Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-19 Thread peter markavage
Since Don mentioned the AM Forum, I would encourage those that have not visited lately to come take a look. The forum now has over 800 members; is more feature rich (you can post pictures, files from your PC, colors, fonts, animation, etc.) and lots of great info gets posted. Simple to join and ton

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-19 Thread Donald Chester
SSB was devleoped by AT&T in the 20's for use on the Trans Atlantic cable. No, it was used on longwave. The early transatlantic cable had so much capacitance that it could only be used for telegraphy, and at extremely slow speed. I don't think transatlantic voice cables were developed un

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-19 Thread Donald Chester
H - I thought SSB was developed by the telephone companies or the military back in the 1930s, rather than by AM ham ops. Maybe I was given wrong information. Actually it was before 1920, for transatlantic communication on longwave. To get any kind of efficency at all out of the antenn

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-19 Thread Donald Chester
Having only been active on AM mode for just two short years, I consider myself to still be a newbie, still not understanding the zeal and fervor by some in the amateur community to eliminate or totally outlaw the use of AM mode transmissions in the MF/HF amateur bands in the USA. Could someone

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-19 Thread Geoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Sep 2005 at 22:22, Geoff wrote: and BJ/WB5PKD (and his pretty wife Evelyn). "I think I need another, just for self-defence" 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR WIFE??? Oh, good lord, no... Although, I'm not sure who's got more Ex's... K5SWK, or WA5BXO

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-19 Thread bcarling
On 18 Sep 2005 at 22:22, Geoff wrote: > and BJ/WB5PKD (and his > pretty wife Evelyn). > "I think I need another, just for self-defence" > 73 = Best Regards, > -Geoff/W5OMR WIFE???

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread Geoff
John Coleman ARS WA5BXO wrote: I am very fortunate to have the support of my wife in these ham radio things. She used to like to travel with me to meet the other people but now days all we have time for is rearing kids and doing scout activities. That's not a bad thing, but we do look forward

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread Mark Cobbeldick [KB4CVN]
Yes Charlie, Yep. Shields up! I was one of those geeky guys who rode a bicycle and had to put up with all the garbage from the jocks in cars with all the remarks. In time, I learned to overcome the problems caused by this bunch. (Gaining a 5th degree black belt in Judo and being able to bench

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread John Coleman ARS WA5BXO
A5BXO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Macklin Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:54 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands. Brian comments: "H - I thought SSB was develo

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread peter markavage
aveling to meet others in > the > future. > > John, WA5BXO > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Harmon > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:08 PM > To: 'Discussion of AM Radio' > Subject: RE: [

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread peter markavage
Depends on who's making the statement. If you read this on the QRZ or similar type forum, I would ignore it. And, if I remember correctly, the person you quoted is generally clueless and normally an antagonist. All the major manufacturers now include the AM mode in their rigs. Even the ARRL WAS awa

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread Bob Macklin
Brian comments: "H - I thought SSB was developed by the telephone companies or the military back in the 1930s, rather than by AM ham ops. Maybe I was given wrong information." SSB was devleoped by AT&T in the 20's for use on the Trans Atlantic cable. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa.

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread John Coleman ARS WA5BXO
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:32 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands. H - I thought SSB was developed by the telephone companies or the military back in the 1930s, rather than by

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread crawfish
Western Electric developed it for use on phone lines in 1915. It was not used very much until 1947 on the ham bands until W6QYT and the group at Stanford began using it on 75m. There was mention of ham use of SSB in 1933, but it took W6QYT to spearhead the thing. Of course, Collins pushing the use

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread Dave Harmon
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of AM Radio' Subject: RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands. Yes, it's true to some extent, for some it may be a hobby as you described but for a lot of us it is some thing that we look forward to spending a lot of ti

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread John Coleman ARS WA5BXO
iscussion of AM Radio' Subject: RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands. As bad as any of the mentioned groups are on AM ...and in fact amateur radio in general is the increasing difficulty of putting up a HF antenna. ANY HF antenna. I am going through a lot of trouble to

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread bcarling
On 18 Sep 2005 at 19:08, Dave Harmon wrote: > .a hobby is something you do if you are totally bored > and have absolutely nothing else to do. For a lot of us the hobby is a way of finding relaxation in a stressed out busy world. We retreat to the comfort of the shack for a warm conversation, or

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread bcarling
gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Bruhns > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:39 PM > To: Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur > bands. > > It's because a lot of people in authority are > control freak

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread kenw2dtc
Dave Harmon said: "One more thing.a hobby is something you do if you are totally bored and have absolutely nothing else to do." I couldn't disagree more. I think a hobby is so much fun that you would rather do the hobby than work or do other things. I'm glad I'm retired so I can have m

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread k0ng
Mark: Yet another opinion... Some of these AM haters are very much like the big car drivers in high school who would haul around a gaggle of guys who would laugh at a practical good mileage car and make fun of the operator. Same mentalitydumb and dummmber. (no.. I couldnt afford a car). Also,

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread Dave Harmon
hn Coleman ARS WA5BXO Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:22 PM To: 'Discussion of AM Radio' Subject: RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands. Yes, AMers are mavericks but I feel that the ones that did not go to SSB (100%) back in the 60s and 70s, are the o

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread k0ng
Good one Dave ! I like some of the wideband sound but without a compandor or a carrier, it just aint the same nor will it ever be AM. AM is AM. 73 DE Charlie, K0NG. Quoting Dave Harmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Probably because they want more spectrum to run their wideband SSB rigs > that they thin

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread John Coleman ARS WA5BXO
Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands. It's because a lot of people in authority are control freaks. Control was the reason they went after authority in the first place, and they consider it to be the proper reward for their work. AMers ha

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread Byron Lichtenwalner
Bob >From: "Bob Bruhns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Discussion of AM Radio" < I like your comment about SWL'ers. I remember well listining to the AM'ers on the high end of 75 stiring my inquisitive nature and interest to "wanting to do that". I know that old Philco didn't have a BFO, so I would hav

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread Bob Bruhns
It's because a lot of people in authority are control freaks. Control was the reason they went after authority in the first place, and they consider it to be the proper reward for their work. AMers have long been mavericks, often behaving a bit wildly and holding unusual opinions, and above all b

Re: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread W2AGN
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SSB is a orm of amplitude modulation. I think a large threat comes both from SSB and from the DIGITAL ops running certain modes. The majority of the digital ops are a good bunch and they respect the phone and AM mode phone ops. However, some of the proponents of PACK

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread bcarling
SSB is a orm of amplitude modulation. I think a large threat comes both from SSB and from the DIGITAL ops running certain modes. The majority of the digital ops are a good bunch and they respect the phone and AM mode phone ops. However, some of the proponents of PACKET on HF are very well conne

RE: [AMRadio] The zeal to eliminate AM mode on the amateur bands.

2005-09-18 Thread Dave Harmon
Probably because they want more spectrum to run their wideband SSB rigs that they think sounds as good as AM. Regards Dave Harmon NSRCA 586 K6XYZ[at]valornet[dot]com Broken Arrow, Ok. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Cobbeldick [KB4CV