sure you want to do a backup to a Raid0? When one disk crash, you ll loos the data. Here I use a Raid6 Array out of 15 320 GB Sata2 disks + 1 hotspare. So 4 disks can fail until i lose data. Having a recoverable backup is the most important thing

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 11:43:26PM -0700, Rudy Setiawan enlightened us: > I am trying to create backup servers out of the following specs: > P4 3.0Ghz > 1GB RAM > RAID0 - 750GB x 2 (SATA) > > Hosts to backup: about 20 hosts with roughly 100GB each host. > > What will be the complications and the

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Rudy Setiawan
Yes I do understand that and I didnt mention the number of backup servers. Is it a recommendation of 1.5TB (raid-0 750x2) to backup the maximum of 10 to 12 hosts? or will that be too much of a backup server to do all the 10-12 hosts at once (including incremental and full)? Should it be recommend

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Cyrille Bollu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit sur 25/06/2007 08:49:59 : > > RAID0 - 750GB x 2 (SATA) > > > > Hosts to backup: about 20 hosts with roughly 100GB each host. > > So you have 20*100= 2TB to backup on 750GB In RAID0 750GB x 2 = 1,5TB But still that isn't enough. I would suggest you to buy something tha

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Olivier Nicole
> > RAID0 - 750GB x 2 (SATA) > > > > Hosts to backup: about 20 hosts with roughly 100GB each host. > > So you have 20*100= 2TB to backup on 750GB My mistake, you have 1.5 TG of backup space. > > What will be the complications and the limitations? > > Limitation is clear, you deon't have enough

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-25 Thread Olivier Nicole
> Just taking into consideration of compression effect? In fact compression depends on your data, do you know how much they compress? Full/incr depends on your data, how your disks are full, how much data you need to do incr every day? Try to use the reverse approach: what data you cannot afford

Re: suggestion for a disk-to-disk backup server

2007-06-24 Thread Olivier Nicole
> RAID0 - 750GB x 2 (SATA) > > Hosts to backup: about 20 hosts with roughly 100GB each host. So you have 20*100= 2TB to backup on 750GB > What will be the complications and the limitations? Limitation is clear, you deon't have enough backup space. > And also what are the recommendations? Incre